(04-06-2011, 05:41 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Where they got those drugs and how they possibly bartered them to others may have some relationship to their deaths. I think they were in deeper than they knew and the dangers were realized very suddenly. One of the first to put 2 and 2 together was Maytee and she expressed it in those 911 calls.

Makes sense, and could very well be true.

(04-06-2011, 04:12 PM)Adub Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 03:20 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: How nice of Johnny to share all this info with the mom he requested
(from the court) not to live with.

It wasn't JC that requested a change of address with the probation office. JC still lived at home according to court documents. It was one of the other individuals arrested with JC.

Adub, please check the facts here from public records.
http://mockforums.net/thread-4892.html

6/17/2009 2 Title : EVT:CERTIFIED COPY SENT
JE FILED ON 06-17-2009:

LONDON CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
P.O. BOX 69
LONDON, OH 43140
ATTENTION: RECORDS OFFICE
PARTY : D1 - CLARK JOHN

6/19/2009 3 Title : EVT:CERT JUDICIAL RELEASE SENT
LONDON CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
PARTY : D1 - CLARK JOHN

6/23/2009 5 Title : EVT:COST BILL MAIL INSTIT/PROB
PARTY : D1 - CLARK JOHN

8/12/2009 1 Title : COMMUNITY CONTROL MODIFIED
653-03261 issued by 153 ()

For good cause shown and upon the recommendation of the
Lucas County Adult Probation Department (J. Miller), the
conditions of JOHN CLARK's Community Control granted on
June 15, 2009, are amended as follows:

The defendant's obligation to pay restitution as to victim
M. Swan, is stayed. See attached document.

The defendant's obligation to pay restitution as to victim
P. Soto, ha been fulfilled. See attached document.

The defendant's obligation to pay the City of Toledo
restitution in the amount of $1,147.15 continues as a
requirement of Community Control. See attached document/

All other conditions of Community Control remain in full
force and effect.

JUDGE DENISE ANN DARTT
PARTY : D1 - CLARK JOHN

8/17/2009 1 Title : EVT:ORDER FILED & JOURNALIZED
GRANTED AMENDMENT TO CC CONDITIONS
E-JOURNALIZED 08-20-2009
PARTY : D1 - CLARK JOHN

2/4/2010 1 Title : COMMUNITY CONTROL MODIFIED
653-000003422 issued by 153 ()

For good cause and upon the recommendation of the
supervising Probation Officer (N. DeLeon) the conditions
of the defendant DCS's EDIT BY LC Community Control
granted on January 7, 2009, are amended as follows: (see
attached)

1. The condition to maintain residence with his mother is
vacated. Defendant granted permission to maintain
residence with his girlfriend in Wood County, Bowling
Green, Ohio.

2. Although residence will be in Wood County, Ohio,
defendant is to remain under the supervision of the LCAPD,
and his responsibilities with LCAPD remain unchanged.

All other conditions of Community Control remain in full
force and effect.

Adub, WolfHouse is being a Fuddy Duddy again (good stuff) you were RIGHT Adub. Anything on a Protection Order for Lisa? Thanks!

Re: timeline. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here. Couldn't they have taken the pills at 10-10:30 when Lisa supposedly got off work and then been killed at 12-12:30am? That gives the perps at least an hour in the home(from when T alleges she heard "Hey Bro" or whatever) , it covers the drug timeline and they were already dead and perps gone by 12:30am?

(04-06-2011, 01:38 AM)AriGold Wrote: FYI, my money is still on KS.*

I'm more than positive (i.e. Magic Johnson positive) that he is responsible for this; it totally fits his M.O.

Sorry LC, I know I'm not supposed to use full names...







* Keyser Söze

AriGold, PHENOMENAL POST!

(04-06-2011, 06:33 PM)NightOwl Wrote: AriGold, PHENOMENAL POST!

I asked question on previous post and wondered whether anyone has
considered that Johnny was given drugs by someone in his family (to sell
and/or use). Is this way out in left field?
Also asked before if anyone knew whether Johnny had every abused
women (based on the story of him hitting Lisa's mgirlfriend/roommate in
the stomach).
This is no way intended to blame the victims, but sadly the lives of the
victims are scrunitized with a fine tooth comb.

