I Swear on all things Holy, this is a Great Wine!

[sally]

I've been surprised by non-cork corks in some bottles. Plastic? Rubber? Nuclear waste? I dunno, but it slid out real nice.

Grey Goose makes a really nice nuclear waste cork screw, althoughGrey goose isnot wine, it's vodka.

[Sinister]

If that's the case, I'm not a regular wine drinker, in fact, I haven't drunk at all for almost a year. I read it in a newspaper article where a whole bunch of traditionalists were carrying on about not having corked wine anymore, and the wineries response to it

Ooooh....you read about it!!! Wow!!! Let me guess; you read about it....ON THE INTERNET, right? ::doh::

Fuck me sideways, you people are ignorant.

The ONLY classical and traditional way of enjoying a GOOD bottle of wine is to UNCORK it. 17+ years of bartending in everything from blue-collar to high-end joints have taught ME a little about wine. Too bad sitting in the corner saloon till you're wasted and more retarded than how you woke uphasn't improved you any.

Next?

[crash]

If that's the case, I'm not a regular wine drinker, in fact, I haven't drunk at all for almost a year. I read it in a newspaper article where a whole bunch of traditionalists were carrying on about not having corked wine anymore, and the wineries response to it

Ooooh....you read about it!!! Wow!!! Let me guess; you read about it....ON THE INTERNET, right? ::doh::

Who is ignorant?

Looks like you didn't learn much doling out drinks, much like the rest of your life... and I wouldn't want to fuck your wasted body in any way, I have far too much respect for my cock.

You're pissed about my remark about your moderation skills, which were proven to be inadequate, and your whining about it here.

If you want this, bitch, you bring it

[Sinister]

If you want this, bitch, you bring it

So, again.....where did you hear this misinformation that you state as fact? ::dunno::

[crash]

Jesus wept... I told you already, I read it in a newspaper, remember them? If you got out once in a while you might actually fucking find one...

It was an article written by a wine critic about the pretentious misconceptions pompous fuckwits have on the necessity of a cork..

oh.. and for your reference...

Screws Cap Seals Versus Cork Seals
Wine Connoisseurs
So what do connoisseurs in the wine industry think about screw caps? John Corbett Milward from the UK⿿s Wines and Spirits Association is pragmatic about the issue. ⿿There is no official view - let the market decide how people close their bottles,⿿ he says. ⿿My belief is that people haven⿿t attempted to keep wines for a long time with a screw cap, but as far as use is concerned, some people like them and some don⿿t. We have no particular concern over the use of the materials.⿿

Pierre Mansour from the Wine Society, the world⿿s oldest co-operative wine club, agrees with Milward saying, ⿿We don't care how a wine is closed, as long as what⿿s in the bottle is good.⿿ The Wine Society started closing one of their own label 2002 New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc with screw caps and have ⿿no qualms⿿. ⿿I⿿m very happy with the quality and there is zero tainting,⿿ adds Mansour.

I notice you walked away from your Sinese sentence pretty quick too... get back in your hole, stupid... your credibility is all but fucked here

[LuMPyPussy]

Hahahaha! Oh my god, you mean you have to uncork the bottle before you can drink it?

Get a grip, he's talking about long term wine storage. Everyone knows you don't want the cork to dry.

[Liquid]

There is no question that the true wine enthusiasts and experts will always consider real classic and great wine one that comes from a corked bottle.

The twist cap trend/fad is completely commercial and is a marketing gimmick that is SOMEWHAT popular now. But that is also due to there just being a ton more wines available to the general public then ever before.

In the bars we own/run there are no high end twist cap wines. It is what we call SUPERMARKET wines that have the twist tops or are sold in boxes.

[crash]

See, Liquid, that's bullshit... The majority of fine wine experts agree that screw caps and synthetic corks are superior to natural cork because there is no risk of taint, even after prolonged storage.

