GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Some conspiracy theories are talking about the possibility of multiple shooters but I haven't seen any evidence to substantiate that. Furthermore, their reasoning is that the additional shooters are the terrorists, thereby brining clarity to the motive.

I have been reading some of that BS since Monday. They claim that there was a shooter on the 4^th floor, ok, but those had to be some magic bullets to fire through intact windows. They were based on that bumbass cabbies video, I saw it too and it was clear to me they were reflections, not muzzle flash.
Some woman yesterday claiming to have video of another shooter at another hotel, I doubt it

Cudos to the hotel security guy, he may have been the definitive reason the guy stopped shooting at the crown, I had wondered about that. The jammed guns kind of put the BS call to the clowns claiming an untrained 64 yr old accountant could not possibly have done all that shooting. The guns jammed presumably because he was running them near full auto full time or near so.
The Sherriff is looking pretty wrung out, can't blame him, what a job.
Here is the time line:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-veg...&ocid=iehp

Las Vegas sheriff Joseph Lombardo broke down the timeline of the 75 chaotic minutes Sunday night between when shots first rang out and when police found gunman Stephen Paddock dead in his hotel room 32^nd floor of the Mandalay Bay.

The first shots were fired at 10:05 p.m., Lombardo said at a Wednesday evening press update. The shooting continued for 10 minutes, until 10:15 p.m. Fifty-eight people were killed in the shooting, and 489 injured, Lombardo said.

The first officers arrived on the 31^st floor -- one floor below where Paddock was firing -- at 10:12 p.m. Officers arrived at the 32^nd floor at 10:17 p.m. Lombardo said it was "phenomenal" they reached the 32^nd floor within 12 minutes of when shots rang out.

One minute later, a security officer told Las Vegas police officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the shooter.
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Between 10:26 p.m. and 10:30 p.m., eight additional officers arrived on the 32^nd floor and moved systematically through the hallway, clearing the rooms and looking for any more injured.

At 10:55 p.m., eight officers arrived in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the Paddock's room. They saw the room service cart, which Lombardo said it was apparent there were cameras.

The officers spent the next 30 minutes formulating a plan to enter Paddock's room. The was "purposeful and no shots were being heard at this point," Lombardo said.

At 11:20 p.m., officers first breached Paddock's room. They observed the suspect on the ground and noticed a second door they could not access. At 11:27 p.m., the second breach was set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in their rooms and announced that information over the radio.

[HairOfTheDog]

Some conspiracy theories are talking about the possibility of multiple shooters but I haven't seen any evidence to substantiate that. Furthermore, their reasoning is that the additional shooters are the terrorists, thereby brining clarity to the motive.

The sheriff's words and demeanor at last night's press conference probably reinforced those views.

He now says that he believes Paddock had to have help to pull it off, or else Paddock was some kind of 'super hero, no, super yahoo'.

I can see one very organized man with financial means pulling this off, based on what the public knows now.

But, it was odd to me when the sheriff said last night that they didn't know if anyone visited Paddock in his room. There is little better surveillance than in Las Vegas. One of the first things LE would/should normally do is check the footage of Paddock's room. Strange that LE wouldn't have reviewed that by now.

Very informative but very weird showing by the sheriff last night.

[HairOfTheDog]

Correction: I thought the sheriff said the injury count had reduced down to 429, but it's officially 489, so it's 38 less than previously stated (not 100 less, as I mistakenly posted).

Confirmation: It's been confirmed since the press conference that the security guard who is now being credited for stopping the shooting and his bravery while injured was unarmed. Last night, the sheriff said he didn't know if the guard was armed or not. The security guard's name is Jesus Campos - I'm glad he was on the job that night.

[Midwest Spy]

The holes in two different windows that far apart could lead me to believe that there could have been a second shooter.

I mean, the guy's 64 and to imagine him sprinting from window to window in the dark lugging these rifles around.

Now, lets really reach...

What if the injured security guard is actually the second shooter?

This would explain why they only shot for 11 minutes.

I mean, clearly thousands more shots could've been fired, but the shots stopped for some reason.

Authorities also said there were clear indications that Braddock planned to escape.

Maybe to the Phillipines, where he had just wired $100K?

But, what if the security guard actually murdered him and then staged his injury?

Security guard shoots holes through the door then grazes himself, then leads cops to the shooters location.

Maybe evidence of this is coming to light and this is why the sheriff appears so frazzled?

[HairOfTheDog]

Cudos to the hotel security guy, he may have been the definitive reason the guy stopped shooting at the crown, I had wondered about that. The jammed guns kind of put the BS call to the clowns claiming an untrained 64 yr old accountant could not possibly have done all that shooting. The guns jammed presumably because he was running them near full auto full time or near so.

That's where I'm at now too Six. It's not difficult for me to believe that one man could acquire all of that ammo, the bump stocks, and the firearms without an accomplice and do the shooting himself. Anyway, there's no indication that any of that was illegally procured, so no flags were raised.

I'm a little confused about the 'explosive material' found in Paddock's car and residences. Last night, the sheriff said that 50 pounds of Tannerite were found in Paddock’s car as well as 1,600 rounds of ammunition. Tannerite is used to make exploding targets for firearms practice and can also be used to make explosive devices. It was previously reported that ammonium nitrate, which can be used to make explosives were found in the car.

