(08-14-2012, 03:54 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(08-14-2012, 12:35 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Justice for Johnny & Lisa
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MASTER PLAN IN FULL EFFECT.....
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-----------> Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
MASTER PLAN IN FULL EFFECT......


like she masterminded the great jewelry store heist??

Snap! Good one LC.

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Let me clarify somethings I got acquitted because I didn't have nothing to do wii it. No I'm not running or hiding. they say I got a price tag on my head I really wish a n**** would been out here I'm a bee out here....

finally got 4 new pictures posted up , 1 of him down by the water , 1 in his nice ride , 1 with alot of money , and 1 of his hem engine.

(08-13-2012, 05:59 PM)YourOtherLeft Wrote: I attended the trial the day the deputy coroner testified...and no, L.S. tongue was not excised, at least not according to the testimony I heard. But, she had contusions and abrasions on neck, wrists, hip, chin, elbow (similar to johnny ) mostly from trying to fight off the duct tape. And, fyi no signs of sexual assault.

YourOtherLeft, thanks for above. I'd like to add here, I recall the Prosecutor describing Johnny's brow and how horrific his head looked, I wondered if someone took their foot & held his head down, I now think the Prosecutor mentioned the following:- petechiae - pinpoint bruises. (However, this type of bruise or haemorrhage are usually due to venous engorgement, for example in asphyxia, or in defects in blood coagulation such as Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC) than trauma). Light trauma may produce petechial haemorrhage, but those caused by venous congestion etc are more diffuse in nature. .

It's all hellish reading this about Lisa above and the struggle and I was trying to figure out Johnny's head and why not Lisa's and more and more Yingling did say Williams was haunted by the crinkling sound of the plastic bag sucking in and out, I believe Johnny watched Lisa die first.

(08-13-2012, 08:02 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: there dont have to be proof , eric yingling oldest daughter was friends with lisa straub . So yes just like you hear your stories , im proving that i also hear this on the other end .

and yes a lump some of money , the same amount your hearing for someone to catch cameo , is about the same amount i heard eric got cashed out with !

as for your speculations of AC there very accurate and hopefully she will be the NEXT one the police FINALLY arrest !

Ok, I'd be interested in knowing how EY's oldest daughter was friends with LS. Longacre is a long way from the East Side even taking the highway.

Likewise the person previously identified both in court and via the paper as Lisa's best friend was SM, who lived down the road from LS for the last 15 years or so. Also, SM and LS have strong ties to the South End. In fact, SM lived on the same street as JC when she was very very young, I know this because I too lived in the same area when I was very young.

EY, is a lifelong Eastsider. If anything his ties are closer to SW and CP. If he has a daughter she would have attended Waite H.S. Longacre is in Springfield School District and the only two Toledo H.S.'s that border it are Rogers and Bowsher (where JC graduated).

So the only way I can forsee her having befriended Yingling's daughter is if it was at Owens. It's not unheard of but again the chances of them becoming friends within a two year period, one getting murdered, and the other's father being coincidently arrested at the same time and put within close proximity to the murder is a big stretch.

Like I said, it's not impossible, but highly improbable. So again I must ask you to prove the connection.

lucimhome, stated my daughter played volleyball with Lisa, I thought this was interesting. Wondering?

(08-14-2012, 05:04 PM)NightOwl Wrote: lucimhome, stated my daughter played volleyball with Lisa, I thought this was interesting. Wondering?

