(02-17-2011, 08:32 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Thanks EastCoastKat
Thanks for the complete transcription of the second 911 call.
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I find it so eerie that "cells phones on their bodies" are confirmed in subsequent 911 calls that morning

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We beg you, come forward, come forward and let us all have some peace. And that poor girl! They did not deserve to die.

911 OPERATOR: Cell phones on their bodies?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With cell phones on their bodies!

911 OPERATOR: She`s unclothed with pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She only has pants on! And their hands are tied!

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right, we`ll get them out there, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: I need you to calm down. We`ll get them out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God! Please hurry!

911 OPERATOR: All right. We will.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Longacre Drive! Longacre Lane!

911 OPERATOR: I have the address. We`ll get them out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good-bye!

(02-17-2011, 08:01 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Unknown Wrote: Honestly. You all act like she got on here an said something different then what she told LE. Her story hasn't changed. why would it. shes not going to confess on an online forum. This is a lie right here "if i knew who did this yes i would tell the police." That's coming from a "DOWN ASS BITCH WHO RIDES FOR HER NIGAS AND BITCHES." Her boyfriends hates snitches. I mean utterly hates snitches. I've show personal proof of her boyfriend having a Tattoo on his forearm that says STOP SNITCHING and shirts and other clothing that says snitches need to hang and we'll cut your fucking throat.

Gives a new perspective on a potential motive beyond robbery. IIRC T said that JC snitched on someone to get out of prison early, right? In her mind this was a revenge killing. Perhaps the snitch rumor was partial justification in the minds of those who hate "snitches"?

http://www.facebook.com/475Entertainment



Robbery and a dead snitch. A two-fer. LS was perhaps collateral damage.

yes, she did say that and when I asked for further info she chose not to answer.

That awful FB page shows what total dirtbags these people are.

(02-17-2011, 08:34 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:30 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:18 PM)JsMom Wrote: I can kinda see why M is "crazy" I went crazy a few times after buring my son and he didnt die the way these kids did! I FEEL SOOOO BAD FOR BOTH FAMILIES I REALLY DO! I know the hurt/pain! It eases up but IT NEVER GOES AWAY! especially if u seen it first hand! Like M/J did when they found their son and Like I did when we pulled mine out of the pool! =( HURTS SO BAD!

He's darling Miranda. Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry once again.

I understand this will come across as cold & callous but it has to be said. That particular conversation should have its own thread if you care to continue it, this really isn't the place for it. Thanks!

OK

(02-17-2011, 04:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Has anyone considered the possibility that Maytee knows MORE
DETAILS THAN TIFFANY KNOWS AND SOONER????

YES!

(02-17-2011, 08:50 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:48 PM)djsecretary Wrote: So I just found out that the Administrator for the Facebook page for Johnny and Lisa removed me and also blocked me, because I told them that they should not attack Tiffany (they kept posting and posting questions, which she wasn't responding to) and told them that they Police and FBI know what they are doing and how to do it! I am really pissed, I live right down the street from the Straub Family. I was not bashing on anybody but simply stating what I felt. I want this murderer caught as much as they do. I heard from several people that were a part of that group as soon as the administrator didn't like the comment you post they remove you! That page was not about the administrator it was about JOHNNY AND LISA!

the page is closed again now.

see this:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4854.html

So this page closes down because the administrator feels like closing it? Or is it because of something else?!?

it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

(02-17-2011, 08:42 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

But I also think the killers specifically placed JC cell on his body as a statement about what brought this murder to bare on JC and LS

I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

(02-17-2011, 09:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

I love mock

(02-17-2011, 08:05 PM)JsMom Wrote: PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME SO IMA JUST POST WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SON

Child succumbs to lack of
oxygen after pool accident

Miranda L has made the toughest decision of her life - to have her child taken off of life support.

Yet the Chapel Hill woman summoned inner strength on Wednesday to talk publicly about the chain of events that led to such a difficult decision on Tuesday afternoon.

Miranda's twin 3-year-old boys, Javone and Lavone, were playing outside Friday afternoon as active youngsters will, but the silence was broken by Javone's cries to help his brother, she said. During the short time the boys were left alone, they managed to climb up the water pump to the above ground swimming pool in the backyard.

"They had been sick for days with the flu and got better Friday," Miranda said. "We always let them play outside and would peek out to check on them."

The boys had never tried to climb up to the pool, and the entry gate to gain entry to the deck has always been locked, the shaken mother said.

But Lavon ended up in the swimming pool.

"Never turn your back for even a second," Miranda said. "Keep your kids close at all times because it's all you have."

Eric Armstrong, the twins' father, rushed to save Lavone. The child's family and neighbors administered CPR until Marshall County Emergency Management Services arrived.

