(02-20-2011, 08:43 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:38 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:29 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I think you are right. But either way, the phone call records would show who he was on the phone with and what time.
Tiffany says to the 911 dispatcher that she was on the phone with both of them but then Johnny hung up. Does that mean they were passing Lisa's cell phone back and forth talking to Tiffany?

Did anybody else catch this?

Yes, I caught that too. I don't think she had her story straight at that point and wanted to keep her options open about who she spoke to.

Yeah I caught that too, and thought maybe she was doing 3 way, but who knows....if this call was even with Johnny or with whomever had Johnny's phone!

It's confusing because after that Tiffany says she tried calling Johnny's and Lisa's phones and texting Lisa.

1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)

2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718

(02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.

Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.

(02-20-2011, 08:31 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:29 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:25 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:20 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:15 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: According to Tiffany she was on the phone with Johnny at 11 when all the ruckus went down, are you sure about the time?

I think quite a few people can verify that Lisa's shift was over at 11pm and that is when Johnny picked her up from work. So the Tiffany phone call was more likely 11:15 - 11:30pm.

i'm pretty positive that Lisa's shift was over at 10

I think you are right. But either way, the phone call records would show who he was on the phone with and what time.
Tiffany says to the 911 dispatcher that she was on the phone with both of them but then Johnny hung up. Does that mean they were passing Lisa's cell phone back and forth talking to Tiffany?

Did anybody else catch this?

yes. i think they were just passing phone back and forth imo

Who knows, even if a call came from Tiffany's phone, HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW IF IT WAS JOHNNY OR LISA THAT WAS ON THE OTHER END? I have wondered about that....

(02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: 1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)

2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718

That map they showed sucks There's no way to determine if any of the busts were close to persons of interest mentioned here without actual names of streets or atleast zipcodes.

(02-20-2011, 08:42 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:39 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

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Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......

The doctor thinks they died sometime the week of the 31^st...

My faith in my television morticians has just been ruined.

(02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.

Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.

Yep

Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??

(02-20-2011, 08:39 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......

EXACTLY!! So, if this wasn't misinformation from the reporters, then LE has information that throws off the timeline as we "know" it. Does anyone remember something about one of the LE visits to the house and being able to hear the tv and lights on, and then another visit and the tv and lights were off? If so, maybe they believe the murderes were actually still there????

(02-20-2011, 08:50 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: 1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)

2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718

That map they showed sucks There's no way to determine if any of the busts were close to persons of interest mentioned here without actual names of streets or atleast zipcodes.

One was by Whittier Elementary School, that's all I got from it.

(02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.

Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.

Yep

Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??

Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?

(02-20-2011, 08:55 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:39 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......

Yep I do remember the tv and lights on, then tv and lights off, but I can't remember where I read that??? Anyone else?

EXACTLY!! So, if this wasn't misinformation from the reporters, then LE has information that throws off the timeline as we "know" it. Does anyone remember something about one of the LE visits to the house and being able to hear the tv and lights on, and then another visit and the tv and lights were off? If so, maybe they believe the murderes were actually still there????

(02-20-2011, 05:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 01:41 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Here's my avatar, as LC requested.

I think these angels' faces need to be seen on their thread.

My you both rest in paradise and receive justice soon, Johnny and Lisa.

When Tiffany was here and posting, I put up this picture of Lisa:




There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting.

I find that interesting as well. She was beautiful. Johnny was handsome. Although I didnt know her or him, this case has really gotten to me. After seeing the video the friend made for Lisa, I cried. If Tiff was truly a friend, she really didnt convince me of it with her little appearance on this thread. I kept on thinking this girl Tiff hasnt once said, "when I found out about the murders I cried and cried as I was trying to help as I knew something wasnt right.. that is why I was desperating trying to reach the mother". I just didnt get any kind of empathy from her about Johnny and Lisa. I also would have thought maybe she would have said...OMG...my friends were murdered and Im scared because I was last person to be on the phone with them and I was there knocking on the door. IMO she is involved in some way....and she knows more than she is saying. Her stories have different versions. I just dont believe her. Period. I certainly glad Tiff isnt my friend..although I have came across people who remind me of her and I am glad I dont give them the time of day.

(02-20-2011, 08:56 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:53 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.

Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.

Yep

Yep I said that before, and here on the board Tiffany said Johnny said he would call her back while he was arguing with someone, so yeah, why would they take their time... and now I have been thinking even if there was a phone call, whose to say it was Johnny or Lisa that Tiffany was talking to??

Cell phone records will show if Tiffany was connected on the line to Lisa or Johnny and the length of the phone call. Unless you all are inferring that Tiffany may have been on Johnny's phone talking to the intruders?

BINGO....a possibility!

(02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

That's the way the M.E. does it here in Toledo, not sure if it's the same in other places. The time of death is listed from the last time a person(s) is known to be alive & found deceased.

