"Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't." Mark Twain

(03-30-2011, 10:33 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: No, I was saying it was treasonous to "suggest" that George W Bush and his administration had anything to do with 9/11.

Accusing a president of orchestrating a false terrorist attack on his own people is ludicrously stupid and irresponsible.

Agreed. Got what you're saying.

(03-29-2011, 05:27 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: If the plane in question didn't hit the Pentagon (a big fucking if!)

A - What happened to the plane?
B - What happened to the people on the plane? because they are all definitely dead.
C - If a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what did?
D - Why would the US military fire a weapon at the Pentagon?

A quick scroll through the thread shows that while you said you wanted to address the issue of the Pentagon, first, you weren't even interested enough to watch one video where witnesses are interviewed. IOW, you're only interested in what it is that you want to believe and not in examining any evidence.

In answer to your questions, I never claimed to know what happened to the plane or the passengers. I don't know. I have presented a video indicating a passenger jet did not hit the Pentagon - that's all. As to why some rogue players in our govt might have been involved in something like that, I laid it out in my first post.

BTW, I bought the official story, initially. The shock of the event caused the suspension of critical thinking for millions of people. I was no different. Because I wasn't content with a couple of weeks of news stories, I kept following up on the story, reading everything I could. Confronted with the evidence, and because I have an open mind, I examined it. It changed my mind. In no way does any of that answer every question that one might pose. Instead, it raises more questions and puts the lie to much of what we have been told.

(03-30-2011, 01:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote: As to why some rogue players in our govt might have been involved.

"Some" rogue players in the government?!



You do realise that for ⁹⁄₁₁ to be an "inside job" it would take the complicity of literally THOUSANDS of people right?

THOUSANDS.

(03-30-2011, 02:06 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: You do realise that for ⁹⁄₁₁ to be an "inside job" it would take the complicity of literally THOUSANDS of people right?

THOUSANDS.

Maybe they recruited them from the "Million Man March".

Remember . . . Farrakhan was a guest of Libya AFTER the march.

Hey! Isn't he a citizen of the nation of Islam?

Her necklace was found in the wreckage. As were remains of gold teeth, a pacemaker (ew), and an old fob watch, identified by a family member of that passenger. Parts of seats were found, and part of the body of the plane, where the airline logo is partly clear.

Proof is there. I don't have a closed mind at all. I read this conspiracy bullshit years ago. It's just as unfounded now as it was then. But you go ahead and shit on the memories of the people who died at the hands of terrorists. Babies. Children. Whole families wiped out. For nothing more than insane, unfounded hate. If you want to defend that by headhunting and wild reaching theorizing, it's certainly your right. But as I said before. I'll stick to facts.

I still remember when I was told the news and the reaction of disbelieve I had, which was showing very clear on my face as well as body, followed instantly by the "You ... must ... be ... fucking ... kidding!!" that I am sure was shared by everybody else on the planet.

Now when you watch the reaction of Bush when he was told the news, at least for me, that leaves a lot of questions open!

Is that true that nobody from Israel showed up for work that day in the WTC?

Like I said all these conspiracy theories are not only bunk they are highly irresponsible, telling the victims families that your family member was killed in a false flag terrorist action by the US government is an awful thing to do.

It's bad enough a family member dying in a terrorist atrocity without theorists dangling bullshit conjecture in their face and putting unfounded doubts into their minds about what happened that day.

Re: Israel's missing work that day, I'm a cutting and pasting post whore today but according to Snopes, totally false (and even a comical suggestion in some regards).

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

(03-30-2011, 03:28 PM)Mohammed Wrote: I still remember when I was told the news and the reaction of disbelieve I had, which was showing very clear on my face as well as body, followed instantly by the "You ... must ... be ... fucking ... kidding!!" that I am sure was shared by everybody else on the planet.

Now when you watch the reaction of Bush when he was told the news, at least for me, that leaves a lot of questions open!

Is that true that nobody from Israel showed up for work that day in the WTC?

No it isn't true that nobody from Israel showed up for work that day, some Israelis and loads of Jewish people died in the twin towers.

As for Bush's reaction in the school classroom, I think he was:-

A - Stunned

and

B - Thinking "oh shit!" what the fuck am I going to do?

He looks constipated because I think he is thinking to himself, what is the right thing to do here?, jump up and leave?, stay?, excuse myself?

I don't honestly think it takes much to confuse George W Bush at any given time.

Bush was afraid it might interfere with cookies and juice time. It's always after storytime. Always.

Nah, I think stunned with a heaping side of "oh shit". And at least he remained aware of and composed in front of children. I didn't like the guy (and I'm conservative), but he handled the initial responses pretty well.

I often wonder what people would have him do in that situation.

"Oh fuck kids!, planes have hit the world trade centre!, duck and cover kids!, I gotta get outta here!, fuck your pet goat! aaarrrggghhh!"

(03-30-2011, 03:34 PM)username Wrote: Re: Israel's missing work that day, I'm a cutting and pasting post whore today but according to Snopes, totally false (and even a comical suggestion in some regards).

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

Nice article .... until you get to the end.

It states 4000 Jews where working there in the beginning. At the end it says a Synagogue was missing 6! of its members and a total of 130 Israelis where killed at last count.

That means from 4000, a total of 3870 took a day off that day?

