(07-30-2012, 08:04 PM)NightOwl Wrote: "Tape a bag on his head! its just that simple."

I like it - simple and just.

(07-18-2012, 02:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: just as an aside...is there anyone who remembers back at the beginning i said murder was not planned and they found the bags at the house? they did not bring the bags. they brought the tape for restraint purposes. then of course it all went bad.
and female DNA on the tape could be from whoever might have handled that roll of tape prior to murders. a little out there, but i would argue it if i were defense. god forbid.

I remember LC, because I agreed with you strongly on this and that is what prompted my first post on the board. I must confess I truly am surprised that TW has not been charged in connection with this because I really felt she was involved. I also agree about cross contamination on the tape, but I think the location of the DNA on the tape would be significant. If it is on the sticky side of the tape, it would imply that it came from people that were at the scene of the crime. If were on the outside/ non-sticky side, it could have been from anyone who handled the tape, including someone that loaned the roll of tape to them.

As far as this retardation thing goes, I personally believe that no one should be able to claim retardation as a legal defense, unless they were legally declared retarded BEFORE they committed a crime. I cannot believe a judge let him get away with that, but that is okay- we can hope that if he goes down that the boys in prison make him wish had gotten death instead! A special thank you to the Mock reporters who are going to the trial and bringing back news. Your doing an amazing job, and I know I am one of many on here who appreciate your efforts in keeping us all up to date. thank you!!!

The Unknown Female #1 DNA on the tape matched DNA on Johnny's sweatpants, according to the BCII scientist who testified, so it eliminates a casual transfer. At least by a woman. The tape also had DNA from an Unknown Male. There was also hair on his sweatpants from Unknown Females #2 and #3.

(07-30-2012, 06:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(07-30-2012, 06:40 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I'd like to tell that old bat to STFU. Her son got Lisa killed. I know that's harsh speaking ill of the dead but it's a fact, he played a starring role in this and deserves some of the blame too. He was a lying fool.

Oh bullshit. How did Verbosky know immediately that bragging about a safe was the motive? He couldn't have. Johnny Clarke DID NOT KNOW HIS KILLERS, according to the testimony of AC. AC said she never introduced them. There isn't a shred of evidence to support blaming Johnny Clarke. Early on it was said that Johnny bragged about a safe. That has not been substantiated. Maytee said that the murders would be tied to Lisa and her friends, given the murder happened as the Staubs. Regardless, no one knows the motive until the killers talk.

BOTH Lisa and Johnny knew TW, AC, AG and the gang. LISA allowed these hood-rats to party in her home, didn't she? Regardless, she's not to blame. Neither is Johnny Clarke.

Sam Williams and his gang are to blame. Saying anything else, while lamenting that Maytee "laid blame at Lisa's feet," is hypocritical.

didn't the punch holes in the walls too? that would seem that they were looking for a safe... also Erik Yingling testified that Sam mentioned the safe.

Has anybody thought of what was in the drawer of Sam's dresser that was so important to get rid of? Drugs? Evidence of the crime committed at the Straub's? Maybe a momento? What the hell could it be? It's bugging me because it probably would of sealed the case!

Snoopy, in CP's trial, they stated that he was declared developmentally disabled long before trial ..as a child.

I was thinking...what if the jury knew exactly what they were doing?
What if, by deciding to deadlock, and thus taking death completely off the radar,
they wanted to be sure that Sam would be in a general population setting with other lifers,
instead of being in solitary on death row....so he could suffer from fear, beatings, rapes,
for years for what he did. Its not going to sit well that he killed a woman, especially as
beautiful as Lisa was, AND made her suffer so horribly the way they made that poor girl
suffer. As weird as it sounds, there is an honor code amongst inmates...and crimes against
women and children are bottom of the barrel crimes, and almost always street justice
is dealt in some way. Perhaps the jury was aware of this...and put Sam in the position to
live his consequences and give karma a chance to really get its fill.

(07-31-2012, 02:59 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: As weird as it sounds, there is an honor code amongst inmates...and crimes against
women and children are bottom of the barrel crimes, and almost always street justice
is dealt in some way. Perhaps the jury was aware of this...and put Sam in the position to
live his consequences and give karma a chance to really get its fill.

I always wonder if this is just wishful thinking. Either way, I'm sure prison isn't a pleasant experience, and loss of freedom is actually a pretty steep penalty on its own. Probably don't need the added cruelty for it to be punishment.

