GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Blindgreed1]

Guns are meant to kill living things.

Cars, tractors, toasters, bicycles are not.

Even today, most people don't get it.

Tractors are meant to kill living things too, unless you don't consider plants "living things."

#plantlivesmatter

[F.U.]

Guns are meant to kill living things.

Cars, tractors, toasters, bicycles are not.

Even today, most people don't get it.

Tractors are meant to kill living things too, unless you don't consider plants "living things."

#plantlivesmatter

[SIXFOOTERsez]

There are plenty of kids that when driving tractors or lawn mowers have "accidents" I don't consider driving while texting and getting into an accident an accident. I would call it negligence. Same with guns, the guy had an itch and he scratched it with a gun in his hand, it fired and ricocheted off the ceiling and hit the child. That was a case of not paying attention and letting down his guard. A stupid move.

That was a "Stupid" not an accident
There is a lot of that out there too

[Maggot]

Earnest Hemmingway agrees

[HairOfTheDog]

And again...........it doesn't matter if you tell them about gun safety or how many times you instruct them not to touch the gun, they're toddlers with toddlers' brains.


^Gavin Michael Stiles, RIP, was the 3-year old son of Steamboat Springs police officer Michael R. Stiles and his wife, Joni.

In a news release, the Sheriff’s Office said dispatchers received a call at 8:36 a.m. indicating that the boy had shot himself and that he was being transported to the hospital. Little Gavin was pronounced dead at 11:04 a.m.

“I think it’s really sad,” said Steamboat Springs resident Jodie Clementson. “And it’s scary with all the gun stuff that’s been going on, that a 3-year old was able to get ahold of the gun, and obviously it was loaded, so it’s really tragic.”

Steamboat Police Chief Cory Christensen wasn’t available to comment on camera today, but he told the local newspaper, Steamboat Today, “It’s a tragedy in our family, and we’re focusing on the welfare of our employee and his family.”

Authorities aren’t saying yet whether the gun used was a department issued weapon or a private gun. Nor are they saying where the gun was, or who else was home when the shooting occurred.

It’s not known yet whether any charges will be filed. The Routt County Sheriff’s Office and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation are currently conducting a death investigation.

Ref: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/mou...ls-himself

[Duchess]

I'll howl like a dog if any of them refer to this as an unfortunate accident. So sick of hearing that lame excuse.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'll howl like a dog if any of them refer to this as an unfortunate accident. So sick of hearing that lame excuse.

Get to howlin'!

'Some of you know that Joni and Mike lost three-year-old Gavin yesterday in an accident. It was completely unexpected and they are still reeling with understandable shock. There was no life insurance policy because no one plans to lose a sweet baby so soon,' the administrator of a GoFundMe page wrote.

(It bugs the shit outta me when these are written off as "accidents" too.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4Eg5W6u8o

[Duchess]

*howls*

I have no sympathy for the parents. None. It's their fault their child is dead.

[Duchess]

CNN is reporting that 3 LEO may be dead after a shooting in Baton Rouge. I don't really have any details other than that, apparently this just happened.

[HairOfTheDog]

CNN is reporting that 3 LEO may be dead after a shooting in Baton Rouge. I don't really have any details other than that, apparently this just happened.

Based on preliminary information, police believe that there are multiple suspects (one of whom is dead and the others are on the loose). I posted a bit about it in the Officer Down thread too; all information is preliminary and subject to change. http://mockforums.net/showthread.php?tid...#pid433833

[Duchess]

It's happened again, more police officers killed in cold blood. Many of the reports are saying they were ambushed. More & more I feel like the whole world has gone mad.

[Midwest Spy]

It's happened again, more police officers killed in cold blood. Many of the reports are saying they were ambushed. More & more I feel like the whole world has gone mad.

Sure seems everybody has a gun too.

[HairOfTheDog]

It's happened again, more police officers killed in cold blood. Many of the reports are saying they were ambushed. More & more I feel like the whole world has gone mad.

Sure seems everybody has a gun too.

Now it's being reported that the killer was a lone gunman, 29-year-old Gavin Eugene Long from Missouri. Today is Long's birthday, and deathday.

