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(02-15-2011, 10:45 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: (02-15-2011, 09:25 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub These alleged threats are NOT being made through Facebook but in person in the Ohio area. They are NOT being made by people who are guilty of the crime. I don't know why you guys can't get that straight. The alleged threats are being made by people to people who the people think are involved in the murder, not by the murderers or their friends.
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all of this has been deleted from the justice page now
Thanks for keeping track of this. There would be no 'history' of this if
you were not posting here.
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(02-15-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote: (02-15-2011, 04:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: (02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote: (02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.
There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.
True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa 
What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......
I've wondered about this, as well. It's not clear, to me, where anybody actually resided. On top of that, the reporting from The Toledo Blade is so shitty, all of the articles read like they were written by high school students.
the address on Plum Leaf is either an apartment or a duplex type house.... it's actually very close to the Holland/Srpingfiled twp area.
that's probably where she lived when she was living with a girlfriend...and JC "punched" the roomate in the stomache...or something like that!
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I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...
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(02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...
That's a good point. However, T's story doesn't jive. She went by and saw the house ransacked. You'd call 911 right?
One thing I'm not sure of though since it's been a while since I heard the 911 tapes.. did T ever say the ransacked thing or did Maytee say T said that to her?
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I found a picture on FB of TW and some friends. One of the friends in that pic also has a FB page, on it there are two profile pictures of him. In one he's holding an automatic rifle & in the other he has a 40 ounce beer DUCT TAPED to each hand!
Tried and tried to copy the pic & was unsuccessful, darn if I could figure it out :(
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LC, is it typical for LE to be more conservative on the information released to the public if they suspect the crime to be gang related in fear of retaliation?
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(02-15-2011, 11:40 PM)efyou Wrote: (02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...
That's a good point. However, T's story doesn't jive. She went by and saw the house ransacked. You'd call 911 right?
One thing I'm not sure of though since it's been a while since I heard the 911 tapes.. did T ever say the ransacked thing or did Maytee say T said that to her?
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I do believe when TW told the dispatcher she had went by, and mentioned something about the cupboards (I could be wrong, since I heard um so many times). So if TW didn't tell her this, how did Maytee know they where ransacked since it was prior to the door being kicked in and when police was there they didn't see anything?
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(02-15-2011, 11:19 PM)fabulous Wrote: (02-15-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote: (02-15-2011, 04:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: (02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote: (02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.
There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.
True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa
What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......
I've wondered about this, as well. It's not clear, to me, where anybody actually resided. On top of that, the reporting from The Toledo Blade is so shitty, all of the articles read like they were written by high school students.
the address on Plum Leaf is either an apartment or a duplex type house.... it's actually very close to the Holland/Srpingfiled twp area.
that's probably where she lived when she was living with a girlfriend...and JC "punched" the roomate in the stomache...or something like that!
You must be right because her uncle confirmed that she AND Johnny lived with her parents - which is weird because the last time that Maytee talked about where Johnny lived she said he DIDN'T live there. Maybe Maytee didn't want to admit that her "babiboi" didn't want to live at home and preferred Lisa's folks.
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(02-15-2011, 11:51 PM)jenjen Wrote: I found a picture on FB of TW and some friends. One of the friends in that pic also has a FB page, on it there are two profile pictures of him. In one he's holding an automatic rifle & in the other he has a 40 ounce beer DUCT TAPED to each hand!
Tried and tried to copy the pic & was unsuccessful, darn if I could figure it out :(
A pic on Tiffany's FB acct?
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From Tiffany's wall:
Tiffany likes Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub.
hmmm
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No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!
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(02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!
Okay, it's one of Tiffany's friends? If so, what is the first name of the person?
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(02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!
use a program called "SNAGIT"
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(02-16-2011, 12:54 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: (02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!
use a program called "SNAGIT"
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/
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unfolding now on justice.........
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. I am wondering, Tiffany, if you would be willing to answer some questions. In advance, I would like to warn everyone that anyone who posts any negative comments about Tiffany, or attacks her on this page, will be banned on the spot. This is our opportunity to ask her some questions!
