GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I never said Anything about a govt attack on the second
I believe the people I accused of an attack it "The Left"
Well there it is. Thats what an attack looks like
Bunch of upset people go and demand to limit the constitutional rights of Millions of people rather than look at and do something about the obvious problem, Security
This was as I stated, before the bodies were in the ground, How well thought out do you think that bill they proposed was?

[HairOfTheDog]

None of what you posted is an attack on the Second Amendment, Six. It's an example of people exercising their First Amendment rights in regards to regulation of gun purchases and ownership.

The fact that you, Maggot, and some other gun owners are threatened, offended or upset by the young survivors' passion and opinions doesn't change the fact that Second Amendment guarantees you a right to bear arms, with regulations. And, it doesn't change the fact that others have a guaranteed First Amendment right to push for regulations they believe will keep themselves and others safer.

You can ignore the 'well-regulated' stipulation in the Amendment, and the Supreme Court's ruling that gun ownership is 'not without restrictions', but they're facts. The Supreme Court has confirmed that you have a right to own firearms for self-protection, which isn't being contested by these survivors or the government or the vast majority of the U.S. population. The Supreme Court has also ruled in favor of states choosing to ban certain firearms every time gun owners have appealed a lower court ruling.

Anyway, the students and teachers who are pushing for more gun restrictions after experiencing a mass murder are well within their rights. They're not all in agreement as to what restrictions should be enacted and in what order or priority, but they all want change and they're working together to make it happen. They don't want to die at school and don't want other students and teachers to die at school.

The fact that you and others label them all "lefties who are attacking the Second Amendment" and worse, says way more about you than them, in my opinion.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I never said they do not have the right to do what they are saying and doing, I am fine with that. I will also exercise my to protest the changes they want to make.
There are changes that need to make, I have never been against that.
What I do object to is the lefts immediate zeal to restrict my rights based on the falsehood that it will fix something.
In this particular case every police agency in the state of florida fucked up
This kids parents fucked up
The school board fucked up
The parents fucked up

So they want all us gun owners rights restricted.
Did you notice they went to the capitol to get them to ban some kinds of guns. but nothing to stop crazy people from getting them?
They didn't go ask for more or better school security
They didn't ask to raise the age to 21

They were to demand a ban

That my dear is an attack, pure and simple whether you and Duchess want to see it that way or not

[Maggot]

I do not believe a 'vast" majority of teachers are against better security and having qualified teachers armed. The way this is being ruled out is by assuming that teachers are Barney Fifes and Nervous Nellie's. I would give teachers more ability than that. plenty are ex military and ex police as was the coach in parkland. portraying them as bumbling fools with a gun is a disservice to them. But that is what is out there now. action is required and better security in schools would be an almost immediate solution. much faster than any legislature. But for some reason people do not want "that" solution. There is something else they want hmmmmmmm I wonder what that could be.

[Maggot]

I never said they do not have the right to do what they are saying and doing, I am fine with that. I will also exercise my to protest the changes they want to make.
There are changes that need to make, I have never been against that.
What I do object to is the lefts immediate zeal to restrict my rights based on the falsehood that it will fix something.
In this particular case every police agency in the state of florida fucked up
This kids parents fucked up
The school board fucked up
The parents fucked up

So they want all us gun owners rights restricted.
Did you notice they went to the capitol to get them to ban some kinds of guns. but nothing to stop crazy people from getting them?
They didn't go ask for more or better school security
They didn't ask to raise the age to 21

They were to demand a ban

That my dear is an attack, pure and simple whether you and Duchess want to see it that way or not

There are a few stories out that some of the kids were given questions by CNN to ask when they were called. Some told people about it and they were not allowed in. Great shades of Donna Brazile! Say its not so CNN. a network with such great credentials would certainly never do that!

[HairOfTheDog]

It's not an issue of my eyes or Duchess' eyes seeing anything other than the facts, Six.

Again, the examples you pasted are not examples of attacks on the Second Amendment. Insisting that they are because you feel threatened by 'slippery slope' or whatever is one of the main reasons that discussions and exchanges in regards to guns always turn into pissing matches and political stalemates.

What you're talking about last week in Florida was simply a floor vote on whether or not to just discuss a ban on certain arms. The Florida legislature voted not to even have the discussion days after a mass murder of children, and the student and teacher survivors reacted passionately.

Some of the students and teachers are demanding a ban on AR15s and high capacity magazines. If either of those bans were to go into effect, it wouldn't be an attack or violation of your Second Amendment rights; you would still have the right to bear arms for self-defense (which is not unlimited and does not extend to every kind of gun and ammo imaginable, per the Supreme Court).

I've been listening to everyone who's weighing in, from all sides. One of the speakers at the Town Hall was the mother of a 14-year-old girl who was killed in latest school mass shooting. She was painfully distraught and passionate. Her major beef was why the school wasn't built better, wasn't more secure, didn't follow some of the recommendations from the NRA regarding shielding schools following Sandy Hook.

Other survivors and victims in the crowd focused on the need for higher age limits, better background checks, and getting the NRA out of politics.

[Duchess]

It's not an issue of my eyes or Duchess' eyes seeing anything other than the facts, Six.

That's ALL I've been looking at are the facts.

