Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Methusala]

I don't buy it that there was ever cash in the safe. There may have actually been a safe, but it probably only contained important paperwork and documents that can't be replaced. Besides do you know anyone who actually keeps money in a safe anymore? This isn't 1940 (where everyone stashed cash inside of their homes), and with a struggling economy...Nobody has a hundred thousand dollars in cash.…

With all due respect, I think you are giving the perps too much credit. Why should you assume that they were as smart as you or I or the rest of the Mock membership? It's unlikely.

Those assigned to carry out humiliations or beatings or torture or murder if "necessary" are usually the dimmest bulbs in the chandelier.

Whoever sent them probably considered the location and opening of the imagined safe to be information the perps could easily extract by threats and force from Johnny and Lisa; and the belief that there was a safe full of cash and drugs came from someone impressed by the location of the home in "richville" as someone called it, its appearance, or something Johnny may have done or said.

I don't think you should necessarily apply your wisdom to the brains of the perpetrators in this case.

[imsuchawildflower]

Methusala:: great post! Thank you for that. Never crossed my mind that people did that.

Wolfhouse:: Maybe not Johnny, but I would imagine, if there indeed was a safe, that Lisa knew about it.
My children know everything, as you never know when you are going to die. If there is ANYTHING they
would need in the event of my death, they know where it all is and any secret info that might go along with that.
I could completely see Lisa knowing that...especially since she was the only child still at home.


Truth be Told:: You would be surprised how many people keep safes, lock boxes or have a secret hiding place in their homes,
where they keep emergency money. I actually DO know several people that have actual safes in their homes. Some with
LARGE amounts of cash. Of course they arent telling the whole world or anything, just very old and trusted friends that are
more like family rather than friends, like us. Its happening alot these days with the economy the way it is...people arent
so trusting of the govt.

[imsuchawildflower]

[quote='truth be told' pid='160190' dateline='1303272875']


With all due respect, I think you are giving the perps too much credit. Why should you assume that they were as smart as you or I or the rest of the Mock membership? It's unlikely.

Those assigned to carry out humiliations or beatings or torture or murder if "necessary" are usually the dimmest bulbs in the chandelier.

Whoever sent them probably considered the location and opening of the imagined safe to be information the perps could easily extract by threats and force from Johnny and Lisa; and the belief that there was a safe full of cash and drugs came from someone impressed by the location of the home in "richville" as someone called it, its appearance, or something Johnny may have done or said.

I don't think you should necessarily apply your wisdom to the brains of the perpetrators in this case.

On the Justice page there is a comment that is a somewhat "suspicious and familiar" (and ranting in all caps) that refers to us mockers and our "fancy talk"....so yes, even Maytee's fans on FB think we are smarter than themselves or that group of people.

[Snoopy]

KEEP YOUR HEAD UP MAYTEE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY AT MOCK YOU ARE A GREIVING MOTHER AND NOBODY SHOULD BE POKING FUN AT THAT!!!.

I for one, take offense to this. At no point in time have I as a mock forum member ever judged nor said anything negative towards Maytee, nor poked fun at her.
I am the daughter of a Meth addict. I judge no one. Not even my own mother who chose a lifestyle of drugs over the well being of her own children, many times over.
Point of fact:" Daughter of drug user does not use drugs", "has an awesome career "and "5 health happy children"... People can and do, learn form the mistakes of others without having to make the same bad choices for themselves.

There is much proof, that kids from a good home can still make bad choices, as well as kids from bad homes, can make good choices.

Judging Maytee for her parenting skills, will add nothing to this case. Its reflective, but really leads nowhere. It proves nothing.

We can argue till the cows come home, if JC would of ended up this way, or not, under other parental influences or not, and we still have nothing!!! we just cannot know that. Like, Ted Bundy.... came from a good family, no excuse for his actions, just nothing! ( he is a relative of mine by marriage , so yes I do know about the twisted adoption situation-his mother, was his sister and all that, so no need to fill me in) but he made his own choices, and none of them could possibly be reflected upon the people he called family. He made a point of mentioning that himself, that he came from a good family and nothing he did, came from them.

I do understand this woman is in more pain, than anyone should ever be expected to endure. She reminds me of a wounded animal at times, you approach them wanting to help, and they bite and snip at you, not knowing who to trust.. they just lash at everything and everyone, I do not blame her for this, I am not in her shoes, I do not know, and hope to never know what I might do in the same situation! But I am proud to be part of a group who is trying to help, even if they are not sure how to help- but their thoughts, and feelings are in the right place, and I do not appreciate being thrown out as someone who is just like everyone, who might of stated a judgment, or negative opinion towards this woman. I personally, never have.
Some people here have, and they have their reasons, but its not right to trash the entire board for the thoughts of just a few.


I choose not to have an opinion of Maytee, she is a grieving mother and I thank god every day, I am not in her shoes.
I am not trying to solve this crime, but if any thoughts or feelings, or ideas, I have to add to this, helps in any way, I am more than willing to contribute, and I am happy that others are willing to be here, just the same.

Forgive me for my outburst on this, but at some point, they should learn how to aim their words and not just shoot out at every one blindly.

