Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[kitty1]

I believe that the gravemarker was indeed stolen. I don't think it was the perps. I think it was some hoodlum kids that like thousands of us think Maytee is hurting others with her behavior. I strongly believe that the beads were simply beads. Beads placed on the angel rather than just laying them on the ground. If you go to gravesites there are hundreds of momentos that people leave including strands of beads and rosarys and they are usually hung on something. I think Maytee is overreacting about the beads. She is indeed a victim but she enjoys playing the victim role. Some people do. I think the police took the beads in for fingerprints becuz Maytee probably threw a fit. We all know she had to go apeshit and demand that LE test them JMO

I absolutely agree. I would not be surprised if one of Johnny's friends took the grave marker. I could see the situation happening, they're there visiting the grave site and think "it won't hurt". Kids sometimes make stupid decisions in the heat of the moment.

I'm sure Maytee made a bigger deal out of the beads than necessary, but if any of this helps lead to an arrest, then so be it. Seems to me LE is pulling at straws tho.

I think it is possible that that some of his friends got wasted and went to visit and said "Hey this is just a temporary marker so lets take it" Could you imagine if you were the person who placed beads there as a kind gesture. Would u tell Maytee? Hell no. She would probably put a curse on you

[Freshbait78]

My initial reaction to the grave marker/beads/angel situation is that someone is overreacting. I mean how do they know for sure that the grave marker was stolen? We've had bad weather, maybe it was "blown away". Maybe the cemetery removed it for some reason (granted if that were the case they should have notified the family) I just don't get why it's immediately being said it was stolen. Also, the beads?? I do not see this as doing any harm at all! Someone was paying their respects. Maytee needs to get a grip. A serious grip. You can't take every single thing and turn it into an action against you!! What if someone placed a certain color flowers on the grave?? IS she going to turn that into some huge ordeal??? It's just not making sense to me.

Raisingaprince, I posted a link to the video both here & on the JC & LS facts thread. In the video they show a similiar marker. It wouldn not be possible for this marker to blow away. It looked like a thin slab of rock similiar to a permanent headstone. The GM of the cemetary was also interviewed. They did not remove the marker & no other markers were stolen or messed with.

Temporary grave markers are typically not made out of slab of concrete, they are in fact a "marker" which consists of a metal piece inscribed with the decedents information affixed to a metal post intended, hopefully, to be replaced with a headstone which costs typically in upwards of $200+. As I'm sure most can attest, temporary markers can and most often do get damaged or unintentionally displaced due to forces of nature, and in some cases groundskeeping can cause a marker to dismantle, as I can personally relate when my grandmothers marker was "missing" which was inadvertently a result of mowing the grass. Albeit, unlikely they would mow given there's snow in OH, but nonetheless a simple example at best.

Thanks for the example.... now go watch the video. You will find it in this thread a few pages back & also on the Facts thread.

[blueyes]

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I think TW might have "known" daddy ( John Sr) prior to that night, if ya get what I mean!

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I said that before too that i think TW and JC SR. knew each other before she picked him up
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I think if u look at the type person TW is how many baby daddies n jc Sr is not a bad lookin guy maybe there was some lovin goin on....he went with her way to easy n how much time is accounted for from when they left the house til maytee finally went over there........ backseat quicky is what it sounds like to me n not the first time!

[curious]

My initial reaction to the grave marker/beads/angel situation is that someone is overreacting. I mean how do they know for sure that the grave marker was stolen? We've had bad weather, maybe it was "blown away". Maybe the cemetery removed it for some reason (granted if that were the case they should have notified the family) I just don't get why it's immediately being said it was stolen. Also, the beads?? I do not see this as doing any harm at all! Someone was paying their respects. Maytee needs to get a grip. A serious grip. You can't take every single thing and turn it into an action against you!! What if someone placed a certain color flowers on the grave?? IS she going to turn that into some huge ordeal??? It's just not making sense to me.

Raisingaprince, I posted a link to the video both here & on the JC & LS facts thread. In the video they show a similiar marker. It wouldn not be possible for this marker to blow away. It looked like a thin slab of rock similiar to a permanent headstone. The GM of the cemetary was also interviewed. They did not remove the marker & no other markers were stolen or messed with.

Temporary grave markers are typically not made out of slab of concrete, they are in fact a "marker" which consists of a metal piece inscribed with the decedents information affixed to a metal post intended, hopefully, to be replaced with a
headstone which costs typically in upwards of $200+. As I'm sure most can attest, temporary markers can and most often do get damaged or unintentionally displaced due to forces of nature, and in some cases groundskeeping can cause a marker to dismantle, as I can personally relate when my grandmothers marker was "missing" which was inadvertently a result of mowing the grass. Albeit, unlikely they would mow given there's snow in OH, but nonetheless a simple example at best.