Also, the SCOTUS says owning an AR-15 is not covered under the 2^nd amendment. Every one of us has the right to bear arms, that's not what the discussion is.

[Duchess]

speeches by NRA reps Dana Loesch and Wayne La Pierre at CPAC this morning.

I saw some of it. They all sound like lunatics!

trump is speaking before them now. He told them that if he can't build a strong military that one day they won't be allowed into CPAC and they probably won't even be able to have their houses anymore. Ahahaha! The crowd is eatin' it up. My God. It is so freakish to know there are so many seemingly well adjusted people who believe that drivel. It's unnerving. They aren't well adjusted at all!

[Duchess]

Rick Scott just held a press conference. He intends to ban the sale of bump stock and raise the buying age to 21.

[Maggot]

Many people think AR stands for assault rifle, does anyone know what it really stands for?

[F.U.]

Just throwing this out there for discussion.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/17/5-re...l.facebook

A couple things I would add to this list is,

1. Social security number should be a requirement on form 4473 instead of being optional.

2. The option of releasing the firearm to the buyer after 3 days of waiting for a response from the NICS system should be removed.

[Maggot]

That would be fine with me. No doubt.

[Duchess]

1. Social security number should be a requirement on form 4473 instead of being optional.

2. The option of releasing the firearm to the buyer after 3 days of waiting for a response from the NICS system should be removed.

I like the idea of requiring a SS number. That would allow for quick cross checking, right?

In regards to #2, do you want the firearm to remain with the seller when there has been no response? I didn't know that no response would be looked at in the same way approval would be. That's nuts! Or am I misunderstanding?

[F.U.]

1. Social security number should be a requirement on form 4473 instead of being optional.

2. The option of releasing the firearm to the buyer after 3 days of waiting for a response from the NICS system should be removed.

I like the idea of requiring a SS number. That would allow for quick cross checking, right?

In regards to #2, do you want the firearm to remain with the seller when there has been no response? I didn't know that no response would be looked at in the same way approval would be. That's nuts! Or am I misunderstanding?

That's my thought as well. Without a SS# the background is conducted using just the name and DOB. A SS# would speed the check up and pinpoint the persons identity.

Yes you are reading that right. Currently dealers have the right to complete the transaction after 3 consecutive working days. Even if we have not had a response from the NICS system. I think that is crazy.

[HairOfTheDog]

F.U. -- the article in the Federalist makes some good common sense points, which have been broached before.

The one point in the article that lacks common sense is continuing to leave non-licensed private gun transactions free of background check requirements. It remains at 90%+ of the US population, including gun owners, who support Universal Background checks. Making it 'optional' for private transactions, as the article suggests, isn't the solution. It needs to be mandatory.

The NRA doesn't support required Universal Background checks, but the people do and our lawmakers should buck the NRA on that point, finally, and represent their constituents (which is their job).

I agree with you and the author of the article about getting rid of the 3-day rule. It makes no sense that a licensed dealer can hand over the gun when the FBI is not able to clear or deny a potential buyer in 3 business days. No cleared background check, no gun -- that's the way it should be.

I'm not a fan of Governor Scott from Florida, who has reportedly received more NRA contributions than any other governor. But, credit where due. I was glad to read Duchess' post about him raising the minimum age to buy rifles from 18 to 21 and banning bump stocks.

The actions Scott has committed to taking are ones to which the NRA objects. The strong voices of the Stoneman Douglas school massacre survivors and others are affecting change. Those two commitments from Scott likely won't be seen as enough by many of them, but it's a move in the right direction.

[F.U.]

Well the kids in my area got the day off school today. Sounds like someone was threatening to shoot up my old high school.


Dubuque Scanner - ScanDBQ Online
14 hrs ·
UPDATE: ALL SCHOOLS CLOSED TODAY
ALERT: No School TODAY, Friday, Feb. 23
There will be NO SCHOOL in the Dubuque Community School District TODAY, Friday, Feb. 23.
This decision comes following a threat late last evening to Dubuque Senior High School, which we have been unable to confirm the credibility of. Following the decision to close Senior for the day, the student/parental concern and significant disruption created throughout the district has led to a decision to close ALL SCHOOLS today.
This day will be made up at the end of the school year, as we believe students will benefit more from a normal school day at that time as opposed a day filled with distractions today.

[HairOfTheDog]

I've seen reports of hundreds, if not thousands, of arrests and reports of teens threatening to shoot up schools over the course of the last week.

After the public failures of the FBI and other LE to respond diligently to such reports in Parkside, Florida........it seems LE is taking the threats more seriously now. I hope it continues.

[sally]

My old high school was threatened too, plus several others. They've already arrested a bunch of stupid kids for calling in threats.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Just throwing this out there for discussion.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/17/5-re...l.facebook

A couple things I would add to this list is,

1. Social security number should be a requirement on form 4473 instead of being optional.

2. The option of releasing the firearm to the buyer after 3 days of waiting for a response from the NICS system should be removed.

Both of these should have been done long before

[Duchess]

They've already arrested a bunch of stupid kids for calling in threats.

Good! I hope it scares the crap out of all of them! A strip search would probably accomplish that for a normal little bastard who was just dickin' around.