I have not been a perfect mother, I did the best I could, and when I knew better, I did better. I learned. So I personally judge no one.
And perhaps, that is why it is so disturbing, for me to be judged!
sorry for my rave, just had to vent...

[NightOwl]

I don't buy it that there was ever cash in the safe. There may have actually been a safe, but it probably only contained important paperwork and documents that can't be replaced. Besides do you know anyone who actually keeps money in a safe anymore? This isn't 1940 (where everyone stashed cash inside of their homes), and with a struggling economy...Nobody has a hundred thousand dollars in cash. I still firmly believe that the holes in the wall weremerely a diversion to throw cops off, as well as other things that went on inside of that home that night. IMO-This case will be solved only by looking and thinking outside of the box....I think Detectives do need a fresh set of eyes to bring some new light into the investigation.

truth be told. Definately agree with you on the above!

[imsuchawildflower]

Snoopy:: Amen! There, but for the Grace of God, go I.

[YourOtherLeft]

I have some questions about the timeline - there have been so many contradictory reports....
11:00pm TW conversation with JC (reportedly)
1:03am MVC gets phone call from S saying TW not able to reach JC (as reported by MVC)
1:21am MVC calls 911 1^st time (JCSr had already left with TW)
1:24am 1^st welfare check by LE
1:35am LE leaves scene
2:07am MVC calls 911 2^nd time while driving to scene with her cousin
2:11am (approx) LE arrives on scene with MVC, MVC's cousin, JC Sr, TW
2:47am (approx) LE leaves scene
3:50am: MVC calls 911 last time

Why would JC Sr go with TW if they thought she was dangerous?
Do you think the nearly 20 minute lapse between MVC receiving phone call from friend to calling 911 is reasonable considering how upset she was on 911 call?
Did TW see/talk to MVC before MVC called 911?
What time did TW/JC Sr arrive on scene?
Was Z with TW & JC Sr at scene?
When did TW (and Z) leave scene?
MVC says she told JC Sr to let LE leave the 2^nd time and then they would break down door --- doesn't that seem like a lot of time between LE leaving & MVC's 3^rd call?
MVC said that her cousin came running telling MVC that she saw JC tied up, then JC Sr broke down door, went inside, tried to revive unsuccessfully & THEN MVC called 911 -- why not call 911 right away when cousin saw JC tied up? This makes no sense to me.

I'm not accusing MVC of direct involvement, just trying to clear up these questions.

[Lady Cop]

please take tech/usage questions, such as how to multi-quote, to HQ and post a thread to ask. thankyou, that would be appreciated. this is not the place for that.

thanks for tutorial Fibo
i'll be happy if some learn to single-quote correctly.


in re: the all-caps post from FB. consider the source. it was obvious. here:

http://mockforums.net/thread-5562.html

[melissab]

Just a little FYI from pillbilly hell here in FL...If Rx drugs were the choice of JC and LS maybe they did establish a FL connect to buy them or go down themselves. Lots of docs offices here are refusing out of staters and now people are just using addy out of the blue. Now having a relative down here with and address to use is gold to them. Oxycontin has been reformulated making it hell to abuse so the next best thing to them is the 15mg or 30mg oxycodone instant release tablets, meanwhile it is now regulated here so that pharmacies can only order a certain amount per day/wk/month which makes the prescription hard to fill and has caused even more problems than LE knew. What is happening now is people find out when someone is going to the doc, when they will be back and if they got them filled, then the creeps are targeting these people who just filled and robbing them and sometimes killing for the Rx! It's worse now that they are regulating them. Maybe LE and the powers that be are just kicking back and saying, let's speed up the process of the junkies weeding themselves out, lets limit the number of pills given and watch the poor bastards fight over the shit and die for it. Ya know, it wouldn't be a bad idea except we are talking about someone's child, mother, brother, father, etc.. Just horrible! This is another forum until you realize it could be what unfortunately happened to these two kids. What if some hopretendfriend told some dirtbag she knew of someone to rob of pills and the cash they would have on hand from selling said pills, idiots invade and maybe they find nothing and get even more irate and kill because of?

[truth be told]

There is much proof, that kids from a good home can still make bad choices, as well as kids from bad homes, can make good choices.

Judging Maytee for her parenting skills, will add nothing to this case. Its reflective, but really leads nowhere. It proves nothing.


[/quote]

Well, to be honest I have to respectably disagree with you about his mother's parenting skills. A good parent is suppose to love and protect their children from such evil as drugs, violence and the hustle lifestyle. A good parent "does not" introduce pot and smoke it regularly with their own kid as a lifestyle and sell dope to all of his friends like Johnny's mom has been doing for years. I witnessed it, neighbors witnessed it and her own family has even witnessed it. (and yes, all of this does prove credibility and the sort person she is, absolutely no morals.) Maytee was absent from Johnny's life for several years and then when she decided to come back and play mommy...Johnny would do anything he could to get her attention. Like I said before, IMO- Johnny's biggest problem in life was his very own mother.

[truth be told]

[quote] was from snoopy

There is much proof, that kids from a good home can still make bad choices, as well as kids from bad homes, can make good choices.

