WHYYYYYY haven't they buried that child? What possible reason could they have for holding the body??

(05-04-2015, 08:16 PM)ramseycat Wrote: WHYYYYYY haven't they buried that child? What possible reason could they have for holding the body??

It's not clear to me whether the police are prohibiting the burial of Tamir, or if the family is afraid to bury him before the criminal investigation is complete in case he needs to be examined again. Either way, it's sad.

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The two officers involved, Timothy Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback, have asked a federal judge to halt the family's federal civil rights lawsuit while the sheriff completes an independent criminal investigation. Neither have been charged in Rice's death. City attorneys argued in Loehmann and Garmback's motion that they fear their answers in the federal investigation may self-incriminate them in the criminal case, "where the stakes are significantly higher and their liberty is directly at risk."

If the officers get their wish, the family worries that more delay would weaken their case, as eyewitnesses’ memories fade.

"Plaintiffs (Rice family) are incurring expense daily and are unsure if they can finally rest Tamir Rice due to the pending investigation," the motion says. "A stay would exacerbate this expense and emotional distress." Samaria Rice, Tamir's mother, is now living in a homeless shelter because she "could no longer live next door to the killing field of her son.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/12170...ce-killing

(05-04-2015, 07:34 PM)Duchess Wrote: That's bullshit. All of it, holding on to his body and dragging out the investigation. Five months. Jesus.

The investigation is finally completed and has been turned over to the prosecutor's office.

The Cuyahoga County sheriff's department said Wednesday its investigation into the shooting of Tamir Rice, which has stretched nearly four months, is complete.

"My department has been diligently working on the investigation. We have concluded our work and I have turned it over to the prosecutor who will take it through the next steps," Cuyahoga County Sheriff Clifford Pinkney said in a statement.

The county prosecutor has said the case will be presented to a grand jury that will determine if criminal charges are filed.

Tamir's family currently has a civil rights lawsuit pending in connection with the case. Earlier this week, a federal judge delayed part of that lawsuit, citing concern for the officers' rights against self-incrimination. The judge's ruling doesn't delay the lawsuit as it relates to the city of Cleveland.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/probe-of-pol...ors-hands/

(06-03-2015, 04:30 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: a federal judge delayed part of that lawsuit, citing concern for the officers' rights against self-incrimination.

Would a civilian be given that courtesy?

(06-03-2015, 04:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(06-03-2015, 04:30 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: a federal judge delayed part of that lawsuit, citing concern for the officers' rights against self-incrimination.

Would a civilian be given that courtesy?

Yeah, it happens a lot when victims' families file a civil suit against the defendant(s) before criminal proceedings for the same alleged crime have concluded.

In a civil suit, the burden of proof is much lower for the plaintiff as compared to a criminal trial. If the defendants are deposed and compelled to provide testimony in the civil suit, that testimony could then be disclosed and used against them in the criminal case. That would compromise the defendants' right not to testify in criminal court.

It's better for the criminal proceeding to come first in all fairness, IMO.

The Rice family filed a civil suit against the two officers involved in Tamir's shooting and the city of Cleveland. Since the city of Cleveland is not a defendant in the potential criminal case, that part of the civil suit has not been delayed.

I'm guessing criminal charges won't be filed against the officers, and if they do go to trial, I don't think they'd be convicted.

Not sure about the civil suit.

(06-03-2015, 04:59 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Yeah, it happens a lot when victims' families file a civil suit against the defendant(s) before criminal proceedings for the same alleged crime have concluded.

Thanks!

So glad I didn't shoot my mouth off.

Probable Cause for Both Officers To Be Charged


Tamir Rice was killed 7 months ago

A Cleveland Municipal Court judge said Thursday there was probable cause to charge Officer Loehmann with murder in the killing of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, according to Cleveland.com.

The judge also found there was probable cause to charge officer Frank Garmback, Loehmann's partner, with involuntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, negligent homicide and dereliction of duty.

Judge Ronald Adrine found that there were grounds to prosecute the officers, but he notes in his decision that he is acting in an "advisory" role and that ultimately a grand jury will decide whether charges are warranted.

Adrine's decision notes that in surveillance footage of the incident, “there appears to be little if any time reflected on the video for Rice to react or respond to any verbal or audible commands given from Loehmann and Garmback from their [car] between the time that they first arrived and the time that Rice was shot.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11...64584.html
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So, now we wait to see if the Grand Jury indicts. I'm not sure how long that will take, but hope it's soon.

This is good news!

Everyone & their brother saw there wasn't even a nano second for that boy to react.

Would this mean his family can have his body and finally lay him to rest?

(06-11-2015, 06:38 PM)Duchess Wrote: This is good news!

Everyone & their brother saw there wasn't even a nano second for that boy to react.

Would this mean his family can have his body and finally lay him to rest?

I just checked the status Duchess.

Tamir's mom, Samaria Rice, had him cremated on May 14^th.

She waited 6 months, in case the body needed to be re-examined in order to get what she considers justice for her son.

But, the investigation kept dragging on without a decision regarding charges and she decided she couldn't wait any longer to lay him to rest.

Ref: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/...ign=buffer

Thanks, Hot D. I'm glad his family has been able to do that.

That kid was just headed for a life of crime and thuggery anyway. If those good police offers hadn't taken him out, it was only a matter of time before he went on a crime spree and ended up either in jail or dead.

Have I got that right, MS?

(06-12-2015, 12:43 PM)username Wrote: That kid was just headed for a life of crime and thuggery anyway. If those good police offers hadn't taken him out, it was only a matter of time before he went on a crime spree and ended up either in jail or dead.

Have I got that right, MS?

Sometimes, if you have nothing good to say, it's better to say nothing at all.

Go easy on her MS, she's not had an orgasm for some time. Plus she's a Mormon now.

(06-12-2015, 01:13 PM)Jimbone Wrote: Plus she's a Mormon now.

I'd be a sister-wife with user.

I'd practice polyamory with that grouping.

(06-12-2015, 01:19 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(06-12-2015, 01:13 PM)Jimbone Wrote: Plus she's a Mormon now.

I'd be a sister-wife with user.

Count me in. It doesn't seem like such a bad arrangement--as long as the women are boss of the man. I don't do subservient.

(06-12-2015, 01:13 PM)Jimbone Wrote: Go easy on her MS, she's not had an orgasm for some time.

That will be remedied today.

Not that this is relevant but our area is on an odd/even watering schedule now because of the drought. Odd numbered street addresses can water Mon/Weds/Fri and even numbered addresses Tues/Thurs/Sat. Today is one of our watering days. I plan to use at least half our allotted water amount taking a nice, loooooooong shower with the clit zapper.

(06-12-2015, 01:53 PM)username Wrote: I don't do subservient.

Unless it's a clit zapper.

(06-12-2015, 02:27 PM)Jimbone Wrote:

(06-12-2015, 01:53 PM)username Wrote: I don't do subservient.

Unless it's a clit zapper.

True 'dat. I'm all tingly anticipating my afternoon shower.