(02-17-2011, 04:11 PM)Sean69 Wrote: [quote='jash' pid='129371' dateline='1297972390']
This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.

I agree...huge discrepancy and one that seriously could point to Johnny "knowing" his killer...

Has anyone considered the possibility that Maytee knows MORE
DETAILS THAN TIFFANY KNOWS AND SOONER????

(02-17-2011, 03:53 PM)jash Wrote: I have noticed on MAYTEE's 911 calls, is where the story starts to change and evolve...

1^st 911...Maytee state that this girl just picked up my husband and she said my son was walking out the door to pick her up and the phone dropped and she heard, who r u, what r u doing here. The girl said she drove by the house and it looked ransacked, and all the lights are on. Later, in the same call, Maytee is retelling the story again and says, "She goes out and all the lites are on and cabinets are ransacked."

2^nd call...Maytee says, "Tiff was on the phone with my son when he was walking out and she heard a guy screaming at my son. My son then said, "Who r u, what do u want, get away from us."
Later in call is when she brings up Tiff waiting 2 hours to call. As they pull into driveway, Maytee yells, "I have a feeling you set up my son, he's missing." Then she tells Tiff to talk to 911.

Tiff gets on phone and says, "I was on phone, we all hung up, they were, I called right back to tell him , he was yelling, "I'm on...Bro..who r u? Then...Called rite back and there was nothing. I texted lisa and got no response. After my friends mom got home, I took her car and now Johnny's mom is arguing with me. She then says, "They never showed up. I was calling (JC's phone) and it was ringing and then shut off all of a sudden."

As far as Maytee goes...she keeps adding to the story to ratchet up the emergency status.

1. MAYTEE, not TIFF..says the phone dropped. Tiff never said that but that's what's been put out there.
2. MAYTEE, not TIFF...says "They were walking out the door."
3. MAYTEE, not TIFF....says, "She drove by the house and all the lites are on and the cabinets are ransacked." Tiff said last night that the house thru the window she looked in looked fine and the only light that was on was the one on the stairs. Tiff NEVER said the cabinets were ransacked and all lights were on..MAYTEE did.

Second 911 call..

Maytee takes it up a notch and now says that Tiff was on phone with my son as he was walking out the door and she heard a guy screaming at my son...This is NEWLY added by Maytee cuz in the first 911, the "guy" wasn't heard at all.

Maytee then adds even more by saying that Johnny said "GET AWAY FROM US". Tiff never said he said that in ANY story she has told.


This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Everything else that we blame her for changing her story on isn't really her changing the story...IT is Maytee who has thrown all that extra stuff out there, which is WHY the court of public opinion immediately jumped on Tiff as the culprit. Who wouldn't, when u have the mom saying she said the house was ransacked, cabinets were open, some guy was screaming at my son, the phone dropped....ALL things that Tiff said she NEVER said.

Maytee also changed her story on the JVM show...
VAZQUEZ: She waits two hours. She waits two hours to call a friend of his that knows me and tells the friend, "I think something really bad happened to John and Lisa. I was on the phone with them. I heard such and such," you know, what you repeated on the show earlier. "And I heard Johnny drop the phone. I`ve gone by the house a few times. It looks ransacked. It looks like cabinets and doors are open. I think somebody needs to call Johnny`s mom and tell them something bad has happened."

Now, we have Maytee saying Tiff said something bad happened, and not only are cabinet doors open, all the doors are opened also.

then Maytee says,
VAZQUEZ: No, he did not have any enemies. And actually, Lisa`s boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out of prison a couple months ago

While we know that BD has been in trouble in 2008, it has NOT been shown anywhere that he just was released from prison for robbery...that was HER son...not the ex.

Maytee then says: "The girl told the police that she heard the struggle at 11 at night."

Now it has escalated into a 'STRUGGLE" that Tiff heard a struggle whereas Tiff does not say that in 911 call, nor does she say it here.


Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.

Maytee has a shitload of different stories. JMO

You broke down what I was getting at last night a lot better than I could have. Her knowing about that key bugs me too, unless she has simply had to drop off JC and seen him do that because it doesn't sound as if he had a car? I don't think she was directly involved, but I'd like to hear why she seems to know everything beforehand. I'm guessing she knows the lifestyle and that is why she was scared and then started thinking of ways to get the police to think it was serious enough to enter. I still stand by the fact that I think the dad kicked in the door without looking in a window. I'd love for her to answer questions like Tiffany did.

(02-17-2011, 04:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Has anyone considered the possibility that Maytee knows MORE
DETAILS THAN TIFFANY KNOWS AND SOONER????