Upon arrival at the Marshall Medical Center, Lavone was in cardiac arrest and placed on life support devices until the helicopter ambulance arrived.

At Vanderbilt Medical Center, Lavone was placed on numerous medications and life support devices, but nothing could reverse Lavone's low brain activity since he was deprived of oxygen too long.

Vanderbilt doctors explained to Miranda that after three minutes of no oxygen to the brain, a child's brain will die.

Family and friends quickly gathered at Vanderbilt offering support and condolences.

"When I took Javone to see his brother at the hospital he just stared and leaned his head on me," Miranda said. "He said that brother had a boo-boo and that brother was sick. He kept on saying, 'Brother is in the pool.'"

When the decision was made that Lavone would have no quality of life and should be taken off of life support, loved ones surrounded Lavone, but Miranda could not bear to be there for the death of her toddler son.

"I was more the rock before, but Eric is now," Miranda said. "I just couldn't watch."

Miranda now faces the heartache of explaining to her 3-year-old son that his twin brother will not be coming home.

"I don't know how to start to tell him," she said. "We're trying not to cry too much in front of him, but he is a twin, so I think he knows."

Through her pain, Miranda managed to reminisce about the fun times she spent with Lavone.

"He beat up his brother all the time, loved to wrestle with his dad, and do karate moves," Miranda said. "Lavone was curious and always on the go."

"Looking at Javone will be a little comforting, seeing Lavone's face in him," the mother of twins said.

Miranda said she plans to attend counseling with Javone, but nothing can fully mend her broken heart.

"I love him, and I'm going to miss him very much," Miranda said. "My thoughts are always with him."

Visitation for Lavone L will be 3-4 this afternoon for family, and 4-8 p.m. for family and friends at Funeral Home

THANK YOU~SORRY

Miranda, I am so sorry about your child. I know someone who lost a three year old in a creek while camping. It can happen in the blink of an eye.

God bless your Lavone and your family.

(02-17-2011, 09:10 PM)Unknown Wrote: I love mock

Mock loves you back!

(02-17-2011, 08:58 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:53 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:35 PM)mick45 Wrote: I totally agree with you Nash...I dont think it was her.

Whoever it was had access to TW's facebook account and had been in contact with another FB member, who posts here. I'd say it was her, or an associate.

I sent a FB message to her last night. I'm with you; I believe it was her, or someone was using her FB acct.. Had to one or the other!

Her account probably....Someone other than her typing or coaching her I would believe.

as i said, i did not verify her. but i have reason to believe it was she.

(02-17-2011, 08:48 PM)djsecretary Wrote: So I just found out that the Administrator for the Facebook page for Johnny and Lisa removed me and also blocked me, because I told them that they should not attack Tiffany (they kept posting and posting questions, which she wasn't responding to) and told them that they Police and FBI know what they are doing and how to do it! I am really pissed, I live right down the street from the Straub Family. I was not bashing on anybody but simply stating what I felt. I want this murderer caught as much as they do. I heard from several people that were a part of that group as soon as the administrator didn't like the comment you post they remove you! That page was not about the administrator it was about JOHNNY AND LISA!

SHES RIDICULOUS She blocks everyone! Shes useless as tits on a nun! She shouldnt have a damn page up for someone she dont even know! Thats even more ridiculous! SHE NEEDS TO DO HERSELF A FAVOR AND BLOCK HER OWN ASS!

(02-17-2011, 09:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

HHMMMMM......That's just a little bit strange, but whatever floats her boat I guess?!? Thanks for the response!

(02-17-2011, 09:04 PM)shitstorm Wrote: yes, she did say that and when I asked for further info she chose not to answer.

Yes. When asked about hunches she definitely didn't think robbery was a motive. No sir. Punched out walls, be damned!

I must pull my obsessed ass away from this convo.

One parting thought. If I recall the Toledo Police are now involved? I can't help but think that a suspect may live in Toledo. LC, might that be a reason for their involvement?


I'll be back to celebrate an arrest, hopefully soon! Carry on good people.

(02-17-2011, 05:19 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i never in a million years thought maytee had any active involvement in her son's death. she's welcome here as well.

Well, you're the pro, but I wouldn't rule her out, either. I wouldn't trust any of this bunch any further than I could throw them.

i will eat my combat boots if Maytee actively plotted the death of her 'baby boy'. i would be genuinely shocked, and it takes a lot to shock me.

I don't think she plotted her son's death, but I DO think, in a round-about-way, it could have happened. It wouldn't shock me to find out SHE set up a robbery of the home, thinking him & Lisa wouldn't be there. Yes, I know that's far-fetched, but I think there's a slight possibility of it.

