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(07-06-2014, 06:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(07-06-2014, 04:46 PM)ramseycat Wrote: I do have a small group of close women and we discuss personal things.

That's not a group, that's a coven and that's exactly what I'm going to try and convince Aussie of.

Now groups of friends (mine happen to be mixed gender, but that's irrelevant) are covens if they don't include my friend aussie?

You realize that her problem is feeling that she's NOT being included in such a coven, right?

Seriously, I think it's nice that you've developed such a close friendship, and I'm pretty sure that you know that I like the hell outta you and generally understand where you're coming from (agree or disagree).

But, even with people whom I love and whose side I will always take up no matter what, like you do with aussie, it's not possible for me to take rationality outta the equation completely in favor of emotion.

So, I'm outta my element again.

(07-06-2014, 06:18 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Now groups of friends (mine happen to be mixed gender, but that's irrelevant) are covens if they don't include my friend aussie?

You realize that her problem is NOT being included in such a coven, right?

Seriously, I think it's nice that you've developed such a close friendship, and I'm pretty sure that you know that I like the hell outta you. But, even with people whom I love and whose side I will always take up no matter what, it's not possible for me to take rationality outta the equation completely in favor of emotion.

So, I'm outta my element again.

I have no problem taking rationality out of almost everything I read in Mock, if I didn't I would no longer be able to post an over the top response and *whoosh* my fun is gone. If I'm forced to be logical I have no interest in playing.

(07-06-2014, 06:24 PM)Duchess Wrote: I have no problem taking rationality out of almost everything I read in Mock, if I didn't I would no longer be able to post an over the top response and *whoosh* my fun is gone. If I'm forced to be logical I have no interest in playing.

I see.

I feel similarly about all emotion, no rationality in an ongoing discussion.

So, it's a good thing that there's a healthy mix of each around here.

Just don't hit me with your effin' handbag!

Well, I am home from night duty and have caught up on all these posts. Thanks Duch for your loyalty. That bitch deserves your handbag to be full of loose change at the bottom when you smack her with it. Just don't risk it with a designer bag.

I know this person from my teens and knew her before she even met or married her husband. We were all a group of friends and as I have said I have been in a few of his bands as a lead singer. First band was a christian band. We are from the same background, same type of people, no one wanted to be around us in those days because we were laughing all the time at everything and annoying to people who were trying to be mature. We once prayed for the pizza delivery guy to be late because we couldn't pay for it and if they were more than 30 minutes you got it for free.

I haven't changed. I am still annoying and laugh at everything. She has become a right wing conservative hardline white picket fence christian. Who even dumped her childhood friend hairdresser who was gay. She didn't really give a reason, but I think it's because he is gay. She is against gay marriage. I am not.

I would rather hang out with my atheist lesbian friends than her anyway. They are very cool and it's an honour to be their friend. I hope they don't find me too nerdy.

(07-06-2014, 05:57 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: P.s. I think sally's situation is different; I understand the concern there. It's not like she found out her old friend was interacting with other people without including her and got bent about it. Her friend fell off the map completely without explanation. That happened to me once, too. It was weird and concerning; still is a little bit. But, once I knew she was alive and well, the mystery reason for her detachment pretty much stopped bothering me.

My situation is fucking weird. The last time I saw her was when we went to the gym together over a year ago, she was supposed to meet me there the next day and I never saw her again. I didn't think much about it at first and just figured she was busy with life stuff. Then I noticed she unfriended my husband which I still didn't think anything of it.

It wasn't until my mom passed away that I tried to get a hold of her, but her phone was disconnected. I ended up finding her on FB and saw that she got married and all her friends were commenting on it. WTF. I don't expect or want to be included in all of my friend's business, but this is someone I've known since I was 13 and had to practically kick her out of the delivery room when I was pregnant because she was ready to break out the video camera. You'd think she'd invite me to the wedding or at least call me up and tell me. I don't even know who the hell she married. I sent her a friend request and asked her what's been going on and to give me her phone number so we could get together, but she was real brief in her reply and that's the last I heard from her.

(07-06-2014, 05:57 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: P.s. I think sally's situation is different

No, you are just being a bitch.

