Answer about Williams Counsel is here on Mock over on
"CLARKE/STRAUB MURDERS: CASE links and facts only"

OMG! I never think to look at "facts", NIGHTOWL and I just posted that!

(04-21-2012, 01:17 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Everyone is getting statements from public documents but have failed to see that in the evidence that was collected from the house, there was a knife that was collected and swabbed?????
I dont know how that took part or where but it was in the evidence file.

The knife was noted a while back. With some speculating that Johnny stabbed the motherfucker before being murdered.
That would be good. Or maybe even Lisa did it.
That would be better.

(04-21-2012, 09:29 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(04-21-2012, 09:27 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I really doubt that the Straubs are wealthy. They both work as far as I know. In my personal experience, the more you make, the more you spend. A lot of 40-50 year olds that have good jobs are just making it, IMO.

Agreed! You have much wisdom!

Double agreed!

(04-21-2012, 10:28 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(04-21-2012, 10:12 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: JsMom, Did you read my post before yours???? Is it your opinion that Williams is paying for his own defense? I took it as his atty's are court appointed. Do you disagree?

That I am not sure about, myself. I'm not sure if he's paying or not. If Gurl thinks someone is paying; I figured I'd just throw that out there. I was just wondering how he or she would respond.

opininated on my end

Just in from the Toledo Blah

A Lucas County Common Pleas Court judge has ruled that a recording of an investigatory interview with a suspect in a Springfield Township double homicide last year may not be played at trial because the interview violated the suspect’s constitutional rights.

In granting Samuel Todd Williams’ motion to suppress, Judge Dean Mandros found that the investigators should have stopped questioning the suspect once he told them he would not talk until his lawyers were present at the Lucas County jail, where he had been taken after his Sept. 22 arrest.

Even after Williams identified his two lawyers, “the police authorities immediately directed a series of questions to Williams,” the judge wrote, citing the interview transcript. “Williams again sought to terminate the questioning, but the authorities again ignored his request.”

Williams “clearly and unambiguously invoked his right to counsel” that the police were obliged to

“scrupulously honor,” Judge Mandros wrote.

Williams, 24, of 1626 Kelsey Ave. is charged with two counts each of aggravated murder and kidnapping, and one count of aggravated burglary in the asphyxiation deaths of a Springfield Township couple.

Johnny Clarke, 21, and Lisa Straub, 20, were found dead Jan. 31, 2011, in the Longacre Lane home of Miss Straub’s parents.

Also charged in the case is Cameo Pettaway, 22 of 133 Essex St.

Trials for both accused are scheduled to start in early June, and each faces the death penalty if convicted of the murder counts.

According to Judge Mandros’ decision, Toledo police Detective Jeff Kozak asked Williams, “Do you want to talk to us?” to which the suspect responded, “Only thing I want to know is what is it about, and that’s it. Other than that, I’m going to wait for my lawyer. I’m not talking at all. I didn’t do nothing. I don’t know what this is about.”

Allowing a suspect to cut off questioning, the judge wrote, “counteracts the coercive pressures of the custodial setting.”

Williams’ inquiry about the circumstances of his arrest “is to be expected” because he initially thought his detention concerned a child-support issue, Judge Mandros wrote.

But after telling Mr. Kozak and Tom Ross, an investigator from county prosecutor Julia Bates’ office, that he wouldn’t talk without legal representation, Williams answered questions about whether he had gone to the Longacre Lane home.

He denied he had been there or knew the home.

Mrs. Bates said Saturday she couldn’t comment on Judge Mandros’ ruling because she had not yet seen the opinion. Before becoming a common pleas judge, Mr. Mandros was an assistant prosecutor in her office.

“He has to do what he believes in, based on the law,” Mrs. Bates said.

Defense attorney John Thebes declined to comment on the ruling, citing a court-imposed gag order.

Seriously considering trying to go to some of either trial. It'd be a hike. But damn, just to get details firsthand..without the media filtering it or fucking it up

That would be great, Ko Ko.