(04-06-2011, 06:30 PM)kitty1 Wrote: Re: timeline. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here. Couldn't they have taken the pills at 10-10:30 when Lisa supposedly got off work and then been killed at 12-12:30am? That gives the perps at least an hour in the home(from when T alleges she heard "Hey Bro" or whatever) , it covers the drug timeline and they were already dead and perps gone by 12:30am?

Yes Kitty1...as longs as you realize that we are the ones supposing LS got off work at 10p...Untill we did this, it was stated as fact that she worked till 11p. The report on toxicology discloses the pills were taken aprox 3 hours before death. It still squeezes the time line requiring more clarification. (Note a few=3 is more than a couple=2)

Although the test does not show what dosage was taken or when, Dr. Patrick said the drugs were probably ingested "a few hours" before they died. "If your thesis is that somebody drugged them and then did this to them, that's unlikely," Dr. Patrick said.

(04-06-2011, 06:12 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: It was stated earlier that the perps may have been in the house the first time the cops were there (1:20am) and the TV and lights were on that later were off upon the second police check. Thats even harder to believe. Why would anyone stick around that long?

OK I copied TWs comments from this thread after she came here to answer questions. This is what she says about what she saw when she went out to the house to check on them before she called Sharita who then called Maytee:

yes i did knock and also i rang the door bell for about 5 minutes.and on lisas fron door there are 2 big windows on the side of them yes i did look in i did not see them

the lights were on and at the top of the stairs which the stairs are right at the front door there was a closet opened.

it is true they used the garage door to get in the house.the garage door was closed when i got there.and when the police got there the lights were still on.

(About the perps) i dont think they were there when i went there.there was no movement in that house at all.that i could see.

no u cant see the kitchen are and no u cant see the tv either.

Of course Johnny & Lisa used oxycodone and percs recreationally... that doesn't make them awful people...

Truth to be Told - I like your style...

(04-06-2011, 06:47 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 06:30 PM)kitty1 Wrote: Re: timeline. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here. Couldn't they have taken the pills at 10-10:30 when Lisa supposedly got off work and then been killed at 12-12:30am? That gives the perps at least an hour in the home(from when T alleges she heard "Hey Bro" or whatever) , it covers the drug timeline and they were already dead and perps gone by 12:30am?

Yes Kitty1...as longs as you realize that we are the ones supposing LS got off work at 10p...Untill we did this, it was stated as fact that she worked till 11p. The report on toxicology discloses the pills were taken aprox 3 hours before death. It still squeezes the time line requiring more clarification. (Note a few=3 is more than a couple=2)

Although the test does not show what dosage was taken or when, Dr. Patrick said the drugs were probably ingested "a few hours" before they died. "If your thesis is that somebody drugged them and then did this to them, that's unlikely," Dr. Patrick said.

I guess it's been a while since the beginning of the thread. I thought her shift ended at 10pm? I'm probably not recalling correctly

Had to come check in after the article in the Toledo Blade today. It's been a while so I'm sure I have a lot to read!

While I'm looking at the things TW said while here let me bring this to everyones attention again. This may help with the time line.

TW:

i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man. (This was suppose to be at 11pm)


johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there. (this would make it around 12 midnight)

he did say he would call me back.and after i left the first time i drove back and then called a friend whos boyfriend is johnnys best friend .i asked for the number she would not give it to me.she told me stay by my phone shed call me back an 20 minutes later johnnys dad called i told him what happened and told him i was driving back there did he want a ride he said yes so i turned around and picked him up thats why all the time went by.

Sounds like according to this, Around 12 midnight, Tiffany used her friends moms car to drive over to the Straubs (should take about 15-20 minutes to drive there from the south end) She says she left & then drove BACK again. Then she calls Sharita, tells her whats going on & asks for Maytees #. Sharita calls Maytee & tells her whats going on, John Sr calls TW, she drives over to their house on the south end & when Maytee called 911 the 1^st time John Sr was already gone. That was at about 1:20 am.

So according to TW within ONE hour she drives to the Straubs twice, knocks on the door for 5 minutes, has a converstaion with Sharita, waits 20 minutes for John Sr to call her back & then drives over to the Clarkes to pick up John Sr. That's a whole lot of activity within ONE hour.....