(07-06-2014, 08:14 PM)aussiefriend Wrote:

(07-06-2014, 05:57 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: P.s. I think sally's situation is different

No, you are just being a bitch.

I don't think I'm being a bitch at all, but I'm okay with you seeing it that way.

I really do hope you're good with your situation, aussie. But, it shouldn't shock you to know that I think calling out someone you've known for 30 years (or revealing her identity) because you felt displaced over a lack of invite is just....... you being you. Your friend has changed. My friends have changed over the course of 35 years and so have I. That's healthy, IMO. Some times we're more in synch than others. I don't feel offended when they have other friends who aren't mine, because of their current life circumstances or whatever -- and my friends don't feel like hitting my other friends with a handbag when that happens. I'm not assuming you or your friends here at Mock are wrong. I'm just not assuming that your old friend is wrong and deserved to be called out either. I didn't attend the Oprah "don't blame others, hold them accountable! and never look at yourself" course, though. So, I could be missing critical life skills.

Sally's case is very different, to me. Her friend was there, and then she was gone -- poof -- even though sally never called her out over any real or imagined slight and sally was friends with her through her JW conversion. From what sally just posted, it sounds like it's still a total mystery why the friend pulled a runner. I have no way of knowing why the friend cut sally off, but seems to me maybe it's because sally's not a coddler and the friend has her own doubts about who she married and what's she's doing and knows that sally would tell her the truth for her own good -- even if it hurt her feelings. Or, her friend is now involved with a religion that discourages relationships with non-believers. That's a guess.

As for my friend who completely detached, I suspect that it was something that I said or did (or didn't say or didn't do). It was a time in my life when I wasn't as grounded and solid as usual and I can see her thinking that I let her down because I'd always been kind of a crutch. That's a guess too. I'm okay with it and hope she's well.

Oh you really are a nasty bitch sometimes HoTD. Oprah didn't say that. She was hosting the course, it was a PhD that said it, and it was all about looking at yourself and being brave that's why it said 'stop blaming others' (in regards to bad behaviour) and 'start holding people accountable'.

And you are picking on me, and giving Sally a pass. It's biased and you are just plain wrong wrong wrong. I can't be bothered responded to anymore of what you are talking about. It's all twisted and weird.

(07-06-2014, 08:42 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: I can't be bothered responded to anymore of what you are talking about.

I think that's in your best interest.

How is HOTD being a bitch? And picking on you? Are you for real?

Two words Aussie: Grow. Up.

The JW girl is a different friend lol. We're actually still friends and talk once in a while, but don't hang out because she got too involved with the JW stuff and I made it clear I don't swing that way. I do politely accept and read the watch tower pamphlets she brings me every now and then, however.

I've known her since kindergarten and still consider her my best friend as far as friends are concerned. She was a drunk slut and I guess JW provides something positive in her life. My husband can't stand her and said her becoming a JW was the best thing that ever happened. The last time we partied together she told her 500 lb. husband that she was going to cut him up and put him in a tuna can at the veterans bar. Then she disappeared and some guy found her crying on his back porch at 2:00 in the morning. We still have a laugh about it, but I guess that was her wake up call.

Okay, scratch "the even though sally stood by her during her JW conversion" part of my last post.

The rest still applies.

Had I known that the Munchkins would bring out the Hounds of the Baskervilles I might have thought twice when I thought I was alone I should have been scared.

(07-06-2014, 09:45 PM)Maggot Wrote: Had I known that the Munchkins would bring out the Hounds of the Baskervilles I might have thought twice when I thought I was alone I should have been scared.

When you wake up lazy bums, you take your chances, mister!

Sometimes best to let sleeping dogs lie, I think.

I just talk to myself. I get the best answers that way !

(07-07-2014, 01:35 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I just talk to myself. I get the best answers that way !

Drama, ain't it great!

(07-06-2014, 07:51 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: Thanks Duch for your loyalty.

I adore you, Aussie and I wish I could help you to not give a fuck because the reality is, most people just don't matter and they surely aren't worth the time invested in them trying to figure out why they do what they do. You have a big heart, I don't, so a fuck you attitude comes easier to me. If you can find a way to simply not care you will be pleasantly surprised to discover just how tranquil life becomes.

You do too have a big heart Duchess. You're just realistic and a grown up.