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:
Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
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xxxxxxxxl Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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(02-16-2011, 12:20 AM)DickTracy Wrote: (02-15-2011, 11:40 PM)efyou Wrote: (02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...
That's a good point. However, T's story doesn't jive. She went by and saw the house ransacked. You'd call 911 right?
One thing I'm not sure of though since it's been a while since I heard the 911 tapes.. did T ever say the ransacked thing or did Maytee say T said that to her?
Hello All! Been checking the site out, and I have to say it's the BEST by far!
I do believe when TW told the dispatcher she had went by, and mentioned something about the cupboards (I could be wrong, since I heard um so many times). So if TW didn't tell her this, how did Maytee know they where ransacked since it was prior to the door being kicked in and when police was there they didn't see anything?
yeah i swear she does say cabinets on the 911 through the umm...and she is so quit to respond to dispatcher..that the phone is turned off when the dispatchers asked for the phone number of johnny..the 911 tape link is in this thread ...somewhere at the beginning...and posted a number a times in the thread i think
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I don't want to name (innocent) people from FB but, if I told you she said, she saw Johnny just a couple of hours before he died, that she also saw him on Christmas, would it help? This person is also a friend of TW. The photos were posted 2/9. Not sure if I'm correct, would love confirmation if I am but, I think ZB is also in the photo, along with TW and this other guy with the duct tape on his page.
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(02-04-2011, 11:08 PM)LT_RN Wrote: I new the forum but very interested in this case. I live not far from the area and am myself a graduate of SHS (in fact graduated with Lisa's sister). After looking at all of the posts, I found the 911 calls from John's mother on the FB page dedicated to the young couple.
911 Call #1
911 Call #2
911 Call #3
I agree that Johnny's mother knows more, something just isnt matching up. And if you listen closely in call #2 she reveals the girl was the couple was going to pick up.[/align]
here it is
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(02-16-2011, 12:58 AM)rotten_cotton Wrote: unfolding now on justice.........
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. I am wondering, Tiffany, if you would be willing to answer some questions. In advance, I would like to warn everyone that anyone who posts any negative comments about Tiffany, or attacks her on this page, will be banned on the spot. This is our opportunity to ask her some questions!
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:
Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
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xxxxxxxxl Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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Person that runs it will be closing it for the night. 
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(02-16-2011, 01:06 AM)efyou Wrote: (02-16-2011, 12:58 AM)rotten_cotton Wrote: unfolding now on justice.........
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. I am wondering, Tiffany, if you would be willing to answer some questions. In advance, I would like to warn everyone that anyone who posts any negative comments about Tiffany, or attacks her on this page, will be banned on the spot. This is our opportunity to ask her some questions!
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3 people like this.
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:
Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
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xxxxxxxxl Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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Person that runs it will be closing it for the night.
i saw that....but it's not closed yet!
Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:
Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
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xxxxx Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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xxxxx plus, if she DID have nothing to do with it... she should want to give all info out, maybe it would help catch the killers? 
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub She's probably in bed. It's 12:00 at night in Toledo. I'm going to make this page private for the night and open it up again in the morning.
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xxxxx She should be sharing that information with authorities...not us.
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xxxxx why do you make it private at night? just curious
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub @Stefany: Because people have been posting a bunch of SMACK to this page attacking me and I don't want them to have 12 hours to post without my not being able to delete their posts!
Of course you aren't aware of the posts because I generally catch them shortly after they hit the page because I receive notification in an e-mail and can quickly remove them and ban the person.
I've had to ban about 40 people!
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xxxxx wow 40 people!!! that's crazy!!!
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xxxxx You can block me for saying this but honestly i think its up to God detectives and the jury to question people not us we need to know our roles as citizens play our part and not go overboard
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The page was way out of control and I decided to put a stop to the disruptive behavior which enraged some people when I banned them who then complained to their friends who they sent over here to blast me and say, "We've reported your page."
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