Let's not respond to Maytee's comments.


This is just a thread of people who care that Johnny and Lisa experienced this tragedy and want to see the killers caught and given the death penalty (preferably by slow torture).

(02-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:44 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:41 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:33 PM)Free_Dom Wrote: Maytee wrote on the RIP Johnny Page

RIP Johnny You people on that mock forum are low life pathetic skum poor excuses for human life how dare you say that me and my son dont get along we are best friends and always have been...how dare you try to blame our family or johnny for what these evil demons did to him and lisa you people disgust me i want to vomit all you p...eople dont know anything what you can do is do the world a favor and choke on your evil tongues

damn!

Have I mentioned publicly that I like witches? *looks around* lol

If any of you see this post.....allow your cursor to hover to the right of it.
An X will be shown. Click it. A tab will come up and you can click and
tag it as abuse. If enough of us do it, it will be yanked by FB.
Time for ACTION.

(02-20-2011, 08:06 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: It's real hard for me to feel sorry for someone like Maytee, she's a very mean and nasty person, just about everything that comes out of her mouth is filth. I can only imagine how she has/is raising her children. You do reap what you sow. She's living proof.

I'm 'on the same page' as you, Red!

(02-20-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Let's not respond to Maytee's comments.


This is just a thread of people who care that Johnny and Lisa experienced this tragedy and want to see the killers caught and given the death penalty (preferably by slow torture).

Agree, it's not about her.

(02-20-2011, 07:41 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: welcome SayWhat123 ~~

Thanks L.C

(02-20-2011, 07:23 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:20 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:02 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.

Not to slam the coroner but, I could have given that exact same answer without even seeing the bodies.

Yes...Vague isn't it....but I put it out there as statements are posted questioning the original and equally vague TOD as 1AM- to 4AM. The more recent "6 hours before being found" actually allows for the possibility of TOD before 11pm and makes speculation of the entire cronology which is based alot on TWs statements come into question. Especially the 11pm impression that LS and JC were alive and on the phone so if someone needs an alibi here it is....If the killer perpetrated the crime between 10-11pm and establishes his where abouts at 11pm. he has an alibi.....thanks to the belief we all all working under...that 11pm phone call.

It is accurate because Lisa was at work until 11pm. Johnny picked her up from work when her shift was over and they went to Lisa's house.

According to Tiffany she was on the phone with Johnny at 11 when all the ruckus went down, are you sure about the time?

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

(02-20-2011, 04:52 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:40 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: LC (and anyone else) what about the early reports that the parents did not believe the bags and tape were from their house? do you think this was a mistake or false information? do you think the bags and tape were brought to haul away whatever they were there to take as some have suggested? or to secure johnny and lisa as they took what they wanted?

do you think if this was a robbery motive that they did not mean for johnny and lisa to be there? if it was someone they knew or were acquainted with i would think they'd want to enter when johnny and lisa were away to avoid being identified, unless murder was in the plans? (to those of you who will say they may have worn ski masks... there are other ways to ID besides seeing someone's face). unless it was someone they knew that "set them up" and sent people they wouldn't be familiar with???

sorry i'm rambling... it might not make sense as i'm typing as my thoughts come...

I think it's vital to know whether or not the bags came from the Straub residence or were brought in. If they were brought in it is VITAL to know what kind of bags they were, i.e. clear, grocery, garbage sized, etc., in order to try to figure out what the intentions for the bags were.

I think LC's point is that it doesn't matter why this happened, it doesn't matter who did it or how, the DNA and crime scene evidence will be the proof for the convicitions. Correct?

I was reading on one of the other sites the other day, posted by someone like Unknown or Grieving Friend - someone with intimate knowledge of information - that the bags and tape were from Bed Bath & Beyond, and implied that they were brought to the house.

(02-20-2011, 08:11 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:06 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: It's real hard for me to feel sorry for someone like Maytee, she's a very mean and nasty person, just about everything that comes out of her mouth is filth. I can only imagine how she has/is raising her children. You do reap what you sow. She's living proof.

I'm 'on the same page' as you, Red!

You know Maytee really layed the murders at Lisa's door on a syndicated television show, so she is kind of getting was she sowed!

(02-20-2011, 07:46 PM)Whats Up Wrote: is AP the same person as AG? Can you tell me Mr Z's first name?

yes. AP is what they call him. I think Paul is his middle name. AG are his actual initials.

(02-20-2011, 05:40 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: And the drama continues.....


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...5756296730

Lisa Straub - Injustice A major investigation into why and who killed Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke in Springfield township is underway. Investigators discovered white baggie pieces, a light blue lighter and a Ziploc bag on the kitchen floor. In the home of Lisa Straub on various kitchen countertops a digital scale, two knives and central security documents were found.

The list of collected evidence goes on, including a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The items were seized -- taken as evidence -- during a search of the home owned by Lisa Straub's parents. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

They also found a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The warrant also describes black/pink interband pants under Straub's neck. Her wrists were taped together, but not her ankles. Johnny Clarke's ankles were taped up.

