So......what is the deal w/ the right side posting that if you support Ukraine you stand w/ neo nazis, child traffickers, rigged elections, money laundering, communism.

Has something shifted? Does this mean they stand with Putin?

Im confused.

(02-27-2023, 01:38 AM)MirahM Wrote: So......what is the deal w/ the right side posting that if you support Ukraine you stand w/ neo nazis, child traffickers, rigged elections, money laundering, communism.

Has something shifted?  Does this mean they stand with Putin?

No idea in what context "supporting" Ukraine (a country) means  . . . and if you don't, somehow you are supporting Putin (a man).

As to the "right side posting", are you referring to a political leaning or ideology . . . you know . . . the "right" typically being white, gun toting, college illiterate, racist, abortion hating, science denying, MAGA types.

Me, personally . . . I'm completely against the US funding foreign military solutions, in Ukraine, without any attempt or evidence, of diplomatic resolve.

So . . . now you can decide if that makes me a "fellow traveler", in support of all of the aforementioned labels, posted by the "right", and a Putin supporter. 

Oh, yeah . . . one other common label, if you do not support the US military involvement in Ukraine is, "against democracy".

For the most of people in my social circles, it’s ‘over there’…not that we aren’t feeling the pressures of it…global energy prices ‘read cost if gas for you ‘muricans’ global citizenship and blah blah blah..

To me, another simple IQ test…if you’re for Russia, you’re for Putin, and you’ll happily support a dictatorship. Pretty much end of story

(02-27-2023, 10:57 AM)crash Wrote: For the most of people in my social circles, it’s ‘over there’…not that we aren’t feeling the pressures of it…global energy prices ‘read cost if gas for you ‘muricans’ global citizenship and blah blah blah..

To me, another simple IQ test…if you’re for Russia, you’re for Putin, and you’ll happily support a dictatorship. Pretty much end of story

Your Freudian slip is showing, old bean.

I don’t want to fuck your mother, mine even less, lichspittle

(02-27-2023, 10:57 AM)crash Wrote: To me, another simple IQ test…if you’re for Russia, you’re for Putin, and you’ll happily support a dictatorship. Pretty much end of story

So . . . if China supports Russia then they support Putin.

Ergo . . . all US interests in China support Russia.

Cool!

Haha..you know too well that’s too big of an oyster to lump together. The US chose China to bail them out for finance long before they realised Putin would go on a power trip and haul China along.

I’m pretty sure I’ve made my opinions about the US and Chinese debt known on this forum long before Putin got worried about the Ukraine becoming financially self sufficient

(02-27-2023, 11:29 AM)crash Wrote: I’m pretty sure I’ve made my opinions about the US and Chinese debt known on this forum long before Putin got worried about the Ukraine becoming financially self sufficient

As have I.

(02-27-2023, 11:11 AM)crash Wrote: I don’t want to fuck your mother, mine even less, lichspittle

How is it possible to know yourself when you're oblivious to the fact that your words give you away?

"Simple" is the perfect word to describe the mentality you exhibit: conformity = intelligence. Which isn't to say that nonconformity is necessarily positive, but it's an entirely moot point in the absence of critical thinking.

Ahhhh…you’re a ‘critical thinker’..in your own mind anyway…which hence makes you more intelligent, and hence, more corrrect, than anybody else…including other ‘critical thinkers’, because they’re obviously not thinking as critical as you…

How critical were you thinking that day you stated two billion people would perish due to vaccines in the next 18 months? You seem very critical on avoiding that question,

(02-27-2023, 11:50 AM)crash Wrote: Ahhhh…you’re a ‘critical thinker’..in your own mind anyway…which hence makes you more intelligent, and hence, more corrrect, than anybody else…including other ‘critical thinkers’, because they’re obviously not thinking as critical as you…

How critical were you thinking that day you stated two billion people would perish due to vaccines in the next 18 months? You seem very critical on avoiding that question,

I don't take it for granted that I think critically. It's presence, or lack thereof, is demonstrated by means of a test of reason, is it not?

Still dodging the question…critically

"Democracy" à la Ukraine, because nothing matters more than sovereignty, right?

You post that whenever I have something to say about Ukraine.

I don't mind helping them.

These are the 2 recent memes I saw. I did not include all of the wording in my original post. I was hoping some here had seen these and were familiar with the retoric. Since the meme said if I support Ukraine, I support Biden I must support all those other things as well-that is why I said if this is true, then those that don't support Ukraine must support Putin.

Anyway, my stance is-I stand with both the people of Ukraine and Russia whose lives are affected by this war and who have nothing to do with this war. When I read posts where these memes were posted and people say "Fuck Ukraine" it makes no sense to me. So if I engaged I would be argueing with idiots. So I came here instead.

(02-27-2023, 10:48 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-27-2023, 01:38 AM)MirahM Wrote: So......what is the deal w/ the right side posting that if you support Ukraine you stand w/ neo nazis, child traffickers, rigged elections, money laundering, communism.

Has something shifted?  Does this mean they stand with Putin?

No idea in what context "supporting" Ukraine (a country) means  . . . and if you don't, somehow you are supporting Putin (a man).

As to the "right side posting", are you referring to a political leaning or ideology . . . you know . . . the "right" typically being white, gun toting, college illiterate, racist, abortion hating, science denying, MAGA types.

Me, personally . . . I'm completely against the US funding foreign military solutions, in Ukraine, without any attempt or evidence, of diplomatic resolve.

So . . . now you can decide if that makes me a "fellow traveler", in support of all of the aforementioned labels, posted by the "right", and a Putin supporter. 

Oh, yeah . . . one other common label, if you do not support the US military involvement in Ukraine is, "against democracy".

I hope my above post answers some of your questions. I said "right" instead of "republican" as the person who posted the meme is from Canada. But they generally post stuff that is in line w/ Republican type posting. I have seen other people in th U.S. also post the same sentiment and they usually are not democrat.

(02-27-2023, 11:35 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-27-2023, 11:29 AM)crash Wrote: I’m pretty sure I’ve made my opinions about the US and Chinese debt known on this forum long before Putin got worried about the Ukraine becoming financially self sufficient

As have I.

The old “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” ringing true again…

(02-27-2023, 12:56 PM)MirahM Wrote: I stand with both the people of Ukraine and Russia whose lives are affected by this war and who have nothing to do with this war. 

And that makes you a responsible and compassionate human being without any need or reason to support any geo-political cause or agenda.

It makes you decent.

I do not believe this is the primary objective of the supporters and spenders, in support of a "war" . . . 

You made your point beautifully.  Thanks for that!

(02-27-2023, 12:39 PM)Duchess Wrote: You post that whenever I have something to say about Ukraine.

I don't mind helping them.

Helping who, the arms manufacturers?

(02-27-2023, 12:56 PM)MirahM Wrote: These are the 2 recent memes I saw. I did not include all of the wording in my original post. I was hoping some here had seen these and were familiar with the retoric. Since the meme said if I support Ukraine, I support Biden I must support all those other things as well-that is why I said if this is true, then those that don't support Ukraine must support Putin.

Anyway, my stance is-I stand with both the people of Ukraine and Russia whose lives are affected by this war and who have nothing to do with this war. When I read posts where these memes were posted and people say "Fuck Ukraine" it makes no sense to me. So if I engaged I would be argueing with idiots. So I came here instead.

When you put it like that, I think we might be able to have a decent hike in the Columbia River Gorge.

My only critique is why frame it within the left/right dichotomy? Dichotomies are human constructs that only exist in our minds. Why empower them at the expense of objectivity?