I don't live any where around Lisa or on the East side. However, Toledo has several TRAVEL Volleyball Clubs. They try out for the clubs from all over. Oregon, Sylvania, Toledo, Holland, Rossford etc......
My daughter and Lisa played for Glass City.

for the record...re: maytee.

someday all her facebook posts are going to be used as evidence in a serious issue with her...criminal matter or mental meltdown.
that's one of the first things investigators look at when something bad happens. they are so revealing. and she can't seem to use common sense or control in what she posts. especially threats.
her facebook posts are a psychiatrist's wet dream. an entire chapter in DSM.

see Butterfly's posts on page 75:

http://mockforums.net/post-278132.html#pid278132

(08-13-2012, 04:00 PM)MikeyA Wrote: To greenfrog and the person emailing LC (I didn't catch if they were the same or not)

You want us to have pity for your son because his father will not be around. I have pity for your son because both his parents are obviously stupid. Yes, I'm sorry for the insult but it is true. You opened your legs to a psychotic pimp/drug user. That is a fact. So you must not be smart either. The truth hurts. I'd recommend if you are attracted to thugs to at least just swallow or get a morning after pill so your stupid decisions stop infecting the world. Again, I apologize but the truth hurts.

Second, yes Maytee is partly responsible for her sons death, that is why she acts why she does. Her son was not innocent and it was because of the way she raised him. I'd behoove you to learn from her mistakes and change your life. Make a complete lifestyle change, move from Toledo, separate yourself entirely. If not you will doom your son and be as guilty as Maytee when your son ends up like Johnny or Sam.

Yes, Cameo is retarded. Saying that he's not or is just not smart doesn't take away that it was proven in court that he is borderline retarded. It is now a matter of fact that he's a retard.

Third, if you think Cameo was not there and his DNA ended up on the cigarette in some other way then YOU are a retard. It's called the law of probability but I'd venture you don't understand it because you are in fact a retard.

Forth, I hope Sam enjoyed his time selling pussy. Now the only pussy he's going to be selling is the 3 inches below his eyeballs.

Fifth, if you think "Cam never leaves his phone, not even to go to the bathroom" then again, you are retarded. If you believe that I'd like to sell you a brick of the Brooklyn Bridge. You are obviously as dumb as Cameo to believe that lame ass excuse of an alibi.

Actually maybe u should of asked if Sam said ever into trouble or the street when we were married and my answer would of been no he was not. ..he was a stay at home dad and as far as me sticking around him no as it was stated before I had left the whole situation before it got worse than it was so I did take my son out the picture of bring around the violence but I try my daamn hardest to show my son the right way in life and respect. ...so in my eyes I do a damn great job as being a mother to him

(08-15-2012, 07:53 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Actually maybe u should of asked if Sam said ever into trouble or the street when we were married and my answer would of been no he was not. ..he was a stay at home dad and as far as me sticking around him no as it was stated before I had left the whole situation before it got worse than it was so I did take my son out the picture of bring around the violence but I try my daamn hardest to show my son the right way in life and respect. ...so in my eyes I do a damn great job as being a mother to him

Well I can't ask Sam, he is in jail, and I've found people don't just suddenly become murderers one day, it's generally a process and although you're probably in denial he was on that path already when you were married. You are entitled to your opinion though.

My guess is him being a stay at home Dad was probably a clue. He was a grown ass man of working age yet he allowed his wife to provide for his family. I've seen the transcripts. Sam bought into the machismo way of life, I know this because he was a pimp. What grown ass man like that allows his wife to provide for his family?

Now if you're a college educated executive and him an artist I'd support the decision but I'm guessing from what I know about him and what I know about the area I'd put money it was a decision that was forced upon the two of you because of a lack of education, work ethic, or both.

In your eyes you maybe do a damn *good job but as a taxpayer and citizen I could give a damn about your opinion. Your son is now the son of a convicted murderer and pimp. Most likely I have paid for him and will pay for him. If not I applaud you I'm just going by the statistics. According to which, he will be lucky to graduate high school, he will most likely become a drug user, he will most likely become a convicted felon as well. Again just using the law of probabilities. So if you choose to stay in the Toledo area I think you are supporting those probabilities.

Again I'm sorry if you think I'm being mean. I don't intend to. I see your son as another victim of this crime because he's not a victim of his own choices. You and Sam are victims of your own choices. Because neither of you seemed like you have a job that could will have you retiring in Ottawa Hills, or even Monclova for that matter, then those choices are almost always the wrong ones.