(02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: 1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)

2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718

The only place I recognized was on Colton St in South Toledo. As a matter of fact alot of the people metioned hang out in this area

(02-20-2011, 08:59 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:45 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: 1. The story here says that there were many people picked up for
drugs in Toledo this week. Where can one get the names of
those picked up? (Where I live their names are put in the paper
with their photographs.)

2. There is a map where the houses were raided, almost showing
the streets. Does anyone know if any of these spots were where
any of our persons of interest live?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7968718

The only place I recognized was on Colton St in South Toledo. As a matter of fact alot of the people metioned hang out in this area

Colton street is right near where tiff lives!! yes the map sucks!!

(02-20-2011, 05:45 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: This was posted at another site I go to for updates:
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH!

1^ST. PERSON:
I was just told to be careful and to keep my doors locked because the police have a suspect that lives a few streets away. They questioned the neighbors as to when they last saw him and said he is a suspect in a double homicide. They have been there several times to arrest him and he has not been home. I can't believe this! I was just told to be careful and keep my doors locked 2 weeks ago because there was a murder suspect a few streets away. The next thing I knew the area was swarming with undercover agents and dogs..... They arrested the man that shot and killed his boss from that fork lift company that very evening!

2N PERSON:
sounds like you need to move

1^ST PERSON:
Believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than once. I've lived here for four years and during this time it's been very peaceful. It's just been the last few weeks that it's gotten a little crazy. Someone busted the neighbors door in a few weeks ago at 8 in the evening. I heard the noise. It sounded like a car crash it was so loud. She was in bed(she has to get up early) and came out yelling "What the hell" It scared them and they took off.. She doesn't own any modern eletronics and has a 15 yr old tv. She said she's going to put a sign up that says if you want my tv just ask... Don't break my door. How Sad!!!

2^ND PERSON:
Adding. if you're referring to the suspect in the Clarke, Straub murders, what are the initials of the suspect in question, if you don't mind my asking?

1^ST PERSON:
I was told that it is concerning the murder of Lisa and Johnny. I have no idea of what his initials are. I don't believe the neighbors know him personally. From what I was told he knows he's a suspect and has been hiding out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if this guy has anything to do with the case they'll find him soon.

WOW, I WONDER IF THIS IS TRUE???

Thanks. Comments from around the web are worth reading. We shall see if it's accurate.

(02-20-2011, 08:58 PM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 05:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 01:41 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Here's my avatar, as LC requested.

I think these angels' faces need to be seen on their thread.

My you both rest in paradise and receive justice soon, Johnny and Lisa.

When Tiffany was here and posting, I put up this picture of Lisa:




There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting.

I find that interesting as well. She was beautiful. Johnny was handsome. Although I didnt know her or him, this case has really gotten to me. After seeing the video the friend made for Lisa, I cried. If Tiff was truly a friend, she really didnt convince me of it with her little appearance on this thread. I kept on thinking this girl Tiff hasnt once said, "when I found out about the murders I cried and cried as I was trying to help as I knew something wasnt right.. that is why I was desperating trying to reach the mother". I just didnt get any kind of empathy from her about Johnny and Lisa. I also would have thought maybe she would have said...OMG...my friends were murdered and Im scared because I was last person to be on the phone with them and I was there knocking on the door. IMO she is involved in some way....and she knows more than she is saying. Her stories have different versions. I just dont believe her. Period. I certainly glad Tiff isnt my friend..although I have came across people who remind me of her and I am glad I dont give them the time of day.

i agree and i also thought that it was strange that tiff left when the police arrived. if u were such a friend wouldn't u stick around until u knew they were ok? but then again tiff has had more than her share of encounters with the police.

(02-20-2011, 08:55 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:39 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

gee, thanks. they were seen alive within 6 hours of being found......

EXACTLY!! So, if this wasn't misinformation from the reporters, then LE has information that throws off the timeline as we "know" it. Does anyone remember something about one of the LE visits to the house and being able to hear the tv and lights on, and then another visit and the tv and lights were off? If so, maybe they believe the murderes were actually still there????

I know of NO official statement saying that but I do have a post from early in the thread stating just that: I submit it here and its date and time and posters name:

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

(02-20-2011, 08:46 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:40 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hi this is my first time posting, but I have been reading the post for days.I am a Springfield resident and have 2 kids One graduated with Lisa. One thing I want to clear up is Springfield is not this thug free quaint little town everybody says it is. We have our share of drug dealers and thugs. We have low income apartments here named Oakwood nickname Cokewood. They are full of drugs. We have little rich kids that I know for fact deal drugs and thier lawyer parents get them out of the shit. Alot of ppl around here let their kids run wild and do whatever they want to do.This is not a rich area mostly middle class. Just wanted to clear that up for the ppl who are not familiar with Holland/Springfield. The one thing that makes me think that TW is involved is When the perps confronted Johnny he was on the phone wouldnt they be worried that the person on the other end of the phone would call the police right away??? It dosent seem to me like they were in that big of a hurry. Unless they knew who was on the other end. JMO.

Thanks for this honest report! We need to hear the other side.

Ditto, night all - don't let the bed bugs bite.