He would have grabbed his arms and pulled but all that would come was the upper torso with the guys wide eyed face staring at him in disbelief. Now THAT would be a picture.

(12-06-2012, 01:33 PM)Maggot Wrote: He would have grabbed his arms and pulled but all that would come was the upper torso with the guys wide eyed face staring at him in disbelief. Now THAT would be a picture.

Which reminds me of a great scene from Total Recall with Arnold. He's fighting with his antagonist, who proceeds to have his arms severed with Arnold holding one in each hand. Arnold throws severed arms down the elevator shaft in the direction of said enemy (who has fallen) and says, "See you at the party, Richter!"

You had to be there.

(12-06-2012, 01:10 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: That train is rolling pretty fast, the photog would have to cover some distance, get hold of the guy and pull him up, is he even capable of doing that? Would he put himself in danger by trying? How many people would? Obviously no one else on the platform did either.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, especially from behind a keyboard. Your entitled to your opinions, but keep in mind you weren't there.

I agree.

I also personally don't object to the pic being published. JMO.

(12-05-2012, 07:37 PM)Donovan Wrote: I think it should be printed. Photography is at its best when it is provocative, and this was news. Is it any different than when pictures come back of people carrying broken and shattered kids out of a bombed Afghani marketplace? Or like the famous picture of the vulture stalking the Sudanese kid?

The guy, Kevin Carter, who took this Pulitzer prize winning pic, committed suicide 3 months later. He regretted not assisting the girl, even though journalists were warned not to touch famine victims due to disease.

http://exposingthetruth.info/vulture-sta...h-for-you/

(12-06-2012, 01:10 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: The photo is in bad taste, no doubt. But its one image and how many assholes are running around out there with their pants hangiong off their ass? Thats seriously in bad taste
I don't see the big deal in printing the pic or in giving the photographer a bunch of shit about taking the pic instead of helping the guy. That train is rolling pretty fast, the photog would have to cover some distance, get hold of the guy and pull him up, is he even capable of doing that? Would he put himself in danger by trying? How many people would? Obviously no one else on the platform did either.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, especially from behind a keyboard. Your entitled to your opinions, but keep in mind you weren't there.

I would've tried to help him. Just my experience - but, truly I was waiting on that same platform for the same train the day before this happened. It is a busy ass train and the pic doesn't show it but, there should've been a shit ton of people right there that could've tried to help him up. I will say this though, those fucking trains come fast and you have about a 45 second period to figure out if the whoosh of an oncoming train is coming to your platform or the one on the other side so, that could be part of the problem. Plus, he seems to have been pushed and landed in between 2 tracks and had to maneuver over those rails to get to where he was which may have been too little time. This story bothers the shit out of me because I was there so recently and what if it had been one of the people I was with? I'm not for sensorship either but, this one bothers the fuck out of me.

The guy who shot the pic freelances for that paper. Didn't know that before. He's on CNN tonight.

With regards to other people on the platform, I don't think they weren't willing to help. I imagine by the time it takes your brain to think "oh shit, man in there...train coming", it's probably over.

DMP...very coincidental!

(12-06-2012, 08:06 PM)username Wrote: The guy who shot the pic freelances for that paper. Didn't know that before. He's on CNN tonight.

With regards to other people on the platform, I don't think they weren't willing to help. I imagine by the time it takes your brain to think "oh shit, man in there...train coming", it's probably over.

DMP...very coincidental!

User, that's why I get a not-so-noble feeling about the photog. From what I heard, the people who were close to the platform during all of this basically saw the inevitable coming and started to turn and run away because they didn't want to witness the carnage. A doctor who was there said the victim was still alive after and was trying to protect the people around him from witnessing this. There is also rumor that he had confronted the "pusher" prior to the push.

(12-06-2012, 08:10 PM)DMP Wrote:

(12-06-2012, 08:06 PM)username Wrote: The guy who shot the pic freelances for that paper. Didn't know that before. He's on CNN tonight.

With regards to other people on the platform, I don't think they weren't willing to help. I imagine by the time it takes your brain to think "oh shit, man in there...train coming", it's probably over.

DMP...very coincidental!

User, that's why I get a not-so-noble feeling about the photog. From what I heard, the people who were close to the platform during all of this basically saw the inevitable coming and started to turn and run away because they didn't want to witness the carnage. A doctor who was there said the victim was still alive after and was trying to protect the people around him from witnessing this. There is also rumor that he had confronted the "pusher" prior to the push.

There WAS a confrontation beforehand. Varying accounts.
Another report says that witnesses were busy videoing the man AFTER he was struck by the train. Sick stuff.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/...ictim?lite

(12-06-2012, 08:10 PM)DMP Wrote: From what I heard, the people who were close to the platform during all of this basically saw the inevitable coming and started to turn and run away because they didn't want to witness the carnage. A doctor who was there said the victim was still alive after and was trying to protect the people around him from witnessing this. There is also rumor that he had confronted the "pusher" prior to the push.

I can totally understand that. On separate occasions, I've seen a cat and a dog hit by a car and in both cases, there was NOTHING I could do to prevent it. Now, if I'm driving down the freeway (or some busy road) and I see an animal that is subject to being hit and I know I can't do anything remotely safe to help, I don't look.

I hate to say it but I'm surprised that there was enough left of him to perform CPR.

I just watched the photographer interviewed on CNN. In hindsight, he wishes he'd yelled at the guy to run away from the train. So obvious but I can see that common sense getting lost in the hysteria. Sad.

Something like this is so rare and so unexpected that I can understand bystanders not being able to fully process what had happened, much less determine whether it was safe for them to try to assist the victim.

It's all very sad. I feel badly for the Q-Train operator who tried to stop in time and then tried to help the victim. I can completely understand why he was treated for shock and is struggling with his emotions.

(12-06-2012, 10:58 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Something like this is so rare and so unexpected that I can understand bystanders not being able to fully process what had happened, much less determine whether it was safe for them to try to assist the victim.

It's all very sad. I feel badly for the Q-Train operator who tried to stop in time and then tried to help the victim. I can completely understand why he was treated for shock and is struggling with his emotions.

True that. I hit a seagull once and had a 45 minute crying jag. Forget when I hit a raccoon - I almost went over the deep end. I can't imagine how this driver feels.

(12-06-2012, 09:46 PM)username Wrote: I just watched the photographer interviewed on CNN. In hindsight, he wishes he'd yelled at the guy to run away from the train. So obvious but I can see that common sense getting lost in the hysteria. Sad.

This is kind of to my point.
So the photog wishes he had yelled at the guy to run away from the train. Ok, lets look at that a bit, In the pic the train is 30 feet of less from the guy and rolling fast, what? 25MPH? Thats 36 feet per second, So the guy yells instead of pushing the button. The victim hears the yell, processes it, understands it, turns and runs right?
He has to run out past the end of the platform to escape, thats 50 or 60 feet away, a human can run 20 mph which is 29 feet persecond (thats a world class sprinter) It will take minimum of 2 seconds for a runner to cover the distance. See where this is going?
When the photog made the decision (not when he pushed the button) to take the pic, the victim was already fucked and there was no escape.
There were probably a lot of people on the platform that would have helped given 2 or 3 more seconds to process the scene and what was going on. It didn't happen that way. The train operator did what he was supposed to do as soon as it was humanly possible to do it, his consience should be clear, but he will beat himself up over it anyways.
DMP, don't do it to yourself too. Watch your ass in places like that, there are a lot of crazy motherfuckers out there, one of the many reasons I don't live in a big city.