(04-21-2012, 01:25 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: and to ''Mustang'' you said you seen every inch of house BUT the 2 daughters closets!!!!!!!!!!! alot of people ut safes in laces where people will never look , to me that seems reasonable enuf to have hid it in one of the daughters room . because who would hide it in plain sight in there room , or their closet . also it seem supsicious that you sed excet for the 2daughters room , but yet she had the key around her neck .

im confused by that

Believe me...there is no safe. Jeff told me after the murders that the police told him that they, "think they were looking for a safe they thought we had." Not "looking for OUR safe"; "looking for A safe". I don't think he would have said A safe if it existed. I said to Jeff, "I didn't know you had a safe." And he replied, "We don't. But the police think they thought we did." And if Lisa had a key around her neck, what makes you think it was to a safe? Do you really think any parents that DID have a safe would give a key to their kids? And finally, what's with the comment about the Straub's having lot's of money because of all their travel? Do you mean the cruise they were on for their 25^th anniversary? They're a truck driver and a nurse for Christ's sake, not the fucking Rockefellers.

That's my boy!

(04-20-2012, 10:22 AM)Mustang Wrote: shitstorm wrote: I agree that Jeff Straub is very compassionate about John Sr. What a horror to carry that awful memory of finding your child and and his darling girlfriend murdered. I feel very sorry for John, too.


I feel more sorry for him being married to Maytee!

what is the webpage where you get the court case details?

(04-22-2012, 04:03 PM)d505 Wrote: what is the webpage where you get the court case details?

It may be posted in the facts thread but I'm not positive.

(04-22-2012, 04:05 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(04-22-2012, 04:03 PM)d505 Wrote: what is the webpage where you get the court case details?

It may be posted in the facts thread but I'm not positive.

Google - Lucas County Court Dockets. Lucas County Ohio Official Website -Dockets on line will appear, click on to the Website, agree to terms and your all set.

Thanks KNight Owl

(04-22-2012, 05:51 AM)koko Wrote: Seriously considering trying to go to some of either trial. It'd be a hike. But damn, just to get details firsthand..without the media filtering it or fucking it up

(04-22-2012, 07:04 AM)JsMom Wrote: That would be great, Ko Ko.

Koko, accuracy and details matter you would be a great reporter! Is it a 2 hour drive for you? The gas prices are down a little. It's about 5 dollars on the Ohio Turnpike Toll so round trip $10.00 there but, if you're driving alone you're safer on the Pike and Starbucks are in the Plaza and clean restrooms. You probably will have to pay for parking downtown at the Courthouse. New rules at the Courthouse I believe no Cell Phones, if you bring your phone in they may hold it, you might want to lock up everything in your car trunk and travel light with ID and my guess is big ladies handbags they will probably search. There are some excellent Restaurants downtown and maybe someone else on Mock has some good recommendations.

(04-22-2012, 12:07 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: That's my boy!

Is he?

It would be awesome to have our own Mock reporter there, we know we can't count on the local media to report in depth & with accuracy. It's too much to hope that this will be televised.

Samuel Williams was arrested 9/22/2011 Mugshotsonline

Alexandra Cousino arrested 9/23/2011 Mugshotsonline

Thomas V Nutter arrested 9/23/2011 Mugshotsonline

Nutter and wife Divorced Oct., 2010.

TMC-Clerk 9/23/2011 To Wit: Defendant Cousino, along with her boyfriend (Thomas Nutter) did enter the land of victim CW where Mr. Nutter then assaulted the victim, after being told to leave the property.

April 17^th 2012 Nutter went to ex-wife's residence and threatened to beat her up he was arrested he's down in the county jail now with a warrant block on him. Now he's in there with Williams and Pettaway!

Was Nutter - Alexander Cousino's boyfriend January 2011?

(04-22-2012, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(04-22-2012, 12:07 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: That's my boy!

Is he?

Yes!

(04-22-2012, 07:13 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Yes!

Is he hot? haha