Thanks for the example.... now go watch the video. You will find it in this thread a few pages back & also on the Facts thread.

ugh, on my iPhone so can't watch Flash video but maybe YouTube has it posted...

[PURPLECATS]

I think TW might have "known" daddy ( John Sr) prior to that night, if ya get what I mean!

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I said that before too that i think TW and JC SR. knew each other before she picked him up
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I think if u look at the type person TW is how many baby daddies n jc Sr is not a bad lookin guy maybe there was some lovin goin on....he went with her way to easy n how much time is accounted for from when they left the house til maytee finally went over there........ backseat quicky is what it sounds like to me n not the first time!
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If she didn't know him WHY would she pick him up? GOOD DEED FOR THE DAY? :B

[Adub]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

[PURPLECATS]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

I s that how you see it? its a FACT that TW picked him up
you can read what ever you want into it

[Freshbait78]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

[curious]

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Temporary grave markers are typically not made out of slab of concrete, they are in fact a "marker" which consists of a metal piece inscribed with the decedents information affixed to a metal post intended, hopefully, to be replaced with a
headstone which costs typically in upwards of $200+. As I'm sure most can attest, temporary markers can and most often do get damaged or unintentionally displaced due to forces of nature, and in some cases groundskeeping can cause a marker to dismantle, as I can personally relate when my grandmothers marker was "missing" which was inadvertently a result of mowing the grass. Albeit, unlikely they would mow given there's snow in OH, but nonetheless a simple example at best.
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Thanks for the example.... now go watch the video. You will find it in this thread a few pages back & also on the Facts thread.
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ugh, on my iPhone so can't watch Flash video but maybe YouTube has it posted...
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Didn't find the newscast on YouTube but did come across the following video which brought tears to my eyes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU2L46oWw...ata_player

[Adub]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

I just know for a FACT that Johnny's mom reads here. I don't feel that she needs to read shit like that.

[EastCoastKat]

well she got all of LE's reports and kept seeing this NIH over and over again pertaining to her daughter, and couldn't' figure out what the hell it was, it turned out to mean, Non Human Involved, imagine that!

What you have just related to here is very troubling to me. Could the person relating this to you be exagerating or distorting this information because of the great pain they had from the loss of their loved one?

No, this was on TV show, like Phil Donahue, Geraldo Rivera could have even of been 60minutes or something like that, and I couldn't believe it myself, but apparently it was true they showed the reports, the mother had hired a private detective in California because she wanted some answers about her daughter's murder, and all she was getting was a run around for months, they were involved in drugs, the daughter and her boyfriend (the boyfriend tried to get the daughter involved in prostitution they found out), but still this was her daughter, in fact, I believe if memory serves me, it was her only child. So she went out there in search of some answers and along with the detective she even interviewed some pretty shady characters, but they showed how in all the LE reports her daughter and her boyfriend were referred to as NIH cases. Non Human Involved and apparently this was not uncommon in LE at the time to use that in their reports (not just California either) when the crimes involved prostitutes, drug addicts and whomever they deemed unworthy! I believe it in was the early 80's..I'm sure this is not a practice anymore. But it was awful for that mother to see that!

[fabulous]

wow...finally caught up AGAIN...only to be backlogged again very soon! ha!
i just had a couple of things:

I would put no thought into the LCSO sgt. retiring, tons of our public servants are going to be retiring because of the union busting governor that we have (yay!) in Ohio that is breaking the unions, which is going to affect the retirement, pay, promotion, pension, etc of everybody!!

and while as disrespectful as the comments seemed from the LCSO sgt. you have to put them in perspective. He was talking to the trustees of HOLLAND. an upper to upper middle class suburb where people come for "good schools" ...big houses in developments... soccer clubs.... brownie troops... stay at home moms... he was wanting to put those type of people at ease. so if you immediatly throw up the gangs, drugs, prison, criminal history, etc.... you make certain people feel safe. Certain people like the upper middle class mentalilty...it won't happen to me types...feel safe. (hope that makes sense!)

I think it's becoming more and more clear, with what has been posted on here, other websites and what we already know as true that they, LE, don't have a strong case against anyone yet. I read something that said LE had no motive for the crime. maybe that's just purposeful misinformation...who knows.

I do know for a fact that LE is becoming very irritated and "less patient" every day with Maytee. They, LE, have stated that she is mucking things up for them and muddying the waters, so to speak.

[Freshbait78]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

I just know for a FACT that Johnny's mom reads here. I don't feel that she needs to read shit like that.

I agree Adub, especially considering that it's nothing but completely unfounded GOSSIP. No facts behind it what so ever. What really trips me out are the posts asking Maytee to come post here lol Why would she? People act like no ones talked shit about her. She comes here & reads this shit & then when she goes & rants & raves on her page people act all shocked & shit :O

[PURPLECATS]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

I just know for a FACT that Johnny's mom reads here. I don't feel that she needs to read shit like that.