That asshole Steve Loomis from the Cleveland Police Union (the one who lied and disparaged a 12-year-old who was wrongly approached by police and shot to death with a toy gun in the park) is asking for open carry to be suspended at the Republican convention next week. This time though, I think Loomis' intentions are good and sincere.

People are being shot to death and labeled violent suspects by police due only to "the presence of a gun", even in open carry areas and with permits. And, police are being shot to death in open carry spaces as well. I don't want to see more gun violence by or against anyone at the convention either.

How do gun enthusiasts feel about it? It's not a federal constitutional right to be able to open carry in public spaces, but it's part of some states' (like Ohio's) constitutions. Would it be a 'slippery slope' to ban open carry for a while, or would it be a wise move to better ensure public safety?

[HairOfTheDog]

Snip:
“We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN. “They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over.”

State law in Ohio allows for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small “secure zone” inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city — including within its 1.7 square mile regulated “event zone” — any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.

Kasich, responding to the request, said: “Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested.”

“The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt — as we’re doing in Ohio — so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal,” he said.

Loomis also said officers here would begin ramping up inspections and oversight over anyone who is holstering a weapon entering the downtown area, where the Republican convention is scheduled to begin on Monday.

“We are going to be looking very, very hard at anyone who has an open carry,” he said. “An AR-15, a shotgun, multiple handguns. It’s irresponsible of those folks — especially right now — to be coming downtown with open carry AR’s or anything else. I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not. We are constitutional law enforcement, we love the Constitution, support it and defend it, but you can’t go into a crowded theater and scream fire. And that’s exactly what they’re doing by bringing those guns down there.”

http://ktla.com/2016/07/17/cleveland-pol...ad-of-rnc/

[Duchess]

I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over.”

I've already seen a guy out there walking around with an AR 15 hanging from his shoulder. It's bullshit. Why would anyone want to be around someone who has already shown such poor judgement with their weapon. Fricken hick.

[Maggot]

There will be more black on cop shootings, it not only puts racial tension in the forefront but it also starts the gun debate again, who said Obama was stupid. Let the niggas do the dirty work.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think Obama is stupid. I do think it's stupid to suggest that Obama is behind a covert operation whereby he stokes racial tensions so that deranged black individuals with military experience/training will kill cops (white, black, Hispanic) and afford him another opportunity to address gun control.

Steve Loomis, a bald, big-mouthed, gun-loving, white dude is the one calling for a temporary gun ban at the Republican convention and possibly beyond. Are you calling that asshole a nigga, Maggot? Are you calling all the men, the majority of whom are white, who've shot and killed police officers during Obama's administration his puppet niggas too?

Today's sniper was indeed black. He was also a gun-loving conspiracy theorist who didn't trust the government and was a Marine veteran with military training.

At least six good guys with a gun couldn't stop him. Just like hundreds of good guys with a gun couldn't stop the military-trained Dallas sniper.

So....the number of police officers is going to increase and they will be using more military equipment and weapons as a result of the recent ambushes by two black military vets, I imagine. That's not a win for people like me who support police but also believe that there are too many cops who are paranoid and quick to use deadly force as it is. I doubt Obama would consider it a win either. But, I understand why it's necessary for police safety.

And, while I don't like the idea of ramping up police power even further, it would be just as stupid of me to suggest that it's the result of a bunch of white police chiefs engaged in a covert operation whereby they stoke racial tensions and killings by and against cops in order to push closer to their militaristic policing goals.

[Donovan]

I understand the anger the blacks are feeling but it's stupid what they're doing. It only adds fuel to the racist fire. See Maggots garbage post above. I also think it's a tremendous irony that open-carry Ohio has decided that with such an obvious scaremongering blowhard like Trump in town maybe a million good guys with guns ain't the safest idea in the world lol. Of course, HotD was nice enough to point out that both attackers, today and in Dallas, were trained military. Good guys with guns. So, did we remember to thank them for their service before we killed them?

(Tongue in cheek of course, nothing is funny about open season on American citizens, whether it's cops or black people. But at some point we must take some responsibility for the monsters we create.)

[Duchess]

a gun-loving conspiracy theorist who didn't trust the government

Mocker, dat u?

[Duchess]

Only in America - there are events where guns are allowed and tennis balls are banned.