Does it all add up?

(04-06-2011, 07:11 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Does it all add up?

Can you break it down and make it a little more remedial for me?

I apparently have trouble following complex timelines.

(04-06-2011, 06:30 PM)kitty1 Wrote: Re: timeline. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here. Couldn't they have taken the pills at 10-10:30 when Lisa supposedly got off work and then been killed at 12-12:30am? That gives the perps at least an hour in the home(from when T alleges she heard "Hey Bro" or whatever) , it covers the drug timeline and they were already dead and perps gone by 12:30am?

(04-06-2011, 06:50 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 06:12 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: It was stated earlier that the perps may have been in the house the first time the cops were there (1:20am) and the TV and lights were on that later were off upon the second police check. Thats even harder to believe. Why would anyone stick around that long?

OK I copied TWs comments from this thread after she came here to answer questions. This is what she says about what she saw when she went out to the house to check on them before she called Sharita who then called Maytee:

yes i did knock and also i rang the door bell for about 5 minutes.and on lisas fron door there are 2 big windows on the side of them yes i did look in i did not see them

the lights were on and at the top of the stairs which the stairs are right at the front door there was a closet opened.

it is true they used the garage door to get in the house.the garage door was closed when i got there.and when the police got there the lights were still on.

(About the perps) i dont think they were there when i went there.there was no movement in that house at all.that i could see.

no u cant see the kitchen are and no u cant see the tv either.

'Freshbait78'...From even earlier in the thread and from a source I trust more that TW reconstruction of that night......

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

(04-06-2011, 06:47 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: I asked question on previous post and wondered whether anyone has
considered that Johnny was given drugs by someone in his family (to sell
and/or use). Is this way out in left field?
Also asked before if anyone knew whether Johnny had every abused
women (based on the story of him hitting Lisa's mgirlfriend/roommate in
the stomach).
This is no way intended to blame the victims, but sadly the lives of the
victims are scrunitized with a fine tooth comb.

blueberryhill, There was a post# 1653 Thread 119 by someone that mentioned Johnny - I wondered about that post back then - but, whom ever posted that needs to explain - it doesn't sound good I know that much.

(04-06-2011, 06:47 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: I asked question on previous post and wondered whether anyone has
considered that Johnny was given drugs by someone in his family (to sell
and/or use). Is this way out in left field?
Also asked before if anyone knew whether Johnny had every abused
women (based on the story of him hitting Lisa's mgirlfriend/roommate in
the stomach).
This is no way intended to blame the victims, but sadly the lives of the
victims are scrunitized with a fine tooth comb.

To your first question, it's a possibility as we don't know for sure where his drugs came from. As to Johnny possibly abusing women, I'd find that surprising. By all accounts, he was a funny, friendly, outgoing guy, and was very close to his mother, which just doesn't sound to me like someone that would hurt women. I remember reading about him hitting some girl in the stomach, but have no idea if that's true.

Night Owl, I know~~~~~~~~~I thought it strange noone was interested in that post. It was way back in the beginning~~~~
The poster said Lisa and her roommate (S xxx rings a bell but not sure)
were moving out of apartment and in the process, it is alleged that
Johnny hit roommate in stomach. Pretty sure I didn't dream this!

(04-06-2011, 07:16 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: 'Freshbait78'...From even earlier in the thread and from a source I trust more that TW reconstruction of that night......

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

The reason I have a problem with Unknowns account is because of this.... Did John Sr & TW ever leave the Straubs between 911 call one & 911 call 2? The 1^st 911 call by Maytee was at 1:20, in that phone call she says that TW came & picked up John Sr & they were on their way to the Straubs. The 2^nd 911 call Maytee herself is on her way to the Straubs with her military cousin, she arrives there & this is when she blocks in TWs car & confronts her with "I think you set up my son" She also says on the 2^nd 911 call that the police were just there & did nothing & she wants to know where her son is yadda yadda.

TW says this while here on Mock:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there.the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

However, that's not true. She didn't leave the 1^st time the police were there because she was confronted by Maytee on the 2^nd 911 call & the dispatcher asks TW if there is an officer there & tells TW to talk to them. If TW & John Sr never left between 911 calls 1 & 2, how did the killers turn off the TV & lights & escape unnoticed?