(02-17-2011, 05:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Did Tiff actually say she saw tied up bodies?

No, she didn't, TC

(02-17-2011, 09:14 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:48 PM)djsecretary Wrote: So I just found out that the Administrator for the Facebook page for Johnny and Lisa removed me and also blocked me, because I told them that they should not attack Tiffany (they kept posting and posting questions, which she wasn't responding to) and told them that they Police and FBI know what they are doing and how to do it! I am really pissed, I live right down the street from the Straub Family. I was not bashing on anybody but simply stating what I felt. I want this murderer caught as much as they do. I heard from several people that were a part of that group as soon as the administrator didn't like the comment you post they remove you! That page was not about the administrator it was about JOHNNY AND LISA!

SHES RIDICULOUS She blocks everyone! Shes useless as tits on a nun! She shouldnt have a damn page up for someone she dont even know! Thats even more ridiculous! SHE NEEDS TO DO HERSELF A FAVOR AND BLOCK HER OWN ASS!

So let me get this straight, the Administrator isn't a relative?!? Just somebody who felt like opening a page for Johnny and Lisa!?!?!?!? Sorry I'm new at all of this!

(02-17-2011, 03:48 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Unknown Wrote: Honestly. You all act like she got on here an said something different then what she told LE. Her story hasn't changed. why would it. shes not going to confess on an online forum. This is a lie right here "if i knew who did this yes i would tell the police." That's coming from a "DOWN ASS BITCH WHO RIDES FOR HER NIGAS AND BITCHES." Her boyfriends hates snitches. I mean utterly hates snitches. I've show personal proof of her boyfriend having a Tattoo on his forearm that says STOP SNITCHING and shirts and other clothing that says snitches need to hang and we'll cut your fucking throat. Yes these are the type of people she hangs out with. What you saw on here was proper Tiffany, but she has a whole other side to her which you know nothing about. Notice she wont go into questions about her own life? She wont answer anything about drugs. And she states " ...come on its all rumors what they saying about me. so that should tell you something." I can guarantee you what I have said on here personally has not been rumors. She say "it is true they used the garage door to get in the house" no one knows how they entered or exited through the house. She states "no i was not going alone another one of are friends was going also. Another one of her friends was going also? which indicates 2 people were going with her over to LS. She states johnny said " bro who are you" then she said he said he kept sayn "bro wut r u doin" which one is it?

*Finds it to be just hilarious that her boyfriend was sitting at home doing a paper for school. Maybe we wants to upgrade to blue collar crimes.

I want to know even though it wont get answered is, In the past month was she doing Percocets with JC & LS? The first night she & ZB went over to LS house were they doing Percocets then? Did JC call you or ZB the day of the murders looking for Percocets? Did they call you or ZB any other time that day? If yes what did you talk about? Did LS Show you around the house? When you went to the house the first time how did you enter? Did you know of the spare key to enter the garage door on the side of the garage? When was the last time you went to bed bath and beyond? do you know anyone who works in home improvement or anything to do with duct work? Do you know of anyone capable of committing a crime like this? Was LS flirting with ZB the first night or the opposite?

I agree these are very important points to be pursued.

Last night, I may have offended by asking that the Q & A with Tiffany not be interrupted by accusations, but that was not intended as an endorsement of her credibility.

I know more than a bit about direct and cross examination and it is important to first always give the witness or interviewee the opportunity to answer all questions posed in a non-accusatory manner, covering all aspects, before any confrontational remarks or questions. Otherwise, it is just a lesson in how to fix your story.

We are also at a disadvantage here because we are unable to observe the demeanor of the person during Q & A.

I did get the feeling that this was really Tiffany from the way she answered the questions and knew details of the events; but I had a hard time reconciling her remarkable command of the English language with the way she talks on her Facebook page. It is even possible, although not probable, that this could have been a combination of the real Tiffany sitting and providing response in street talk to another person composing it into understandable English, fixing details that didn't fit, and typing out responses that looked good and sounded convincing.

We don't know. I hope that is not true. I hope that Tiffany is willing to come back and continue the conversation and now be willing to respond to more challenging questions as suggested above by Unknown and others.

Once again I apologize for just catching up, but simply, Unkown has ALWAYS been a defender of JC and LS and stated things that could cause him or her harm without fear! I applaud unknown and I think unkown is right on the money. Thanks Tiff for your time. But the last question really hit home for me who has always seen this as a jealousy driven crime...Did LS flirt with ZB or was it the opposite...OUCH!!!! Thanks unkown I think you are a brave soul who will eventually help crack this case wide open!

(02-17-2011, 05:28 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

I thought that same exact thing when she said, "I was calling, and it was ringing, then it suddenly stopped."

exactly! That's what she meant by the phone went dead