EX LAPD COP Christopher Dorner

[Duchess]

Hahaha!

[Duchess]

[Paulistano]

No words.

[Jimbone]

Canada doesn't have as many niggers.

HAHAHAHAHA!

[HairOfTheDog]

Snip:
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner killed himself as the cabin he was barricaded inside caught fire following a shootout with officers, police revealed Friday while also confirming he spent most of his time on the run in a condominium just steps away from the command center set up to find him.
http://news.msn.com/us/sheriff-ex-cop-do...?gt1=51501


Very eerie that Dorner was literally right next door to the command center for the LEOs who were pursuing his whereabouts in Big Bear. He could have watched them from out of a window, according to the condo owners. Apparently, LE only searched homes where there appeared to be signs that someone might have broken in or someone could be inside. I don't think the condo next to the command center met the criteria.

Dorner was quiet. He told the cabin owners that he'd been watching them work outside over the previous couple of days and that they were hard workers. They hadn't gone inside to prepare it for their upcoming renters until that final day, at which time Dorner tied and bound them and then took off in their car.

[Midwest Spy]

Snip:
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner killed himself as the cabin he was barricaded inside caught fire following a shootout with officers, police revealed Friday while also confirming he spent most of his time on the run in a condominium just steps away from the command center set up to find him.
http://news.msn.com/us/sheriff-ex-cop-do...?gt1=51501


Very eerie that Dorner was literally right next door to the command center for the LEOs who were pursuing his whereabouts in Big Bear. He could have watched them from out of a window, according to the condo owners. Apparently, LE only searched homes where there appeared to be signs that someone might have broken in or someone could be inside. I don't think the condo next to the command center met the criteria.

Dorner was quiet. He told the cabin owners that he'd been watching them work outside over the previous couple of days and that they were hard workers. They hadn't gone inside to prepare it for their upcoming renters until that final day, at which time Dorner tied and bound them and then took off in their car.

People snap in different ways.

Dorner doesn't seem like a madman, but he definitely felt wronged.

Of course, killing people is never condoned, but I will say, in reading reports of people that interacted with him, he seemed respectful and made it clear his intent was not to indiscriminately kill.

From an outside perspective, we may never know exactly what he went through in his battles with the LAPD. He actually seems well principled, and didn't understand that keeping your job in a huge corporation like the LAPD, or the military, requires plenty of ass-kissing.

When you go after one of your own, you're generally going to lose. Sounds like he was rather self-righteous, but, determined to point out that someone else was guilty of a crime, and he wanted action taken.

I worked with a couple of loads in my days in the military. People that didn't deserve to be collecting paychecks, but, because of their rank and more importantly, whose butts they were kissing, they were protected.

Dorner truly went out (sort of) in a blaze of glory.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm trying to understand your take on this MS, but really don't get where you're coming from. Have you read Dorner’s manifesto and the legal documents associated his with his complaint/hearings?

It’s difficult for me to understand how anyone who’s read the documents can believe that Dorner was anything other than very self-serving in his version of events; an extreme narcissist who wanted to make others pay in the worst possible way for his failures and frustrations.

People snap in different ways.

Dorner doesn't seem like a madman, but he definitely felt wronged.

He didn't “snap”, his actions demanded planning and premeditation, which he actually documented in detail. I do believe that he was mentally ill and probably really believed that he had been wronged, just like the Columbine killers and other mass murderers who target their perceived enemies and anyone unfortunate enough to be connected to (or in the vicinity of) those enemies. No difference, imo.

Of course, killing people is never condoned, but I will say, in reading reports of people that interacted with him, he seemed respectful and made it clear his intent was not to indiscriminately kill.

He was respectful and didn't kill indiscriminately?

Shooting 4 police offers and killing 2, none of whom were amongst his stated targets (LAPD), is not indiscriminately killing?

Breaking into a couple’s home, binding them, covering their heads with pillow cases, stealing their car, and leaving them to fend for themselves is respectful?

Demanding a man turn over his truck and leaving he and his dog abandoned on a Big Bear road is respectful?

I don't define "respect" as any act short of killing/shooting another human being.

He actually seems well principled, and didn't understand that keeping your job in a huge corporation like the LAPD, or the military, requires plenty of ass-kissing.

Sounds like he was rather self-righteous, but, determined to point out that someone else was guilty of a crime, and he wanted action taken.

Rather self righteous and well-principled?

This wannabe martyr wrote at length in his manifesto about the need to ban assault weapons and stop gun violence. He even quoted one of his favorite celebrities, Mia Farrow, on the subject. But, clearly, what he felt was an undeniable imperative for everyone else did not apply to himself. Mr. Gun Control felt that he himself had the right to take guns to the streets and hunt/kill LEOs and civilians. Yeah, maybe he was just a bit self righteous.

He wanted action taken because a suspect had allegedly been criminally kicked during the process of being subdued/arrested? Sounds very well principled, indeed. Yet, he shot six people, killing four of them; I don't think that "well-principled" truly applied to Mr. Dorner when you look beyond his unsubstantiated self-serving words/claims and consider his actions.

I worked with a couple of loads in my days in the military. People that didn't deserve to be collecting paychecks, but, because of their rank and more importantly, whose butts they were kissing, they were protected.