I don't really buy that she knew anything. I think she knows what can happen to drug dealers and people involved in gangs and that have spent time in prison and she was scared at the information she was being given. When the police were refusing to act, I think she started making stuff up to try and get them to enter the house. Unfortunately, her intuition was right.

(02-17-2011, 04:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Has anyone considered the possibility that Maytee knows MORE
DETAILS THAN TIFFANY KNOWS AND SOONER????

Absolutely, that's been my opinion all along!!!

(02-17-2011, 04:02 PM)LytoMe Wrote: Amazing what can happen in one day on this forum. A new prospective has definitely been brought into light. I have a question for TIFFANY if she comes back on this forum. What was the conversation like with JOHNNY’S father? I think it would be extremely interesting to hear HIS side of all this…he was the one to initially find how they were left by their killer. I would love to know what he saw…and what was his initial reaction to TIFFANY?

I was wondering the same thing. I heard that Maytee got Tiff's number from Sharita. Maytee called Tiff to verify what was said. Tiff said she did NOT speak to her, but she DID speak to Johnny's dad (about picking him up). So it would be VERY interesting to find out what was said on the phone and in the car on the way to LS parents home.

(02-17-2011, 01:25 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: someone said justice for johnny was gone.
i see it.
it's a ghost town but i see it.

She takes the page down every night and puts it back up whenever she's on.

Quote:I don't think she was directly involved, but I'd like to hear why she seems to know everything beforehand.

Cuz she's psychic..haven't you heard??

Can someone explain to me why Maytee said. "You set him up." to T.

if anyone knows the DOB of Johnny's father, i MAY have his jacket. (police record). DOB is only thing holding me up from posting. BUT nobody thinks he has anything to do with it other than being a principal, he found the bodies. he has my sympathy on his terrible loss as do all the parents and family members.
but i like a complete record. Maytee's has been posted here.

I asked last night but it got passed over; Since TW & "THE MINOR" were both going to LS house; Was JC also picking up the minor the same time as TW,was he waiting w/TW? If not- how was he going to get to LS house?

I have been holding my opinion back for several days now, I have been trying to read as much as I could, listen to as much as I could before I gave my opinion on this case. Maytee, I think, knows too much about a son that moved away from her (as rumor has it). This whole key issue has been going through my mind, as to why she would know this information. And has anyone else heard anything about the key that was taken into evidence? I still would love to know more about this “father/husband” who found them. Anyone have information about his statements? Because honestly in the three (3) 911 calls, I only hear female voices, I don’t recall hearing him at all in all three (3).

I downloaded (I had to find software to do this) TW's 911 call and I transcribed the whole thing, word for word. That's why I didn't respond to Unknown I was transcribing it.

Here it it it:

This is where TW starts:
Maytee tells her do you want to tell the police what you just got done tellin me on the phone? told me?


TW...I will
Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...ok umm My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to come pick me up. me and my friend. from our house and this was like 11 oclock and ummm he ummm I was on the phone with his gf Lisa and then he hung up, and ummm we all hung up, and he said they were on their way and then he...I called Johnny right back cuz I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and then I would meet them at the house.. well ummm he was yellin at somebody like ummm I'm on ... he goes..bro who are you.. and then umm..I called him right back and he didn't answer. so I texted my friend Lisa's phone and and I was like umm where are you are, are you guys okay and they have not answered to me nothing they have not answered the phone and I been callin and callin...callin

So I drove out to their house after umm my friends mom got home and umm nobody answered the door so I drove back by our house to see if maybe they went to his moms house and umm but he wasn't there and ummm so his dad called my phone and I was like do you want a ride out there and he says yeah and I brought him out here and now his moms arguing with me saying I set them up and you know their my friends and Im worried about them and I don't have and you know Im worried about my friends because they were suppose to come pick me up and I mean they never showed up.
911: okay does any have.. what's the son's name, what's her son's name Johnny is that his name?
TW: Yeah, Johnny Clarke
911: Does anybody have his phone number?
TW. Yeah I do but his phones shut off
911: okay
TW: Umm we was callin and it was ringing but then it shut off all of a sudden and then I was callin my friends phone and I been texting her asking her if she okay are they okay cause they wouldn't answer and then I texted her like last I talked to you ummm I heard him arguing and then now all of sudden they haven't picked up the phone or nothing.
911: Okay, are you are there a couple of officers out there?
TW: Yeah, there some officer out here
911: Why don't you go talk to them go talk to them and they can help you. okay
TW: I'll put his mother back on the phone
911: Okay, actually I don't need to talk to her, talk to the officiers.
TW: Okay,
911: Okay
TW: Alright
911: Bye, bye

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)fabulous Wrote: I"m sure I'll be coming off as bitchy and judgemental...but COME ON!!!
people really think that TW logged on last night and answered questions truthfully ?????
she's a major player/suspect in a double homicide/robbery/ DEATH PENALTY case here in Lucas county and you think she's gonna just randomly pop on our forum and start fielding questions by complete strangers?
she is hardcore. her people are hardcore. tthey're criminals. She doesn't have custody of her kids!!!! the facts that we do know speak for themselves!
I'm not buying it!!!
all of the sudden last night she was like blah blah blah "thank you and God Bless you"...OMG COME ON?
she called her friend "minor friend"...hahaha that made me laugh.
her story might "match up" but it's still SHADY.

