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I wanted to share this local story with everyone: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7969896
This woman disappeared from holland around the same time as lisa and johnny's murder. it could just be coincidence, but I people don't disappear in this area either.
Also, after reading all the posts (brain is glazed over...) check out post: 2782 "some work in the suburbs"!

Going back to my initial gut reaction was this was nasty. revenge, a message, related to drugs b4 I even heard anything more than the 1^st presser. Also why if tiff thought johnny was in danger, why go over there to check. If she thought it was no big deal , why start calling people in the middle of the night worried. I would think my friends just screwed me over and ditched me. I'm not explaining correct. her reaction was at one point overly relaxed and at another overly concerned. If someone called me at 12:30 am about a friend not answering his cell I would be pissed they woke me up, and tell him maybe they don't like you and ditched you. (and this has been said by everyone, I know, kicking a dead horse, sorry)

maybe it was robbery and after johnny stabbed a few it pissed off the sadistic one in the bunch and it was go time? The whole thing is strange. At this point I woiuldn't be shocked by some crazy serial killer with a 409 bottle (like the website theory with the deer pictures). I think it really took a high level of mental sickness to carry out these murders.

Also if tiff was involved, what if she was supposed to show later to be the hero, let them out of the tape after the robbers had run off with the contents of the safe in their plasitc bags they brought. she walks in thnkning she;ll find them hog tied but unharmed, see's what happened, 'oh shit' , runs out closing the garage and starts putting together her story. the part about her going to the house ringing the doorbell conducting her own well check was to cover up if someone had just saw her there. I thnk it is alittle hollywood but Wanted to get it out there. trying to brainstorm ideas.

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=576342

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

M.J. looks like a mean gang banger and really uses the language he is really creeeeeepy..

(02-21-2011, 04:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Lisa's car was in the garage. According to the Detective in front of the News cameras on the first day of the investigation. I quote Lady Cop in her opening dialogue on page 1.

- Lady Cop - 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.
Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

I would like to know one FACT was the car in the driveway or in the garage
god if we can't get this right how can we get anything right lol!![/color]

I understand what you are saying. I want to know why V was gone for a week after the murders and then pops up on M.J.s facebook on the 8^th of Feb sayin he doesn't have a phone anymore and he disappered for a week? Come on. Two days before the murders he had a phone because his girlfriend updated his status on facebook with a phone. notice the little phone icon next to the month january on the 18^th. Then if you look a little deeper on V's facebook he has a conversation with someone and this guy tells V that "he has some light work" for him in the suburbs. Just sounds too much like something is on with M.J., V, and yes A.P./A.G.

(02-21-2011, 11:51 AM)esbee Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:25 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: Personally, I think whomever is writing about Mock on the facebook pages writes it there because they know that there are actual law enforcement people on this site and won't come on here and talk their talk.

Another thing I've noticed about Maytee...she seems to be in competition with the Straubs, whether it be to set up a fund because they set up a fund or because she's a good mom just like they were good parents, Lisa's past is just as bad as Johnny's past. I can't imagine her pain and what that can do to you but that's just an observation I've had...add that with the love she had for Johnny but knowing Johnny loved Lisa and chose to live with her over Maytee...I definitly can see her feeling like she had/has to comepte with Lisa/Straub's. AND..let's not forget if what's been said about her husband cheating, she's probably over the top with jealousy and feelings of competition.

I so agree with you here.

I think Johnny was distancing himself from Maytee. Others have used the word "embarrassed" and I believe that to my core.

Here was a chance for Johnny to make good. He was welcomed by a stable, respectable family and loved by a young woman who didn't talk or act like a gangster. She was edgy enough to like to party and to tolerate his past transgressions. He could envision a future far different from the environment of his youth, an upbringing he was most likely desperate to escape.

I think Maytee resented it fiercely. And I think Johnny's peers resented it, too.