(08-15-2012, 09:15 AM)MikeyA Wrote:

(08-15-2012, 07:53 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Actually maybe u should of asked if Sam said ever into trouble or the street when we were married and my answer would of been no he was not. ..he was a stay at home dad and as far as me sticking around him no as it was stated before I had left the whole situation before it got worse than it was so I did take my son out the picture of bring around the violence but I try my daamn hardest to show my son the right way in life and respect. ...so in my eyes I do a damn great job as being a mother to him

Well I can't ask Sam, he is in jail, and I've found people don't just suddenly become murderers one day, it's generally a process and although you're probably in denial he was on that path already when you were married. You are entitled to your opinion though.

My guess is him being a stay at home Dad was probably a clue. He was a grown ass man of working age yet he allowed his wife to provide for his family. I've seen the transcripts. Sam bought into the machismo way of life, I know this because he was a pimp. What grown ass man like that allows his wife to provide for his family?

Now if you're a college educated executive and him an artist I'd support the decision but I'm guessing from what I know about him and what I know about the area I'd put money it was a decision that was forced upon the two of you because of a lack of education, work ethic, or both.

In your eyes you maybe do a damn *good job but as a taxpayer and citizen I could give a damn about your opinion. Your son is now the son of a convicted murderer and pimp. Most likely I have paid for him and will pay for him. If not I applaud you I'm just going by the statistics. According to which, he will be lucky to graduate high school, he will most likely become a drug user, he will most likely become a convicted felon as well. Again just using the law of probabilities. So if you choose to stay in the Toledo area I think you are supporting those probabilities.

Again I'm sorry if you think I'm being mean. I don't intend to. I see your son as another victim of this crime because he's not a victim of his own choices. You and Sam are victims of your own choices. Because neither of you seemed like you have a job that could will have you retiring in Ottawa Hills, or even Monclova for that matter, then those choices are almost always the wrong ones.

First of all PICK YOUR BATTLES greenfrog that's what I have chosen to do on here.

Mikey, I understand what you are putting out here about the law of probabilities. But you not knowing her or her family background have no right calling her names.
She is a good Mom and she has alot of good role models around her. There was no sign 7 years ago that Sam was a drug/pimp. They where two young kids just out of school. She did what she had to do to be able to support her baby (xxx). She didn't sit home and live off the system. She went and got a job to take care of him. Sam wasn't doing that so she did what she knows was the right thing to do. But again there was no sign of what Sam has become 7 years later. The reason I say 7 years is because I was around him when she was pregnant.
Sam had the same role models around him also. He chose to become a Thug she is not responsible for his life choices.

Mikey: unless you know for sure about her life and what she is doing about it you can STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING.
You have no clue what her life plan is for her family. Everything takes time and money to make the moves you are talking about.

I have read all the motions and all of the court docket that is online for both trials I think it was a good suggestion for her to do. After reading all of the information there is NO WAY ANYONE WOULD THINK SAM AND CAM DIDN'T DO THE KILLINGS.

Maybe it is her DNA at the scene?

RE CAMEO's POST....

Let me clarify somethings I got acquitted because I didn't have nothing to do wii it.

Did anyone notice the use of the double negative? Guess he just admitted to doing it.

(08-15-2012, 01:36 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: RE CAMEO's POST....

Let me clarify somethings I got acquitted because I didn't have nothing to do wii it.

Did anyone notice the use of the double negative? Guess he just admitted to doing it.

F'N retard.

(08-15-2012, 01:17 PM)lucimhome Wrote: First of all PICK YOUR BATTLES greenfrog that's what I have chosen to do on here.

