I never said it was but I tend to think of them as like the people that stand at corners that hold up a sign that says "will work for food"  when it was never their intention to work but to be given a handout. I do not like beggers, never did. Now if they were held in Mexico and did not set foot in the U.S.A. I would not call them "trespassers" either.

(10-30-2018, 12:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: Much like any criminal that disregards the law anywhere they are giving everyone the bird. That is all it takes. If someone robs a bank, kills someone, rapes them, gets a DUI, they are disregarding the law and they get the same treatment. I don't just reserve it for trespassers.

You view them all as criminals invading the United States? You have more to fear from white men in America than you do those seeking a better way of life.

Some of those immigrants are better human beings than some Americans, surely you know that. The average immigrant simply wants a chance to live in a country that is safe & offers opportunities, they WANT to work and contribute. I feel like you paint them all with the same brush, you see them all as criminals.

Yeah, so then, if/when some of the migrants arrive at the border to apply for asylum, they will not be 'illegal aliens', 'trespassers', nor 'invaders'. That's just inflammatory rhetoric.

Some of them may be criminals. Historically, that's a very low percentage though and they'll be deported.

(10-30-2018, 12:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: That's just inflammatory rhetoric.

It's everywhere right now and I expect it to get worse over the next several days. I expect trump. his administration and the party of trump to go all out until the voting is over next week.

The republican party of Ronald Reagan is gone, it's history. There are still a few true Republicans left, I know because I see them speaking out against trump, I've seen them telling others that people need to vote the GOP out, they say they will get back to their politics one day but it won't be while trump holds the office. I love Steve Schmidt, he reminds me of the republicans I know and love.

They are not doing anything illegal until they step foot on American soil. At that instant they are illegal. If someone knocks on my door and I open the door it does not mean they can come rushing in. But that may be lost on some people. I bet I could come up with a list of all the terrible things that illegals have done in this country, I also bet you would be hard pressed to find a "good" list of things. If one person is killed because of an illegal that is one person that should still be alive. You can say well "whatabout" crimes committed by a legal resident and I would say sure that happens but it is not "preventable" like this could be.

(10-30-2018, 12:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: That's just inflammatory rhetoric.

It's everywhere right now and I expect it to get worse over the next several days. I expect trump. his administration and the party of trump to go all out until the voting is over next week.

The republican party of Ronald Reagan is gone, it's history. There are still a few true Republicans left, I know because I see them speaking out against trump, I've seen them telling others that people need to vote the GOP out, they say they will get back to their politics one day but it won't be while trump holds the office. I love Steve Schmidt, he reminds me of the republicans I know and love.

Because a republican speaks out about Trump does not make them any better or worse than any other republican. What it does show is that Republicans do not walk lock step with each other like the Dems do in a parade with one hand held high.

(10-30-2018, 12:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Yeah, so then, if/when some of the migrants arrive at the border to apply for asylum, they will not be  'illegal aliens', 'trespassers', nor 'invaders'.  That's just inflammatory rhetoric.

Some of them may be criminals.  Historically, that's  a very low percentage though and they'll be deported.

Yes to come back in another caravan. Hopefully they are held at the border until they can be separated and vetted and hopefully vaccinated. Maybe a computer chip inserted so they can be found when they skip court.

(10-30-2018, 12:53 PM)Maggot Wrote: They are not doing anything illegal until they step foot on American soil. At that instant they are illegal. 

Your are misinformed Mags. They are not illegal when they step on American soil if they cross at a point of entry to apply for asylum.

(10-30-2018, 12:59 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:53 PM)Maggot Wrote: They are not doing anything illegal until they step foot on American soil. At that instant they are illegal. 

Your are misinformed Mags. They are not illegal when they step on American soil if they cross at a point of entry to apply for asylum.

They are under arrest when they come in. They cannot just walk away from the detention center where they go to. They do not get miranda rights only citizens get that. I may be wrong but I believe only 3 have gained asylum from the last caravan.

(10-30-2018, 12:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: Because a republican speaks out about Trump does not make them any better or worse than any other republican. What it does show is that Republicans do not walk lock step with each other like the Dems do in a parade with one hand held high.

Actually, Maggot, it does make them better.

(10-30-2018, 01:23 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:59 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:53 PM)Maggot Wrote: They are not doing anything illegal until they step foot on American soil. At that instant they are illegal. 

Your are misinformed Mags. They are not illegal when they step on American soil if they cross at a point of entry to apply for asylum.

They are under arrest when they come in. They cannot just walk away from the detention center where they go to. They do not get miranda rights only citizens get that. I may be wrong but I believe only 3 have gained asylum from the last caravan.

You are misinformed Mags. 

Migrants who cross at points of entry to apply for asylum are not here 'illegally' nor are they under arrest.  

They are detained for processing, questioning, and background checks once they enter.

If they are denied asylum, which the vast majority are, they can appeal the decision in immigration court.  They are legally protected from deportation during this time.

If they're denied asylum and lose their appeals but stay in the U.S. without authorization, then they are here illegally.

This same shit happened with Sarah Palin.  She suddenly appeared on the scene thanks to McCain and all these tea party repubs that had never heard of her before instantly fell in love even though she couldn't construct an intelligible sentence to save her life.  Remember that bullshit about Paul Revere?