I DIDN'T SAY SHIT ONLY WHAT WAS A FACT GET THE FUCK OFF ME

[esbee]

well she got all of LE's reports and kept seeing this NIH over and over again pertaining to her daughter, and couldn't' figure out what the hell it was, it turned out to mean, Non Human Involved, imagine that!

What you have just related to here is very troubling to me. Could the person relating this to you be exagerating or distorting this information because of the great pain they had from the loss of their loved one?

No, this was on TV show, like Phil Donahue, Geraldo Rivera could have even of been 60minutes or something like that, and I couldn't believe it myself, but apparently it was true they showed the reports, the mother had hired a private detective in California because she wanted some answers about her daughter's murder, and all she was getting was a run around for months, they were involved in drugs, the daughter and her boyfriend (the boyfriend tried to get the daughter involved in prostitution they found out), but still this was her daughter, in fact, I believe if memory serves me, it was her only child. So she went out there in search of some answers and along with the detective she even interviewed some pretty shady characters, but they showed how in all the LE reports her daughter and her boyfriend were referred to as NIH cases. Non Human Involved and apparently this was not uncommon in LE at the time to use that in their reports (not just California either) when the crimes involved prostitutes, drug addicts and whomever they deemed unworthy! I believe it in was the early 80's..I'm sure this is not a practice anymore. But it was awful for that mother to see that!

I went searching for this after you posted, ECK. I came across the following.

http://www.radicalreference.info/node/2879

To me, it sounds as though it was a legitimate acronym "No Human Involved" to classify a crime. Unfortunately, it seems to have devolved to "NHI n. U.S. Police slang no humans involved, an informal classification assigned to a crime giving it low priority because its victim is regarded as having a low social status."

[Adub]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

I just know for a FACT that Johnny's mom reads here. I don't feel that she needs to read shit like that.

I DIDN'T SAY SHIT ONLY WHAT WAS A FACT GET THE FUCK OFF ME

Kind of hard to tell who said what when you fuck up the quote time after time. But hey, you're getting better.

[curious]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

Thank you!! Sometimes I log in here & feel like I just entered the fucking Twilight Zone

I just know for a FACT that Johnny's mom reads here. I don't feel that she needs to read shit like that.

Exactly why each of us have a choice as to what we read, I don't particularly enjoy reading posts from Maytee regarding her self-proclaimed Voodo acts she's wiahing upon all fellow "Mockers" which would include yourself. Then again, the opperative word is choice, I choose to read her posts so if she chooses to read mine, it is what it is.

[JsMom]

Temporary grave markers are typically not made out of slab of concrete, they are in fact a "marker" which consists of a metal piece inscribed with the decedents information affixed to a metal post intended, hopefully, to be replaced with a
headstone which costs typically in upwards of $200+. As I'm sure most can attest, temporary markers can and most often do get damaged or unintentionally displaced due to forces of nature, and in some cases groundskeeping can cause a marker to dismantle, as I can personally relate when my grandmothers marker was "missing" which was inadvertently a result of mowing the grass. Albeit, unlikely they would mow given there's snow in OH, but nonetheless a simple example at best.
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Thanks for the example.... now go watch the video. You will find it in this thread a few pages back & also on the Facts thread.
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ugh, on my iPhone so can't watch Flash video but maybe YouTube has it posted...
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Didn't find the newscast on YouTube but did come across the following video which brought tears to my eyes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU2L46oWw...ata_player




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=( damn!

[blueyes]

And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

I s that how you see it? its a FACT that TW picked him up
you can read what ever you want into it

not gossip when it is fact she picked him up fact there is unaccounted for time n both it is thought drugs played a part n tw was involved some how? Keeping jc Sr away for a Lil longer to ensure safe get away and a reason for maytee to be upset with TW come on too many things there to be gossip! N I can have my opinion too its not as crazy as some other ideas

[EastCoastKat]

if they did, they shouldn't have taken the marker though, that is creepy, and that makes it seem like something more to me!

I don't like admitting this but after some thought I think there was probably a time in my life, as a teen, that I may have done something like that if the person was my dear friend. It's awful & certainly disrespectful but I can see a friend doing that.

You could be right, I have seen kids here in the town that I now live in, hang out in the graveyard, where I come from, Chicago, no way, the only time was if someone said it was haunted and a group would go and scare the hell out of themselves, but not taking anything. I guess though if the kids are use to going there to hang out, maybe friend would do that, take the temporary headstone..

You could be right, maybe somebody who use to party with Johnny, left the Mardi Gras beads...if they did, they shouldn't have taken the marker though, that is creepy, and that makes it seem like something more to me!

It probably is something more but you never know if someone is wasted off their ass leaving the bar and feeling sad and sentimental. Who knows......this case is insane.

I see what you and Duchess mean...