Why do men who don't want kids required to pay child support? If they took the precaution and used protection and it fails why should they have to pay?

I want to know how come?

(05-08-2012, 01:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Why do men who don't want kids required to pay child support? If they took the precaution and used protection and it fails why should they have to pay?

I want to know how come?

Personally, I don't think they should have to & I happen to believe that birth control is the woman's responsibility. Fuck all if I would leave something that concerns MY body up to anyone else, that's just dumb.

(05-08-2012, 01:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(05-08-2012, 01:46 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Is the failure of the birth control device on film?

Jesus Christ.

Why do you want me to think you're a goddamn moron?

Because your questions are a set up.

Unless you have had a hysterectomy in most cases pregnancy is possible if you have sex.



The risk is always there.

(05-08-2012, 01:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(05-08-2012, 01:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Why do men who don't want kids required to pay child support? If they took the precaution and used protection and it fails why should they have to pay?

I want to know how come?

Personally, I don't think they should have to & I happen to believe that birth control is the woman's responsibility. Fuck all if I would leave something that concerns MY body up to anyone else, that's just dumb.

But yet a man can't compel a woman to have an abortion, even if the pregnancy is an accident, she can decide to keep the baby and the man is fucked.

and in the counter a man cannot compel a woman to keep the baby and again if he wants the child he's fucked again.

At some point responsibility becomes the issue more than wants or desires, at least it does in my opinion.

(05-08-2012, 12:47 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Prenatal? so sometime after conception and before birth a woman should be checked and get some care if they need it.

I have no problem with that, and factually actually what I said did not even touch on that issue.

(05-08-2012, 11:52 AM)IMaDick Wrote: The only reason for a pregnancy test is to decide if you want to get an abortion or not or if you need to go fill out child support papers.

OIC, I totally misread that.


You're a backpedaling douchebag, mister.

(05-08-2012, 01:56 PM)IMaDick Wrote: But yet a man can't compel a woman to have an abortion, even if the pregnancy is an accident, she can decide to keep the baby and the man is fucked.

and in the counter a man cannot compel a woman to keep the baby and again if he wants the child he's fucked again.

At some point responsibility becomes the issue more than wants or desires, at least it does in my opinion.

People are fucked up, Dick, we know that. Had I ever been in that situation, pregnant & he didn't want it but I did, I would absolutely let him forfeit everything that would be involved, meaning I wouldn't hit him up for money & I wouldn't expect him to play a role in the child's life.

If I didn't want the child & he did, I'd do the right thing & hand it over to him.

(05-08-2012, 02:12 PM)username Wrote:

(05-08-2012, 12:47 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Prenatal? so sometime after conception and before birth a woman should be checked and get some care if they need it.

I have no problem with that, and factually actually what I said did not even touch on that issue.

(05-08-2012, 11:52 AM)IMaDick Wrote: The only reason for a pregnancy test is to decide if you want to get an abortion or not or if you need to go fill out child support papers.

OIC, I totally misread that.


You're a backpedaling douchebag, mister.

It's very simple user, if you have no intention of aborting time will tell you that you are pregnant plain and simple,a month won't matter in the final outcome.

But a month is longtime if want to rid yourself of that filthy parasite if you know what I mean.

I can think of several years worth of reasons why someone who was even a tiny bit late would run right out and by the lil' sticks to pee on and not one of them would be to make arrangements to have an abortion.

(05-08-2012, 02:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I can think of several years worth of reasons why someone who was even a tiny bit late would run right out and by the lil' sticks to pee on and not one of them would be to make arrangements to have an abortion.

Can you quote a post on Mock that supports your position on that?

I can post several million examples of what I'm talking about.

Everytime I hear someone cite over population as a reason to have abortions I know that is what they would do.

Or would they?

(05-08-2012, 02:41 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Can you quote a post on Mock that supports your position on that?

No, I was speaking from personal experience.

(05-08-2012, 02:32 PM)IMaDick Wrote: It's very simple user, if you have no intention of aborting time will tell you that you are pregnant plain and simple,a month won't matter in the final outcome.

Let's start with this...

Folic Acid and Pregnancy
Every year, about 3,000 infants are born with neural tube defects (NTDs), according to the CDC. These defects include spina bifida and anencephaly, a condition in which the brain is not properly formed or is at least partly missing. Children who survive are often left paralyzed for life.

NTDs are preventable if mothers-to-be take folic acid before and during their pregnancy. Thanks to better screening, public health information campaigns, and folic acid fortification of breads and other grain products, the incidence of NTDs has dropped in recent years.

Not to mention the opportunity to start eating better, quitting drinking, stopping certain medications like ibuprofen etc. There are a lot of reasons women ought to try to find out as early as possible if they are pregnant.

In a perfect world, the pregnancy is planned, the mother is taking pre-natal vitamins before she even conceives, eats a well rounded diet etc. but it often doesn't happen that way.

User complete the thought, at what stage of pregnancy are those defects detectable?

Quote:But a month is longtime if want to rid yourself of that filthy parasite if you know what I mean.