Mikey, I understand what you are putting out here about the law of probabilities. But you not knowing her or her family background have no right calling her names.
She is a good Mom and she has alot of good role models around her. There was no sign 7 years ago that Sam was a drug/pimp. They where two young kids just out of school. She did what she had to do to be able to support her baby (xxx). She didn't sit home and live off the system. She went and got a job to take care of him. Sam wasn't doing that so she did what she knows was the right thing to do. But again there was no sign of what Sam has become 7 years later. The reason I say 7 years is because I was around him when she was pregnant.
Sam had the same role models around him also. He chose to become a Thug she is not responsible for his life choices.

Mikey: unless you know for sure about her life and what she is doing about it you can STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING.
You have no clue what her life plan is for her family. Everything takes time and money to make the moves you are talking about.

I have read all the motions and all of the court docket that is online for both trials I think it was a good suggestion for her to do. After reading all of the information there is NO WAY ANYONE WOULD THINK SAM AND CAM DIDN'T DO THE KILLINGS.

Luci, first, in the quote of mine you quoted I did not call any names. In fact I apologize for my bluntness or for as I put it "being mean". In the post where I did use the phrase retard I acknowledged in it that she may or may not have been the individual emailing LC. LC has since acknowledged they are different.

Secondly, no one wakes up and decides to become a pimp/murderer. I'd be willing to bet if we looked into Sam's h.s. record we'd find a series of fights, drug use, and antisocial behavior. Now one can explain this away as "something teenagers do" but there are always leaders and followers. While teenagers may do that the leader of that behavior is the one most prone to later anti-social while the followers leave it behind once they mature.

We all know he had a violent past. If you look at it truthfully you'll see it showed itself before she had the baby, unless if she got pregnant the first night she met him which again poor choices lead to bad situations which lead to more poor choices. Again you must analyze it truthfully, which by your post it doesn't seem like you're willing to do. No one will deceive you more than you will deceive yourself.

"Sam had the same role models around him also. He chose to become a Thug she is not responsible for his life choices."

Here is where you are wrong. She chose to have a child with him. His choices now will affect their child. So yes she IS responsible for his life choices because those choices WILL AFFECT her son. She accepted that responsibility the moment she chose allow his dick inside her without a condom.

And now because her son will most likely need taxpayer assistance in his life I am NOW RESPONSIBLE for him as well and I didn't even get the benefit of a blowjob out of the deal.

"You have no clue what her life plan is for her family. Everything takes time and money to make the moves you are talking about."

No you stop with the "You don't know her and her situation." argument and save it for Maury Povich.

Time and money eh? Ok, how much? When?

The fact is people change their lives on a whim all the time, sometimes at a very low cost. For instance are you aware a Greyhound bus ticket is less than $50 from Toledo to most of the East Coast? Are you aware that most ²⁄_3^rds of the country have a lower cost of living than Toledo Ohio? Drastic changes can be made if the individuals are intent on making them. A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

I'd recommend these changes as soon as possible. Once her son becomes permanently branded as the "boy who's dad killed people" he will not be able to shake the stigma. Again I could care less about her and Sam. Now the focus should be not letting her son become a statistic. The only sure way I've seen to break the paradigm is complete environment change. I know this because I've seen, been friends with, and mentored many Marines who grew up in situations like this. Their change of environment in many cases were able to help them break the cycle, in a few cases even that change was not enough.

Mikeya, I have met Jr. His mother I haven't, I truley find Jr. to be a fine young man. He is polite,
he uses please, thank you, excuse me.... he plays well with other kids and also helps with younger children. From what I know this has been taught to him by his mother..... as we all know Sam probably has no clue on how to even use these words!
I also know that at one point, before these murders, Sam wasn't allowed to get Sammy! I am thinking his mom was the one behind that. I APPLAUED her just for that! What I don't understand or know, is when or why that changed! I was in total shock to see her testify for Sam... just my opinion being thrown your way.

That's some high horse you're sittin' on Mikey.

(08-15-2012, 04:04 PM)Duchess Wrote:

That's some high horse you're sittin' on Mikey.

No shit! And IIRC, MikeyA was a big defender of Joe Paterno too, so maybe his 'insight' isn't as keen as he'd like to think it is.