The marketing campaign to go with the new trend is just to overcome the stigma attached to the cork, not a gimmick

[Liquid]

See, Liquid, that's bullshit... The majority of fine wine experts agree that screw caps and synthetic corks are superior to natural cork because there is no risk of taint, even after prolonged storage.

The marketing campaign to go with the new trend is just to overcome the stigma attached to the cork, not a gimmick

I am not saying I don't agree with you, but ACTUAL BAR OWNERS, including high end locations, are still 99% traditional cork, and that is because the drinking public only knows one thing.

In my town is a restaurant that does 42 million dollars a year in business. It is the #3 or 4 wine seller in the country. The entire country. They have one of the most extensive wine cellars in the world. I know the owners of the restaurant very well since I am in the business and we have talked about this many times. The reality is still sales and the majority of the buying public (and that is all that counts since wine sellers need to sell wine) still want a traditional cork.

[crash]

Fair enough, and that's the stigma, not the fact... It will take a fair old amount of time to change, but slowly the wineries are moving that way

[OnBendedKnee]

Part of that Liquid could be perception.
I know if I went to a high end restaurant I would want the wine to be corked.
Part of that is the experience of the uncorking and the traditional slight pour, sniffing and acceptance of the wine before it is long poured into the glasses.
That experience and tradition would be altered, at best, eliminated at worse with the screw top bottle.

[Liquid]

Part of it? all of it is perception and as crash mentioned, it will take a long time to change that perception.

And most (almost all) people have no idea about the smell of the cork and what it means or does not mean and if it is acceptable or not. unless the wine is clearly and obviously bad, almost no one sends their wine back after it has been uncorked. almost no one.

[crash]

Hey I agree to some extent, OBK,the test of time will be if the newer generations of wine drinkers are more impressed by the quality of the aged wine, or the tradition.

My original post on this was just to give an insight why wineries are moving to screw tops

[Sinister]

You wine sissies can argue about the proclivities of proper wine storage all you want; there is one acceptable way to store and serve GOOD wine, and that is in CORKED bottles. You heathans can think whatever the fuck you like.

You're wrong, but you can think whatever you like. And.... ::finger::

[Liquid]

Sin, it is changing, but very slowly. There are some great sites to learn more.

Read
http://wine.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Screw_Top_Wine_Bottles and
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=2535

There are thousands of sites with info, but every wine tasting I have been going to in the past 1-2 years the wine experts talk about the rise of screw tops throughout the industry. it is new.

[crash]

there is one acceptable way to store and serve GOOD wine, and that is in CORKED bottles.

Again...

Pierre Mansour from the Wine Society, the world⿿s oldest co-operative wine club, agrees with Milward saying, ⿿We don't care how a wine is closed, as long as what⿿s in the bottle is good.⿿

...but hey, you believe what you have to to get you by in that little THC fueled universe you co-inhabit with yourself

[Liquid]

The biggest issue with the corked wine is that SO SO many bottles/cases are going bad. This also includes the very high end wines that have been stored and aged correctly. That is a big problem for the growers/sellers.

[SyberBitch]

I just bought a very tasty wine a couple of days ago. It was a 'honey apple' wine, for $12/bottle. It surprised me, because I normally don't enjoy 'sweet' wines, but it's very light with an aromatic fruity taste. It has a cork. I also enjoy relatively inexpensive white zinfandel, but those are the exceptions. I normally prefer something very dry and kind of... 'smokey' I think. I rarely drink wine though.

[LuMPyPussy]

Okay, two comments.

1. Sinister might have the years working as a bartender, but she worked in a biker bar in Detroit. Enough said about her extensive knowledge on wine storage.

2. Congratulations that Bullet will be out soon. Sincerely. But why would he possibly want to spend time online, much less in here when he's got so much to catch up on?

[Middle Finger]

But why would he possibly want to spend time online, much less in here when he's got so much to catch up on?

WTF? How DARE you ...