[Revere] warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells and making sure as he was riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.

And when people started mocking her revisionist history, her fans kept defacing the Paul Revere wikipedia article to include her mindless drivel to "prove" she was right.

So  here's Trump saying more shit like: thousands of Muslims in NYC danced on roofs after 9-11, the NYSE opened the day after the attack, Trump was a first responder and helped save several people from the rubble, etc ad nauseam and stooges like Maggot swallow it whole.

It's maddening and frustrating that so many people are unable to winnow the lies from the truth. Especially since the lies far outnumber the truth.

(10-30-2018, 12:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: That's just inflammatory rhetoric.

It's everywhere right now and I expect it to get worse over the next several days. I expect trump. his administration and the party of trump to go all out until the voting is over next week.

Yeah, I think you're right about the anti-immigrant rhetoric continuing to grow up until next week.  I hope no related violence goes down between now and then as a result.

I just saw that Trump and some Republicans are talking about 'anchor babies' and 'ending birthright citizenship' again.

It comes across as  a transparent and desperate midterm strategy to rally the 2016 voters who were strongly supportive of  'The Wall' and Trump's anti-immigration stances.  

Trump, the GOP, and all their broadcast allies are clearly using the migrant caravan to ratchet up the same rhetoric again now in hopes of getting out the vote and carrying vulnerable Republicans to victory in the House next week, in my opinion.

(10-20-2018, 11:29 AM)Maggot Wrote: I have no problem with them coming here, get a passport and C'mon down, get a visa and enter and sign in. Whats wrong with that? What is wrong with going the legal route? I really want to know. 

I have not heard a peep from the Democrats on this, are they waiting until Trump deals with it then they can pick apart what he does? I think so. I am also glad that the Mexicans are dealing with this better than they have in the past.  

Here come the Dems with all their wisdom.   If it wasn't for dbl standards they wouldn't have any standards.

(10-30-2018, 12:59 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 12:53 PM)Maggot Wrote: They are not doing anything illegal until they step foot on American soil. At that instant they are illegal. 

Your are misinformed Mags. They are not illegal when they step on American soil if they cross at a point of entry to apply for asylum.

Is that true or not true?

By the laws surrounding asylum they are obliged to request asylum in the first country they enter. That country was not the US. The US does not need to either accept them nor humour their intent.
The should never politely referred to the Mexican border.

(10-30-2018, 03:58 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(10-20-2018, 11:29 AM)Maggot Wrote: I have no problem with them coming here, get a passport and C'mon down, get a visa and enter and sign in. Whats wrong with that? What is wrong with going the legal route? I really want to know. 

I have not heard a peep from the Democrats on this, are they waiting until Trump deals with it then they can pick apart what he does? I think so. I am also glad that the Mexicans are dealing with this better than they have in the past.  

Here come the Dems with all their wisdom.   If it wasn't for dbl standards they wouldn't have any standards.

I don't see a double standard. In my opinion...

The migrant caravan is a gift to Trump just ahead of the midterms.  

He and the Republicans would be fools not to capitalize on it to drum up voter enthusiasm.  Immigration is a bigger problem/anxiety for Republicans than Democrats according to all the surveys I've seen.

However, Trump and company are wrong to lie, demonize, and push conspiracy theories about the migrants. They could just stick to the facts and take advantage of the situation.  Instead, they're drumming up fear and hate very irresponsibly.  I hope it backfires on them at the polls.

It's also politically wise of the Democrats to stay mum on it until after next week's elections.  They should continue to focus on health care, economy, and justice issues rather than get entangled in war of words with the Republicans at this time.

Mexico has offered them jobs and asylum. They chose to not accept it. I don't know why though, it would sure save them a lot of work. Maybe the payoff is bigger.    what could it possibly be hmmmmmmmm. Ask a liberal. They seem to be the smartest people in the room.

Migrants applying for asylum at border entry points are not 'illegal' under U.S. and international law.

The Central Americans who travel through Mexico to seek asylum at U.S. points of entry are perfectly within their rights to do so.

As for the logistics, there's a good flow chart of the process here: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...story.html

Just like a Dem caring about election rather than the task at hand and dealing with real issues. I myself do not see any good from this I do not see any party gaining any "points" from any of it, that is unless they have something to do with all the laws and how easy it is to come into the States today. Other than that election or not it needs to be addressed. Are these people hiding behind a little naked baby or an old lady just trying to come to the U.S.A.?

(10-30-2018, 08:13 PM)Maggot Wrote: Mexico has offered them jobs and asylum. They chose to not accept it. I don't know why though, it would sure save them a lot of work. Maybe the payoff is bigger.    what could it possibly be hmmmmmmmm. Ask a liberal. They seem to be the smartest people in the room.

No one needs to be the smartest person in the room to get/be informed about the subjects they're discussing.

You can actually do it for yourself easily without having to ask a liberal or anyone else.

The U.S. is generally seen as more safe, more driven by equality and opportunity,  and less corrupt than Mexico and most other countries. It's always been a desired destination for a lot of refugees and immigrants.  

However, that perception of the U.S. could be changing.  Maybe you'll get lucky and our country wont' be the kind of place that attracts so many people in the near future.