Anyway, If Paddock did have help, I hope the accomplice(s) are found quickly, but I'm not assuming there had to be accomplices based on what we know now. Here's the layout of the room and its contents when LE entered. https://latimes-graphics-media.s3.amazon...-blog-.png

Paddock purchased 30 of his firearms in October 2016. The sheriff confirmed that investigators are trying to determine if there was something that happened in Paddock's life at that time that could have triggered him.

Were you surprised that the sheriff said surveillance video of Paddock's room hadn't been viewed yet? I'm really curious about that. I know LE has had A LOT to do, but it surprises me if that wasn't done immediately.

[HairOfTheDog]

Now, lets really reach...

What if the injured security guard is actually the second shooter?

This would explain why they only shot for 11 minutes.

I mean, clearly thousands more shots could've been fired, but the shots stopped for some reason.

That's reaching way too far to be taken seriously, in my opinion.

Campos, the unarmed security guard who approached the room alone, was shot. He radioed for assistance and gave authorities the exact room number, then kept working while injured until forced to get medical help. This has been confirmed by LE.

LE has interviewed him and acknowledged his key role in stopping the shooting. The shots stopped because the security guard and then police (one minute later) located Paddock's room and Paddock knew it, according to the sheriff.

I don't see the point in positing an unarmed security guard as a suspect when everything points to him instead being a very good person who went above and beyond to help police and save lives.

[sally]

Good thing MS is not on the case, he'd have poor Jesus on death row.

[HairOfTheDog]

That's true.

MS, of all people, seems like he's itching to crucify Jesus.......... even though Jesus's presence helped save the huddled masses, by all accounts.

Shameful MS. Just shameful.

[Midwest Spy]

That's true.

MS, of all people, seems like he's itching to crucify Jesus.......... even though Jesus's presence helped save the huddled masses, by all accounts.

Shameful MS. Just shameful.

I'm not so sure.

LE reached the 32^nd floor and then Jesus miraculously (like that?) appeared and then led them to the shooter.

So, he had been there and was shot (but not critically, conveniently for him) and stayed until being told to leave and get medical attention.

To me, that's a particularly nice touch, not too eager to get out of there, essentially solidifying his Oscar-worthy performance of removing any suspicion from him.

The grazed gunfire alibi has been used for decades in many crimes, in reality he's done it to himself.

And if Sally and HotD aren't buying this idea, he will get away scot-free.

[HairOfTheDog]

Man, I sure hope you're kidding MS.

All of that is pure conspiracy theory nuttiness based on no facts or even circumstantial evidence -- just something you fathomed in your head.

There is likely, however, plenty of evidence to negate your attempted persecution of Jesus. There are surveillance videos all over casinos, which would capture some or all of the following: Jesus working his job when the shooting was going down, Jesus responding when he got the call from a hotel guest about shots being fired from a room in the vicinity, Jesus being shot through the hotel door, Jesus clearing guests of their rooms, etc.

Too bad he wasn't inconveniently killed in the process -- that would really bolster your baseless theory.

[Maggot]

Its a good thing he filmed himself. I want to see the movies and how he acted doing the despicable deed.

[HairOfTheDog]

All of the fatal victims of the Las Vegas mass shooting have now been positively identified.

There are bios for all of them and pictures for most in the link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-s...test-list/



Rest in Peace.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Not all that surprised that all the videos have either not been reviewed or at least the Sherriff may not have the info (FBI maybe) As you said there is a LOT to get done. As to the explosives, whats confusing? Did they not reiterate the Am Nitrate?
The guard dodged a bullet, literally 200 of them, LuckyMF to only have 1 small leak. I wonder if they will be able to nail it down when the asshole offed himself?
Miraculous how fast they got to him, supposedly he had an escape plan, guess he gave it up when the cops showed up on both exit routs.

Edit: I see he did not put the ammonium nitrate back in, Mis-Identified material or just a slip of the lip?

[Duchess]

I mean, the guy's 64 and to imagine him sprinting from window to window in the dark lugging these rifles around.

I know a lot of horsemen in that age group and they move around as well as guys half their age so if I'm on your jury I would find that irrelevant.

[HairOfTheDog]

Edit: I see he did not put the ammonium nitrate back in, Mis-Identified material or just a slip of the lip?

Yeah, that's what confused me. Did LE find both kinds of explosives or did the sheriff revise the description of what was found?

Of the explosives found in Paddock's car, authorities first said they found several pounds of ammonium nitrate and they alluded it was for bomb-making. The sheriff later said LE found 50 pounds of Tannerite in the car -- a brand-name product that's marketed as explosive rifle targets.

Ah well, it'll probably get clarified.

P.S. I think LE has seen the surveillance in and around Paddock's room, but they're holding that back for some reason (unless Paddock was somehow able to obstruct the cameras). But you might be right that they really hadn't gotten around to it as of last night.

[Midwest Spy]

I mean, the guy's 64 and to imagine him sprinting from window to window in the dark lugging these rifles around.

I know a lot of horsemen in that age group and they move around as well as guys half their age so if I'm on your jury I would find that irrelevant.

Does this guy strike you as equivalent to a horseman?

[sally]

Well he doesn't look like a crippled old man either and I'm sure his adrenalin was pumping.

[Duchess]

Does this guy strike you as equivalent to a horseman?

I don't know, doll, I don't know enough about him. Most of my information is coming from Mock. I don't know what this guy has ever done except for murdering a bunch of people.

[Midwest Spy]

he doesn't look like a crippled old man and I'm sure his adrenalin was pumping.

We aren't talking about your husband preparing to mount you, are we?

[Duchess]