Let's say you're right and Dorner was telling the truth about the mentally-ill man being kicked, and Dorner being the victim of some LAPD conspiracy because he refused to kiss ass. If he wasn't a madman, why not pursue any of the many non-lethal options available to him to fight injustice if he felt that the judges ruled incorrectly in his discrimination / wrongful termination cases? I guess it makes little sense to consider filing a civil suit, contacting the ACLU, submitting an article to the press, etc… when there was the quicker route of killing people and achieving global notoriety at the same time.

Dorner truly went out (sort of) in a blaze of glory.

Blaze of glory?

I sure don’t see it that way. In his attempt to “clear his name”, which, to this outsider, looks a lot more like an attempt to garner sympathy and become famous, he left 4 people dead. And, he fucked up the lives and the name “Dorner” for his mother and every member of his family.

Being holed-up in a cabin very near where his truck broke down, cowering inside for days as the LEOs assigned to stop his killing spree happened to set up base right next door, and then running away when discovered is some pretty cowardly shit, imo.

He died in a fire, period. Nothing sort of glorious about how Dorner left this world, as far as I can see.

[Paulistano]

Canada doesn't have as many niggers.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Enjoying comments like that affects your quality as a human being, I just wanted to let you that.

[Midwest Spy]

@HotD... My point was he clearly could've randomly KILLED more people than he did.

My 'blaze of glory' comment was made tongue in cheek for the fact that he ended up burned to a crisp.

You and I may differ in our view of Dorner.

I'm fine with that.

[username]

Canada doesn't have as many niggers.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Enjoying comments like that affects your quality as a human being, I just wanted to let you that.

Yes. It makes him a better person. Not everyone can appreciate irreverent humor.

Are you always politically correct, Pauli? Would you never laugh at a joke about Jews or gays? Where's your line?

[HairOfTheDog]

@HotD... My point was he clearly could've randomly KILLED more people than he did.

My 'blaze of glory' comment was made tongue in cheek for the fact that he ended up burned to a crisp.

You and I may differ in our view of Dorner.

I'm fine with that.

Thanks, MS.

Dorner could have killed nobody, so the fact that he is credited for killing four people prevents me from giving him any kind of recognition for not killing more.

I wasn't sure that I understood your view. I do now. I'm fine with the difference of opinion as well.

[Paulistano]

Yes. It makes him a better person. Not everyone can appreciate irreverent humor.

Are you always politically correct, Pauli? Would you never laugh at a joke about Jews or gays? Where's your line?

I have seen your picture, it is disappointing that you think that racism is a good thing - because it is not.

PC correctness originated as a concept in the US. It is not often that I am called PC correct, we call them the PC brigade in the UK.

If you think that I am some ultra PC correct clown because I don't use the word nigger - then you are pretty dumb.

[Duchess]

I laugh at many inappropriate things. My sense of humor is terribly warped.

[username]

Yes. It makes him a better person. Not everyone can appreciate irreverent humor.

Are you always politically correct, Pauli? Would you never laugh at a joke about Jews or gays? Where's your line?

I have seen your picture, it is disappointing that you think that racism is a good thing - because it is not.

PC correctness originated as a concept in the US. It is not often that I am called PC correct, we call them the PC brigade in the UK.

If you think that I am some ultra PC correct clown because I don't use the word nigger - then you are pretty dumb.

*gasp* You typed it! To me it is just a word. No different than honkie or spic or any other race based slur (although I agree with Duchess that it's more an attitude than a skin color--there are plenty of white niggers IMO).

I also hark back to what I said in the other post. It is used in almost every damn song, often created by black artists, that my kids are listening to these days. How are my kids supposed to listen to that stuff and simultaneously revere the word (not that they go around calling people niggers or anything)?

My son played a song for me a few weeks ago...I couldn't get I'm a nigga out of my head for days.

SC, I hope you'll excuse the off-topic here...I'm thinking since Dorner is dead, it doesn't matter as much.

[Paulistano]

As is mine. I can be a sicko.

[Paulistano]

*gasp* You typed it! To me it is just a word. No different than honkie or spic or any other race based slur (although I agree with Duchess that it's more an attitude than a skin color--there are plenty of white niggers IMO).

I also hark back to what I said in the other post. It is used in almost every damn song, often created by black artists, that my kids are listening to these days. How are my kids supposed to listen to that stuff and simultaneously revere the word (not that they go around calling people niggers or anything)?

My son played a song for me a few weeks ago...I couldn't get I'm a nigga out of my head for days.

SC, I hope you'll excuse the off-topic here...I'm thinking since Dorner is dead, it doesn't matter as much.

I have been told my Americans that there is a clear distinction between nigga and nigger. I suspect that you already know that.

Don't get me wrong, I am not leftie do gooder liberal. I am a capitalist, very right wing economically, but am socially liberal. I believe in equality in all its forms. I also don't mind saying that the behaviour of many black communities in the US is disgusting, but as you say above it is not limited to one race.

Where I am from calling people niggers is out of order, if you do it in London you will get in a lot of trouble, very quickly.

[Jimbone]

Enjoying comments like that affects your quality as a human being, I just wanted to let you that.

Lighten up Francis.

My quality as a human being is just fine.

[Paulistano]

Lighten up Francis.

My quality as a human being is just fine.

I suppose my comment was a little bit OTT.

[Duchess]

I can be a sicko.

I know. I hear the Godfather theme song whenever I see your name.

[Paulistano]

I know. I hear the Godfather theme song whenever I see your name.[/i][/size]

The Brando thing. It must be the lack of hair.

Where is that LadyCop woman?