Wow. Just wow. You don't deserve to be a part of this conversation any longer, in my opinion. You're not even making any sense any more. Sounds like you knocked up some poor chick you were fucking and she took you to the cleaners. Otherwise you're just a misogynistic retard.

I think Dick was being facetious about the "parasite"; his dedication to children is clear (not to speak for anyone, just my observation over the months).

Dick: It doesn't matter when certain dangers to fetuses can be detected, what matters is finding out as early as possible that one is pregnant because there are a host of decisions and lifestyle changes that can then be made to prevent/minimize these dangers to the unborn child. Among them, refraining from alcohol and taking folic acid, as stated in user's examples. The sooner in the pregnancy these decisions and lifestyle changes are made, the higher likelihood of a healthier baby.

I don't understand why you're insisting that pregnancy tests are only taken in order to determine whether to abort. Do you really believe that? I understand almost all of your other points, though I have a different outlook on many of them. But, your insistence on this one makes no sense to me. It's a fact that a lot of women want to know asap if they're pregnant so that they can take measures to ensure a healthy baby. A fact, not an opinion.

(05-08-2012, 03:53 PM)Ma Huang Sor Wrote:

Quote:But a month is longtime if want to rid yourself of that filthy parasite if you know what I mean.

Wow. Just wow. You don't deserve to be a part of this conversation any longer, in my opinion. You're not even making any sense any more. Sounds like you knocked up some poor chick you were fucking and she took you to the cleaners. Otherwise you're just a misogynistic retard.

Your opinion is the same as always, pure speculation without a hint of intelligence to be found in it.

(05-08-2012, 04:15 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(05-08-2012, 03:53 PM)Ma Huang Sor Wrote:

Quote:But a month is longtime if want to rid yourself of that filthy parasite if you know what I mean.

Wow. Just wow. You don't deserve to be a part of this conversation any longer, in my opinion. You're not even making any sense any more. Sounds like you knocked up some poor chick you were fucking and she took you to the cleaners. Otherwise you're just a misogynistic retard.

Your opinion is the same as always, pure speculation without a hint of intelligence to be found in it.

Well, I hope you'll answer my question in the post above. I want to know if you're sincere in not believing that many women desire early pregnancy detection for the good of their unborn child, not to abort it.

(05-08-2012, 04:09 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I think Dick was being facetious about the "parasite"; his dedication to children is clear (not to speak for anyone, just my observation over the months).

Dick: It doesn't matter when certain dangers to fetuses can be detected, what matters is finding out as early as possible that one is pregnant because there are a host of decisions and lifestyle changes that can then be made to prevent/minimize these dangers to the unborn child. Among them, refraining from alcohol and taking folic acid, as stated in user's examples. The sooner in the pregnancy these decisions and lifestyle changes are made, the higher likelihood of a healthier baby.

I don't understand why you're insisting that pregnancy tests are only taken in order to determine whether to abort. Do you really believe that? I understand almost all of your other points, though I have a different outlook on many of them. But, your insistence on this one makes no sense to me. It's a fact that a lot of women want to know asap if they're pregnant for the health of the baby. A fact, not an opinion.

It's because of the time limits that states have set on abortions, It's a much smaller procedure if the fetus is nothing more than a few cells in size.

Just to claify a few things, many of the things I am posting are actually thoughts/posts/or reasons that I have been given in other formats and other discussions about abortions from many militant supporters of abortion.

The fetus has been called a fungus,a parasite because it feeds off the womans body for 9 months,infection,tumor, and many other things by women who have had multiple abortions and if you talked them you would think they would kill you for their right to continue having them.

I think it would surprise you how vile some of these women are, so if I seem to not give a shit about some of the more touchy feely things that are being posted in connection with a discussion about abortion and not child birth it's because I don't, women are down right violent when it comes to their right to dismember a baby.

Hotd, In reality I know that earlier is better but as a matter of course a woman will know she is pregnant in plenty of time to change and do the right things to take care of the fetus and produce a healthy baby.

This all started from a particular sentence and that was disgust that insurance doesn't pay for the test, I said pretty much so what? insurance pays after you know you're pregnant so pre natal care is available and free if you can't afford it.

Thanks for the reply, Dick. I admire your commitment to children and right to life. I see where you're coming from. I have some differing opinions, but I love children too and wish that every pregnancy was desired and positive. Unfortunately, that's not reality, and there are issues such as the parents' rights to live a lifestyle of their choosing, high cost of providing health services to women who would be compelled to adopt out if abortion wasn't an option, cost of government funding for families who have children when they don't have the means to support them (yet won't adopt them out), etc..

So, I too am sorry if I don't sound touchy feely when I consider economics as a big part of the equation when evaluating very personal and social issues. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned about the personal aspects. Rather, it's just natural for me to look at cost and trade-offs in forming my opinions - in the same manner that it's natural for you to consider your commitments and faith in forming yours, I suspect.

HotD, have you ever considered becoming a politician?

(05-08-2012, 05:04 PM)username Wrote: HotD, ever considered working in politics?

Hey now!