I agree with both of you. There was also that remark, posted on one of the FB pages, about Lisa living in "rich ville". I tried telling that to pink, early in this thread - rich is relative. When you come from the hood, middle class looks like Bel Air.

The car was in the garage. The detective in charge stated that herself.

i am lost. someone hook me up with the facebook you are talking about.

(02-21-2011, 02:41 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: okay, I just had a thought...the 911 call where Maytee mentions "Did whoever robbed and assualted, abduct my son?"...okay I know that's not exactly how she said it but, when you think of somone being abducted, what do they generally do in order to abduct them? Bound their hands and/or feet and ....put bags over their heads so they can't see where they are going, who's taking them etc..maybe I'm thinking too much of the movies where people are getting grabbed and thrown into Vans but I just invisioned an "abduction".

I wonder why Maytee did not call 911 if she thought her son was being
abducted and robbed?

(02-21-2011, 04:22 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

Lots of interesting posts here today, and lots to think about .....

I could be mistaken, but I thought John Clarke Sr. had V's GF as a friend on FB when I first saw the page a few days ago, but not when I looked again yesterday.

She has two fb's.

(02-21-2011, 11:59 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Oh dear, I can not believe I awakened, started my computer, came here
sippin' my luscious coffee and find myself called a racist and a redneck.
Do I put a call out for Al Sharpton, Betty Friedan, Bill Clinton or Jerry Springer.

Morning All. And yes, I hate name calling.

lmao @ Al Sharpton! You forgot Jesse Jackson. Mock will have the Rainbow Coalition all up in our business - and they'll demand JOBS!!!

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i am lost. someone hook me up with the facebook you are talking about.

and me please

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Duchess Wrote:

The car was in the garage. The detective in charge stated that herself.

THANK YOU!!!
I said that before and some said for sure it was in the driveway
i now the FACT:B

(02-21-2011, 04:40 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 02:41 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: okay, I just had a thought...the 911 call where Maytee mentions "Did whoever robbed and assualted, abduct my son?"...okay I know that's not exactly how she said it but, when you think of somone being abducted, what do they generally do in order to abduct them? Bound their hands and/or feet and ....put bags over their heads so they can't see where they are going, who's taking them etc..maybe I'm thinking too much of the movies where people are getting grabbed and thrown into Vans but I just invisioned an "abduction".

I wonder why Maytee did not call 911 if she thought her son was being
abducted and robbed?

:O She was on the phone with 911 when she stated that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

ok i got it. again, how is this person connected to this case? we are not going to speculate about everybody on everybody's facebook friends. i need a nexus.

(02-21-2011, 04:33 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

M.J. looks like a mean gang banger and really uses the language he is really creeeeeepy..

He's friends with JC's supposed best friend, VD and he is friends with TW's boyfriend AG. His GF works at Applebees, didn't LS work at a Applebees before TGIF, and she preggers and talks about how she livin in the ghetto now and how her friends before don't know anything about being a ganster, they are all scarey...Is that a gang tatoo on M.J.'s back??

Yes I think so. LOCZ. don't know what it means

(02-21-2011, 04:37 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I understand what you are saying. I want to know why V was gone for a week after the murders and then pops up on M.J.s facebook on the 8^th of Feb sayin he doesn't have a phone anymore and he disappered for a week? Come on. Two days before the murders he had a phone because his girlfriend updated his status on facebook with a phone. notice the little phone icon next to the month january on the 18^th. Then if you look a little deeper on V's facebook he has a conversation with someone and this guy tells V that "he has some light work" for him in the suburbs. Just sounds too much like something is on with M.J., V, and yes A.P./A.G.

If I understood what I've read corectly for the past months on everyone's facebook pages, VD was in the hospital constantly because his grandmother was ill and was having hip surgery or somthing like that.

Holy crap do I know way too much about all these kids!!! I need to get a life.

(02-21-2011, 04:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i got it. again, how is this person connected to this case? we are not going to speculate about everybody on everybody's facebook friends. i need a nexus.

Are you talking about VD or his GF?