(07-19-2012, 02:41 PM)wupdawg Wrote: I do not post very often, just a lurker. 13 Action News appears to have the complete opening statments available on video. Not certain if someone has posted this already or not. I am not an expert but if you click on the link I attached you can see "related videos" and they have "Pettaway Trial, Day 1 Part 1" and then Part 2 and Part 3. Sorry if this was posted already!

http://www.13abc.com/story/19045456/2012...on-petaway

or
http://www.13abc.com/global/category.asp...Id=7518200

I am VERY late reading the posts. . are there any other video of the courtroom proceedings? I am now watching part 3. Thank you

(07-30-2012, 02:43 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(07-30-2012, 02:38 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Williams mother failed.

She certainly did, so did Killa Cam's mother and Maytee as well. Those women were supposed to set an example for their children, a good example and they failed miserably & lives were lost. I hope every one of them feels a sense of guilt because they all played a role in this story.

Guilt....first of all you have to have a conscious. With Maytee to expose Johnny to such crap like drugs and husltling. In the beginning most of the pills came directly from mommy dearest own personal prescription. Early in this investigation Maytee did an interview saying that "it was not in Johnny and Lisa's character to do prescription drugs". Lies! for wanting so badly to be the "cool" parents and allowing and supplying pot and pills to Johnny, Lisa and lots of other neighborhood kids.....hmm, let's say "SHAME ON YOU". This case is not over with by any means. IMO-I still believe that with good police work that this case can easily be solved and every single person responsible can be behind bars. Fellow Mockers I am requesting that you submit any crazy information in which you may have heard to Lady Cop to help prove who the real Maytee is because I know for a fact that Maytee is no stranger to torcher and that she has been involved in crimes in the past which are actually very simular in nature to the Clarke/Straub case.
Here is something for you to think about: first 9-11 call @ 1:21 am...mom is frantic and needs medical sent to her home (6 min online to dispatch, EMT's did come to house stayed for more than 10 mins which puts the time close to 1:40 am)

Quote:. Second 9-11 call @2:06 am...mom made a miraculous recovery and has now turned detective and is on her way over to the Straubs house. In the second call mom wants to file a missing person report on her son who isn't answering his phone and she tells dispather "I want t know if they have been abducted by whoever tried to assault and rob them". This time cops came out and stayed for 40 mins checking the situation.
The third 9-11 call 3:50 am after the discovery from the Clarkes who never drove back home but instead drove to a nearby gas station and decided to go back to the house...a lot of unexplained time unaccounted for here. I also find it strange that John Sr. took a hand gun along with him to the Straubs when Tiff picked him up and that he also had tossed a knife in a bush outside of the garage door which was discovered a few days later by cops and was admitted to by Clarke. I smell deception in the worst way....

(07-31-2012, 05:41 AM)soothsayer Wrote:

(07-31-2012, 02:59 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: As weird as it sounds, there is an honor code amongst inmates...and crimes against
women and children are bottom of the barrel crimes, and almost always street justice
is dealt in some way. Perhaps the jury was aware of this...and put Sam in the position to
live his consequences and give karma a chance to really get its fill.

I always wonder if this is just wishful thinking. Either way, I'm sure prison isn't a pleasant experience, and loss of freedom is actually a pretty steep penalty on its own. Probably don't need the added cruelty for it to be punishment.

from what ive been told, by former inmates, that code is real.

whoa.
gonna be thinking on this quite a bit.
what do you think LC?

(07-30-2012, 09:41 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Karen Bland · Works at Self employed accountant
Off topic - Attn: M**kers please say hello MikeyA, aka Ladyflop. Tell her that anyone who doesn't realize MikeyA is one of her many sock puppets is retarded. Sorry I couldn't respond on the sh*thole of a discussion board (that continues to try and pit the families of the victims against one another) but I've been banned.
Reply · Like · Follow Post · 27 minutes ago

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2012/0...trial.html
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stupid cow!! hahahaha i have no alts/'puppets'. unlike you, i don't need them. i've been lady cop online for 10 years.
and you're not banned. just a virgin again. fucking moron.
you have always been an idiot netsleuth.
how's that lobotomy working out for you?


karen bland AKA netsleuth...licking criminal ass since 2011

LOL, too funny LC. I think if you put your hand in me my wife might have something to say about it plus it'd probably bruise like hell. LOL

I think Karen Bland must be a moron because she could have easily looked at my posts on here to find out information about me to include pictures of me. Either that or she's just completely lazy.