That's one of many details investigators are trying to sort through in the search for a killer or killers. Johny Clarke has a troubled past including time spent in prison. As prayers go out to the family of Johnny, the family is probaly asking themselves if they could have done something to prevent this. Clarke’s mother certainly has not lived her life as a good example for her son. As speculation surrounds who John Clarke may have told the house’s owners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?
about an hour ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez You fucking evil bitch iam the best mom any son could want n proud they proud to have i did everything for my boys. you stupid ignorant cunt iam very proud of my sons and you are a satanic demon and dont know what the fuck your talking about you evil piece of trash karma is on her way to you and i hope you choke on your tongue you piece of shit worthless excuse for life it should be people like you killed and not our kids ypu pathetic skum i wish you ill will watch how karma devours you
52 minutes ago

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
42 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell WOAH!!! Im so sick of this "troubled past of Johnnys" he made a bad choice in WHO he hung out with and that got him into trouble he did nothing!!! He didn't have a "troubled past" i grew up with him and ALLL OF OUR PARENTS broke their backs...
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40 minutes ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez She keeps deleting some of my stuff too
35 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell I'm sick of this shit! It's so rude and heartless. You people do begging u can to drive a grieving family insane and hurt them and bash the victim and his parents?
33 minutes ago

Tracey Schuette this shit is fuckin ridiculous ! we all have a fucking past ! and weve all done dumb ass shit in our lives ITS CALLED LIFE ! how dare you even try to say what kind of mother maytee is ! you dont kno 1 fucking thing about her. and why the f...
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Posting it before it's deleted.

Someone who has to defend their parenting so vehemently must feel guilty inside. Her outrage is almost like a compensation mechanism for how she really feels. I don't know how she can be outraged about her sons death yet wish it on almost everyone she comes in contact with. She has every right to be outraged, but what's with the threats? That makes you no better than them.

(02-20-2011, 08:15 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:23 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: It is accurate because Lisa was at work until 11pm. Johnny picked her up from work when her shift was over and they went to Lisa's house.

According to Tiffany she was on the phone with Johnny at 11 when all the ruckus went down, are you sure about the time?

I thought Lisa finished work at 10 that night?

(02-20-2011, 08:17 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:46 PM)Whats Up Wrote: is AP the same person as AG? Can you tell me Mr Z's first name?

yes. AP is what they call him. I think Paul is his middle name. AG are his actual initials.

I do believe the P is for Patrick.

(02-20-2011, 08:15 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:23 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:20 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:02 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.

Not to slam the coroner but, I could have given that exact same answer without even seeing the bodies.

Yes...Vague isn't it....but I put it out there as statements are posted questioning the original and equally vague TOD as 1AM- to 4AM. The more recent "6 hours before being found" actually allows for the possibility of TOD before 11pm and makes speculation of the entire cronology which is based alot on TWs statements come into question. Especially the 11pm impression that LS and JC were alive and on the phone so if someone needs an alibi here it is....If the killer perpetrated the crime between 10-11pm and establishes his where abouts at 11pm. he has an alibi.....thanks to the belief we all all working under...that 11pm phone call.

It is accurate because Lisa was at work until 11pm. Johnny picked her up from work when her shift was over and they went to Lisa's house.

According to Tiffany she was on the phone with Johnny at 11 when all the ruckus went down, are you sure about the time?

I think quite a few people can verify that Lisa's shift was over at 11pm and that is when Johnny picked her up from work. So the Tiffany phone call was more likely 11:15 - 11:30pm.

(02-20-2011, 08:12 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Let's not respond to Maytee's comments.


This is just a thread of people who care that Johnny and Lisa experienced this tragedy and want to see the killers caught and given the death penalty (preferably by slow torture).

Agree, it's not about her.

Maytee is free to have an opinion of us just like we are free to post here.

Personally, I would be honored that a bunch of people who didn't know Johnny personally would care that he died.

(02-20-2011, 07:53 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:44 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:41 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:33 PM)Free_Dom Wrote: Maytee wrote on the RIP Johnny Page

RIP Johnny You people on that mock forum are low life pathetic skum poor excuses for human life how dare you say that me and my son dont get along we are best friends and always have been...how dare you try to blame our family or johnny for what these evil demons did to him and lisa you people disgust me i want to vomit all you p...eople dont know anything what you can do is do the world a favor and choke on your evil tongues

damn!

Have I mentioned publicly that I like witches? *looks around* lol

Well Maytee, you should have thought of that before you opened your big mouth on JVM, laying it a Lisa's feet.

(02-20-2011, 08:16 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.



the only thing precise about time of death in any case, is that it can never be precise. too many variables.
unless of course they are seen to die.

Here is one place where I read that the time of murder was between 1am and 4am. I just found it strange that 1am was suggested as the earliest time of death, since Tiffany's call was around 11pm. Just seems that the time of death would be estimated as sometime between 11pm-4am, rather than sometime between 1am-4am. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. It seems like I read/heard this several places, because it has stuck with me. This is an article that I found on Fox Toledo.

"Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said."


http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

While i was making dinner I had to stop to let my dog in...When he came inside he tracked snow all over and that is when I thought about the blood being all over the Straub house. The perps had to have walked in it making footprints. I have read about crimes being solved with the aide of shoeprints. If the killers are young wannabe 'bangers" there would probably be some high class tennis shoe prints. Not boots because the snow had melted away. IMO

(02-20-2011, 08:15 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:23 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:20 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:02 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.

Not to slam the coroner but, I could have given that exact same answer without even seeing the bodies.

Yes...Vague isn't it....but I put it out there as statements are posted questioning the original and equally vague TOD as 1AM- to 4AM. The more recent "6 hours before being found" actually allows for the possibility of TOD before 11pm and makes speculation of the entire cronology which is based alot on TWs statements come into question. Especially the 11pm impression that LS and JC were alive and on the phone so if someone needs an alibi here it is....If the killer perpetrated the crime between 10-11pm and establishes his where abouts at 11pm. he has an alibi.....thanks to the belief we all all working under...that 11pm phone call.

It is accurate because Lisa was at work until 11pm. Johnny picked her up from work when her shift was over and they went to Lisa's house.

According to Tiffany she was on the phone with Johnny at 11 when all the ruckus went down, are you sure about the time?

Quoted statement:
"Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found."


web address of quote:

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html