EX LAPD COP Christopher Dorner

[Sphincter Cop]

It is far too early to speculate about the cause of the fire. Though, I did hear the audio of officers; I too questioned at that time if Dorner started the fire or if it was ignited by the tear gas. The media is acting on impulse and lack of facts as far as I am concerned. I am sure the fire marshal will make the call on this.

[Duchess]

The media is acting on impulse and lack of facts

I notice that a lot and not just with this case. There was a time the media were responsible and didn't report anything that wasn't first fact checked. I don't think they care the way they used to.

[Sphincter Cop]

The STORY

LOS ANGELES — There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.

Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large assault-style rifle.

As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer for a week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him out of his truck.

"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.

The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.

A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin where he'd taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck in the San Bernardino Mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles.

A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded. After the firefight ended, a SWAT team using an armored vehicle broke out the cabin's windows and began knocking down walls. A fire started, and later, charred remains believed to be Dorner's were found.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday the fire was not set on purpose.

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," he said.

His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames, he said. McMahon did not say directly that the tear gas started the blaze, and the cause of the fire was under investigation.

[ramseycat]

Good point Duchess. I think at that point though, they wanted CD stopped and yes dead. He can killed other officers.

Even if CD was right and he was wrongfully discharged and there was a cover up, you can't go on a killing spree. He really just showed how unstable he was and ruined any credibility he had.

[Paulistano]

Indeed, I agree. What a shame people have to die to get their point across. There is something really fucked up here.

[BlueTiki]

What a shame people have to die to get their point across. There is something really fucked up here.

Yes. There is something really fucked up here.

Who are the "people" you suggest must "die" to get "their point across"?

You mean "killed" . . . right?

Are you sympathizing with the murderous coward, Dorner . . . or his victims?

The plural (people) has me confused.

BTW - People don't "have to die" . . . killing is a choice.

Except for Zimmerman and Arias.

[Jimbone]

On a brighter note, someone stopped smoking today!

Christopher Dorner.

[Sphincter Cop]

[Paulistano]

Yes. There is something really fucked up here.

Who are the "people" you suggest must "die" to get "their point across"?

You mean "killed" . . . right?

Are you sympathizing with the murderous coward, Dorner . . . or his victims?

The plural (people) has me confused.

BTW - People don't "have to die" . . . killing is a choice.

Except for Zimmerman and Arias.

You are being purposefully obtrusive.

People don't have to die to make a point, that is what I was saying. I do not sympathise with him, but I do agree with Piers Morgan that there are too many guns in the US. It just seems that a gun is involved in everything, to protect people from other people with guns, and on and on it goes. It is madness.

[Duchess]

I do agree with Piers Morgan

*gasp* Nooooooo

[Paulistano]

*gasp* Nooooooo[/i][/size]

Sorry, but on this I have to begrudgingly agree with him. :(

[Duchess]

Bend over!

[Paulistano]

[Interest in thread intensifies]

Sure...

[Duchess]

You're obedient. I like that a lot!

[Paulistano]

[Heart palpitations continue]

I am stubborn, I must advise you...

[Jimbone]

...there are too many guns in the US. It just seems that a gun is involved in everything, to protect people from other people with guns, and on and on it goes. It is madness.

This is actually an excellent point. The sheer number of guns in the US is staggering... hundreds of millions of dangerous and assaulty firearms. Madness indeed!

On a per gun basis, the number of deaths is statistically insignificant. With about 11,000 firearm homicides per year in the US over about 350 million firearms, do you know what that equates to? 0.003142%. Three thousandths of one percent.

Not even a statistical blip.

Now if you were able to distill the amount of firearm homicides committed with legal firearms, that percentage would likely drop into the millionths of a percent.

So are guns really the problem? Of course not. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of legally owned firearms are never used to indiscriminately kill anyone.

And oh by the way, Brazil has over 30,000 firearm homicides per year. That's over 20K+ more than the USA. They also have more total homicides (44K vs. 16K). Brazil even achieves these staggering numbers with a smaller total population (197M vs 314M).

It would seem that there are more guns and more blood flowing where you live by a wide margin comparably. To that end, we are going to send Piers Morgan directly to you to deal with it.

You're welcome.

[Paulistano]

This is actually an excellent point. The sheer number of guns in the US is staggering... hundreds of millions of dangerous and assaulty firearms. Madness indeed!

On a per gun basis, the number of deaths is statistically insignificant. With about 11,000 firearm homicides per year in the US over about 350 million firearms, do you know what that equates to? 0.003142%. Three thousandths of one percent.

Not even a statistical blip.

Now if you were able to distill the amount of firearm homicides committed with legal firearms, that percentage would likely drop into the millionths of a percent.

So are guns really the problem? Of course not. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of legally owned firearms are never used to indiscriminately kill anyone.

And oh by the way, Brazil has over 30,000 firearm homicides per year. That's over 20K+ more than the USA. They also have more total homicides (44K vs. 16K). Brazil even achieves these staggering numbers with a smaller total population (197M vs 314M).

It would seem that there are more guns and more blood flowing where you live by a wide margin comparably. To that end, we are going to send Piers Morgan directly to you to deal with it.

You're welcome.

I noted that in the above you decided to evade logic for the duration of your sarcasm.

Your point made using ultimately meaningless statistics was basically saying that people kill people and guns do not. Informing me at the same time that there are staggering 11,000 firearm homicides per year in the US.

I suppose that means that guns are a good idea. What a load of nonsense.

It only takes 1 machine gun under a minute to destroy the lives of innocent people forever. I don't really care how you present risk to me in statistical form, I am sure Freddy Mac would have been equally confident in 2007.

There is absolutely no justification in people having machine guns at home, to suggest there is is laughable.

Also, as much as I respect your constitution - hiding behind the second amendment pretending you are upholding something worthwhile is sickening, that is not what it intended and flies in the face of decency.

Brazil is a totally different subejct altogether and I will happily discuss it with you.

[Jimbone]

Paulie, violence is violence. Brazil or the US, it matters not. People perpetrate it everywhere. Criminal enterprise and drug violence mostly when it comes down to it.

I assume you are well aware that people here in the US do not have machine guns. I assume you also know that they are not legal to own here in the US. I will also assume that you are aware that 98%-99% of firearm fatalities in the US are caused by handguns, and not long guns like scary assault rifles. I know that puts a crimp on a specific narrative, but it is the fact. I'd suggest that facts are not meaningless, even if you'd like to minimize them.

Nowhere did I ever assert any justification for people owning machine guns - but by all means laugh if you must. It's good for the soul.

Would you be so kind as to inform us ignorant Americans what our 2^nd amendment intended?

[Paulistano]

Paulie, violence is violence. Brazil or the US, it matters not. People perpetrate it everywhere. Criminal enterprise and drug violence mostly when it comes down to it.

I assume you are well aware that people here in the US do not have machine guns. I assume you also know that they are not legal to own here in the US. I will also assume that you are aware that 98%-99% of firearm fatalities in the US are caused by handguns, and not long guns like scary assault rifles. I know that puts a crimp on a specific narrative, but it is the fact. I'd suggest that facts are not meaningless, even if you'd like to minimize them.

Nowhere did I ever assert any justification for people owning machine guns - but by all means laugh if you must. It's good for the soul.

Would you be so kind as to inform us ignorant Americans what our 2^nd amendment intended?

I did not call you an ignorant American.

Why are there so fewer gun related crimes in Canada compared to the US?

[username]

Canada doesn't have as many niggers.