Judging Maytee for her parenting skills, will add nothing to this case. Its reflective, but really leads nowhere. It proves nothing.

[ALWAYSBITCHEN]

The more Maytee types the more trouble she is going to get herself into and shes announcing her threats very bodly and honestly its starting to piss me off. Shes taking it too damn far now...

Come on now...Dont you think if this was your kid you would be wanting to get revenge..."DONT SAY NO LET JUSTICE DO ITS WORK"because no parents in this world who loved there kids would be thinking that after what they found and how they found him..Well any murder for that matter,but the way they were found I'm sure they want to kill everyone who they thought were invovled....geees!! Just think about how any of would feel if this was our kid...JUST STOP AND THINK PEOPLE how we would feel if this was our kid..NOBODY KNOWS HOW THEY WOULD FEEL unless its happened to you!!

[ALWAYSBITCHEN]

[quote='truth be told' pid='160236' dateline='1303310266']

was from snoopy

There is much proof, that kids from a good home can still make bad choices, as well as kids from bad homes, can make good choices.

Judging Maytee for her parenting skills, will add nothing to this case. Its reflective, but really leads nowhere. It proves nothing.

You couldnt of said that any better!!(IMO)Iam living proof that yeah I have made bad choices in my life,but had a good christian home life when I was growing up.Then my kids yeah they had it kinda rough growing up,but then turned out good..1 in law school for the past 3 yrs. and one is in nursing school ...so yeah I couldnt agree with you more..I think it just depends on each kid because Lord knows there are no 2 kids alike they all think different.

[kitty1]

[quote='Snoopy' pid='160201' dateline='1303276390']
KEEP YOUR HEAD UP MAYTEE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY AT MOCK YOU ARE A GREIVING MOTHER AND NOBODY SHOULD BE POKING FUN AT THAT!!!.

I for one, take offense to this.

If you take offense to every thing that Maytee states on FB then you will be offended often. At one point she stated that she was going to find out the names of anyone posting on this thread and have her husband hurt us. It was a threat to do physical harm to any and all members posting on this thread!

I believe she is just venting!

[kitty1]

Come on now...Dont you think if this was your kid you would be wanting to get revenge..."DONT SAY NO LET JUSTICE DO ITS WORK"because no parents in this world who loved there kids would be thinking that after what they found and how they found him..Well any murder for that matter,but the way they were found I'm sure they want to kill everyone who they thought were invovled....geees!! Just think about how any of would feel if this was our kid...JUST STOP AND THINK PEOPLE how we would feel if this was our kid..NOBODY KNOWS HOW THEY WOULD FEEL unless its happened to you!!

Please pay attention! No one is saying that they know what she is feeling or that what she is feeling is wrong! We are simply saying that she is taking it too far with her threats to do physical harm and her accusations.

[fabulous]

That is exactly what she's trying to do IMO. I believe she is literally trying to make their life a living hell so that they end their own lives.

Correct, or perhaps even a staged suicide? IMO. But the way I see it...the truth is slowly beginning to surface and everyone is attentive.
[/quote]

wait up...WHAT?? I don't see the truth slowly beginning to surface.... have I missed something here????

[Lady Cop]

[quote='Snoopy' pid='160201' dateline='1303276390']
KEEP YOUR HEAD UP MAYTEE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY AT MOCK YOU ARE A GREIVING MOTHER AND NOBODY SHOULD BE POKING FUN AT THAT!!!.

I for one, take offense to this.

If you take offense to every thing that Maytee states on FB then you will be offended often. At one point she stated that she was going to find out the names of anyone posting on this thread and have her husband hurt us. It was a threat to do physical harm to any and all members posting on this thread!

I believe she is just venting!

that was not Maytee. it was this lying imbecile white trash:
on this same page.
in re: the all-caps post from FB. consider the source. it was obvious. here:

http://mockforums.net/thread-5562.html

[Nina]

That is exactly what she's trying to do IMO. I believe she is literally trying to make their life a living hell so that they end their own lives.

Correct, or perhaps even a staged suicide? IMO. But the way I see it...the truth is slowly beginning to surface and everyone is attentive.

wait up...WHAT?? I don't see the truth slowly beginning to surface.... have I missed something here????
[/quote]

If you read all Truth Be Told's posts you will see that she believes the murders were an "elaborate scheme" (her words, not mine) by Maytee and apparently John Sr.

[kitty1]

[quote='YourOtherLeft' pid='160208' dateline='1303283604']
I have some questions about the timeline - there have been so many contradictory reports....

Most of your questions have been discussed at length. Check out page 1051 for timelines and questions related to timeline.

[kitty1]

[quote='kitty1' pid='160265' dateline='1303317631']
[quote='Snoopy' pid='160201' dateline='1303276390']

I for one, take offense to this.

If you take offense to every thing that Maytee states on FB then you will be offended often. At one point she stated that she was going to find out the names of anyone posting on this thread and have her husband hurt us. It was a threat to do physical harm to any and all members posting on this thread!

Please disregard the post above as LC pointed out the mistake already.
I was having a brain malfunction.