Shady McShady in my mind and I don't buy half of what she was saying...and I don't even know if I believe that it was her last night posting here...

^^THIS

Tiffany answered some questions. It was the same information that's been discussed from day one. She's certainly savvy enough to get a simple STORY straight and she did that. She was pretty consistent but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure LC has experience that would bear this out.

Tiffany was one of the last known people to have contact with two murdered people. Don't forget that. NOTHING that she said here eliminates her as being a suspect. NOTHING.

I understand that good people want to believe in the goodness of others. I saw it here, last night, with the "sweetheart" this and the "honey" that, and even suggesting that Tiffany write a book and go on speaking tour to help young women. Uh, WAKE THE FUCK UP, already. Did you forget the FB & MySpace pages? The murdered ex who robbed the guy that eventually retaliated and removed him from the gene pool? The three kids with another on the way being around such an environment? How about little kids flashing gang signs? And, all those down ass bytches or whatever the fuck they are. And those wads of cash being flashed around.

People this easily convinced would never stand a chance with the really charming and smart psychos like Bundy. I remember the mother of one of his victims who said that Ted was the guy you always wanted your daughter to bring home. I suggest you crime buffs read up on SOCIOPATHS. Charm and being good liars are their stock in trade.

Now, none of my observations make Tiffany guilty in this case. It remains to be seen as the investigation unfolds. She's guilty of other shit, but not necessarily of involvement in these murders. I sure as hell would not rule her out, though.

Very Good Post indeed .

This is the call TW starts at the 10 minute point.
So you can take what I transcribed and read it word for word, if you want to.

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=576342

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i never in a million years thought maytee had any active involvement in her son's death. she's welcome here as well.

Well, you're the pro, but I wouldn't rule her out, either. I wouldn't trust any of this bunch any further than I could throw them.

(02-17-2011, 04:53 PM)LytoMe Wrote: I have been holding my opinion back for several days now, I have been trying to read as much as I could, listen to as much as I could before I gave my opinion on this case. Maytee, I think, knows too much about a son that moved away from her (as rumor has it). This whole key issue has been going through my mind, as to why she would know this information. And has anyone else heard anything about the key that was taken into evidence? I still would love to know more about this “father/husband” who found them. Anyone have information about his statements? Because honestly in the three (3) 911 calls, I only hear female voices, I don’t recall hearing him at all in all three (3).

In the 2^nd 911 call, before 911 talks to Tiff, I heard Maytee ask about is that Johnny's phone. Then Maytee said it was her parents calling. I thought I could hear a mans voice say "he doesn't want to deal with it" (or something to that extent)

(02-17-2011, 09:12 AM)DCTim Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:46 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:42 PM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:28 PM)Love Hippos Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:25 PM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: Im sorry But ...I still dont believe anything TW says. Sorry...I think she was involved in my opinion.

I have to say I agree, but I'll be happy to eat my words if it turns out she's innocent.

I glad someone is agreeing! Her answers to the questions were not jiving. Also why cant you answer....that they( JC AND LS) were into drugs or not, you putting everything else out there.

from what I gather, Johnny & Lisa were her friends. I wouldn't answer questions like that about my deceased friends either, if it were me.

Agree with Jane. Besides, her non-answer was pretty much an answer in itself, kwim? I mean, if they def were not into drugs, she probably would've said so.

While I can appreciate not commenting on whether J&S were doing drugs, anyone with a fucking brain knows the answer to that. And it wasn't some innocuous hippie shit, like weed and shrooms.

(02-17-2011, 04:40 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: if anyone knows the DOB of Johnny's father, i MAY have his jacket. (police record). DOB is only thing holding me up from posting. BUT nobody thinks he has anything to do with it other than being a principal, he found the bodies. he has my sympathy on his terrible loss as do all the parents and family members.
but i like a complete record. Maytee's has been posted here.

I do believe Johnny's dad is 42.
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRB-88-10302-0101 CLARKE, JOHN PETE 07/16/1969 CRIMINAL TRESPASS