This reminds me of the messages we're getting down here, saying "Do this, do that, we advise, etc". And no, they do not mention anything like "Well, fuck all those others brothers, it's all about us anyway innit?!", no, they simply just state "We advise you hereby .... "

And yes, the majority follows.

Now, if I walk up to the American Embassador in any country and whisper in his ear "Sir, am so sorry to interrupt your no doubt fascinating outing with this room full of 9 year olds, but the World Trade Centre, which I'm somehow sure you know where they are, if not, they're right in the fucking middle of New York, have collapsed because a bunch of Arabs flew our very own planes into them, thereby killing a few thousand of our people as well as totally messing up the streets downtown NY, plus those bastards have also successfully taken another plane ... ahem, four all together and we got no fucking idea how, right into the Pentagon, we're still searching for Nr.4 so, but we're positive we'll find it real quick ... oh, and if I may say so, you're holding that book upside down Sir."

Trust me, the reaction would be a very, VERY different one indeed!

If not, it simply states two things about that person.

1. He/She was aware of anything like such.

Or

2. He/She is one hell of a braindead retard that dreams about a hot bath with his/her favourite rubber duck right then that moment.

Snopes didn't confirm the 4000 figure--it was just referring back to the original articles. I read another article that said roughly 10%-15% of the people that died were Jewish and that the Jewish population of NY is around 10-15%.

I'll vote for #2 where George Bush is concerned. Besides, we have this silly thing in America where we expect our Presidents to look Presidential. Pee'ing his pants or hastily shouting "OH MY FUCKING GOD!" doesn't fit the bill.

Damn conspiracy theorists.

(03-30-2011, 03:32 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Like I said all these conspiracy theories are not only bunk they are highly irresponsible, telling the victims families that your family member was killed in a false flag terrorist action by the US government is an awful thing to do.

Is it less awful if it's a fellow family member who lost a loved one who says it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9meDbrlP8

(03-30-2011, 04:11 PM)Mohammed Wrote: [quote='username' pid='151021' dateline='1301513644']
Re: Israel's missing work that day, I'm a cutting and pasting post whore today but according to Snopes, totally false (and even a comical suggestion in some regards).

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

Quote: Trust me, the reaction would be a very, VERY different one indeed!

It would?

It must be wonderful to know what you would have done in the same circumstance.

personally I think you're full of shit.

The President had two choices, He could have either jumped up dropped shit where it was and left, which would have mind fucked the kids, I know though in your macho sorta way that may have excited you to do that?

Or he could finish doing what He was doing spend the extra 3 minutes and leave the kids intact.

I know the thought of this just goes completely against your grain as a hero but hell they are just kids.

Now if I read the line above right it appears that you have a completely different way of dealing with the situation, I don't know how many ways you think there are to deal with this stuff from a classroom without fucking the kids up, but I would be interested to know what you would have done since you convieniently left that info out in favor of a chest pounding and a bush bashing.

please Mo tell us, we really need to hear all of your words of wisdom, and we know that you are wise because you have taken pictures in some different countries.

Dear Dick,

do you actually realise how utterly and breathtakingly dumb you sound?

"Without fucking the kids up"???

You as the leader of your country hear that it is under a very serious attack, and all you think about is "Let's not fuck these kids up"??? How much of a fucked up hero do you want to sound?

Do you think when Pearl Harbour happened and Roosevelt would have held a speech in front of anybody when presented the news he would have gone "Right, whatever, let me not fuck you up."?! Are you bloody serious?!

It is exactly because I remember my own reaction as well as everybody elses around me, that I found it so hard to believe the one by good ole Georgy!

Yeah, let's not mindfuck the kids because something that hasn't happened before, concerning a rather large amount of national security, just did. What sort of planet are you living on?!

A few years ago we had a bad hurricane here. Things got pretty scary about 3am and hubby and I were getting very worried. Did we voice it in front of the kids? No. Why? So as not to scare them. They look to us to determine how to react in crises. Were we to have run about screaming "the sky is falling! We are all gonna die!!!" they might have gotten a bit worried.

Bush's reaction was smart. He was in front of a bunch of kids. Had he jumped out of his seat, rushed out with secret service trailing behind it would have sent a fearful message to those kids. Now maybe some people don't give a shit about kids, but I'm pretty proud of him for keeping his wits about him. Truth is, no matter his reaction, someone would cry bullshit. He was in a no win situation as far as many are concerned.

Also remember at the time Bush was told a plane had hit the world centre nobody knew what the fuck was going on, then when he was told another plane had hit the world trade centre the penny must have dropped.

Would him rushing off a few minutes early from the classroom made a blind bit of difference?, I don't think so.

I can't believe I'm defending monkey boy Bush.

Right, that's it, he was in front of a bunch of kids.

His guy walks up to him and tells him what just happened. What does he do? Fuck all! That's right, let me say that again .... FUCK ALL!

If your kids are your whole world and a hurricane comes in, OF COURSE you will keep them calm and try giving them a sense of security. You and your kids are the only people in the house after all most probably, after you got rid of the rest of your swingers party that night.

But now all of a sudden you are the President of the USA! There is a bit more involved there than the well being of about 30 kids. Especially if it involves the death of a few thousand and an attack right at the soul of your country.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? No wonder with guys like you he managed to get the job twice.