As her comments in here as netsleuth has proven she's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. So I'm betting on moron. She's just pissed that I don't mince words. I think her post solved the question I posed earlier about her and Cameo.

I'm the sockiest sock puppet who ever puppetted!

LC was that from her facebook? Is it public or private? I just want someone to get me a screenshot of that. It's priceless!

OH, LC, I also wanted to let you know that you've been posting to Swampbubbles.com, GlassCityJungle.com, ToledoTalk.com, and the Blade.com using the MikeyA moniker since 2004, way before the killings you had an interest in Toledo. I guess the question is why are you stalking the city?

LOL She has once again reaffirmed my belief that the majority on Facebook are retards.

(07-31-2012, 12:51 AM)Sonny223 Wrote: Has anybody thought of what was in the drawer of Sam's dresser that was so important to get rid of? Drugs? Evidence of the crime committed at the Straub's? Maybe a momento? What the hell could it be? It's bugging me because it probably would of sealed the case!

Me, I've been pondering over what was in the drawers, Sam needed all that gone, they got me down on two murders he tells Cameo. This is 8 months after the crimes, so he was so confident that he was never going to be caught, imagine he has something connected to the crime that links him thrown in a drawer. We should ask Cameo what it was, he knows and if Cameo retrieved what ever the heck it was did he save it? destroy it? it could be evidence that could destroy the others involved.

Maytee should start what was in the drawer Cameo campaign.

While we are at it Sonny223 since you brought up this good point, what's your take on this weasel Steven Pettaway? Here we have this "Rick James" Sam instructs Starla to call him via a three-way conversation, Sam doesn't want this known and "Rick James" is actually Steven Pettaway, then this rant goes back and forth between them, some statements stick out like this one Sam Williams "when you was in the joint we took off man, you hear me?"

Steven Pettaway: "Man, I already know, I already know."

Sam: "That was supposed to be me and you, but you know little bro had to step up to take your spot man."

Steven: "Yeah, but you know he didn't do it right like I would have did it right"

So it was supposed to be Steven Pettaway and Samuel Williams that night? that is my take on it! What is Steven Pettaway head weasel or what? if it was supposed to be him that night then he knows the killers?

Has this been a pattern? this crew running around torturing people or what and this is one job that went wrong?

This line on the phone calls get this one Sam is still talking to Steven:
Sam: "You got to understand how young he is. He ain't never bitted before. But he's trying to listen to them old heads."

For never having bitted before I'd say old Cam did pretty good he's FREE
he's away Sam, free as a bird checking out his Blue Shoes.

Mikey: LC was that from her facebook? Is it public or private? I just want someone to get me a screenshot of that. It's priceless!
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it appears it was posted in Blade comments, but it's since been removed.
you asked who karen bland is in the rantings thread...i can't give out personal info on nutsleuth/bland such as her location. but she has sucked up to maytee the criminal's fb pages since the beginning ...suck suck slurp. despite all the hard evidence that maytee is a lying nutjob ex-con. oddly enough she isn't visible now, did maytee find a better suckup and delete karen bland? only her hairdresser knows for sure.

(07-31-2012, 12:51 AM)Sonny223 Wrote: Has anybody thought of what was in the drawer of Sam's dresser that was so important to get rid of? Drugs? Evidence of the crime committed at the Straub's? Maybe a momento? What the hell could it be? It's bugging me because it probably would of sealed the case!

I realize it could be figurative, but when he repeated, "You know what time it is," I was wondering if maybe he had taken a watch.

(07-31-2012, 01:53 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: whoa.
gonna be thinking on this quite a bit.
what do you think LC?

are you referring to TruthBeTold's post? i was pretty surprised to read it here in public myself, i have corresponded with that person throughout, privately. all i can say is Truth is in a position to know what he/she is talking about and has a lot of cred with me.

If Cameo and Sam were both known to be *pimps*, do you think the unknown DNA could belong to some of their prostitutes?? Prostitutes are usually big time druggies, so perhaps these pimps used them to do their dirty work as some kind of payback??

I say, start swabbing them hoes!

Nightowl said....
then this rant goes back and forth between them, some statements stick out like this one Sam Williams "when you was in the joint we took off man, you hear me?"

sounds as if he was reassuring himself of his alibi. That they were partners in crime (literally) and wanted it to look
like they never perpetrated, one without the other.