(10-27-2024, 03:50 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 01:09 PM)username Wrote:

(10-27-2024, 12:59 PM)rothschild Wrote: Obama authorized the use of drones against US citizens so what's the big deal?

Obama refrained from (mistakenly perhaps) taking out Mitch McConnell.

Imagine what a hero our prize-winning negro would be if he'd taken out Hilary and blamed it on Trump.

Negro? Are you like 90? My mom still calls Asian peoples “orientals”. 

Hero to whom? Trumplicans? Fuck them. Not to those of us who voted for her and watched her win the popular vote in 2016. 

If ur implying it might have stopped Trump if he was blamed; I doubt it. His MAGA (“lock her up”) base was already oblivious to his to his lack of morality. They probably would have liked it. It’s what a strongman does.

User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Trump held a doozy of a rally last night. Reading about it now. More was said about Palestinians but Rudy seems to have summed up the MAGA position on the genocide of Palestinians (so I don’t want to hear any more bs about that):

“On Sunday, Mr. Giuliani leaned into overbroad stereotyping against the Palestinian people, who he said “are taught to kill us at two years old.”

“I don’t take a risk with people that are taught to kill Americans at 2,” he said. “I’m on the side of Israel.”

(10-28-2024, 09:59 AM)rothschild Wrote: User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

(10-28-2024, 10:16 AM)username Wrote: Trump held a doozy of a rally last night. 

When speaking of RFK Jr. he said, "I'm going to let him go wild on health. I'm going to let him go wild on food. I'm going to let him go wild on the medicines." He's an infamous anti-vaxxer and I'm not referring to the Covid vaccine.

trump aide Stephen Miller--"America is for Americans and Americans only."

(10-28-2024, 10:31 AM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:59 AM)rothschild Wrote: User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

(10-28-2024, 11:25 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 10:31 AM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:59 AM)rothschild Wrote: User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

(10-28-2024, 01:57 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 11:25 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 10:31 AM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:59 AM)rothschild Wrote: User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

That doesn't address allowing aliens to enter before being processed, nor does it explain why Biden waited until recently to sign the EA you referenced.

I'm not assuming that Trump cares about this beyond his ability to leverage it for political gain, so I don't care what he did or didn't do. I'm interested in why Biden made the problem worse.

How close do you live to the border, rothschild? 1000 miles? 2000 miles?

(10-28-2024, 02:33 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 01:57 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 11:25 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 10:31 AM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:59 AM)rothschild Wrote: User, you were talking about this wonderful bipartisan immigration bill that Trump didn't support. How did it's defeat prevent the Biden admin from controlling entry into the US?

Asking for a friend.

Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

That doesn't address allowing aliens to enter before being processed, nor does it explain why Biden waited until recently to sign the EA you referenced.

I'm not assuming that Trump cares about this beyond his ability to leverage it for political gain, so I don't care what he did or didn't do. I'm interested in why Biden made the problem worse.

I’m guessing Biden waited probably for the same reason that Trump squashed the legislation. He wanted a month or two to run on the fact that Trump was fucking up fixing the border problems by halting the bill. ?
As far as people coming in before being processed I think/thought that they’re basically assigned a case number (again the “temporary status I referenced before) so they were a little bit processed, lol. 

Biden should have acted sooner during the huge influx in his first couple years. But Trump shouldn’t have squashed the bill and Biden isn’t the candidate anymore.

(10-28-2024, 03:23 PM)Duchess Wrote: How close do you live to the border, rothschild? 1000 miles? 2000 miles?

What difference does that make?

(10-28-2024, 03:47 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 02:33 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 01:57 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 11:25 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 10:31 AM)username Wrote: Have ur friend google the executive order that Biden finally signed a few months ago vs the bi-partisan legislation that wasn’t passed because of Trump. I haven’t done that yet. Biden’s EA has definitely significantly slowed border crossings but my understanding of the bill that was quashed was that it included funds to increase border patrol, extend the border wall, perhaps provide money and/or more judges to try to clear the backlog of those with temporary status AND cap the number of crossings (and more). So Biden’s EA accomplished something but it wasn’t as comprehensive (I believe). I also believe that bi-partisan legislation is generally a good thing and that the government wasn’t meant to run on the stroke of one person’s pen. It seems like every time a new president takes office, it’s a game of penmanship. Signing new EA’s changing or undoing prior EAs. We have a legislative branch for a reason. They need to do their fucking jobs.

My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

That doesn't address allowing aliens to enter before being processed, nor does it explain why Biden waited until recently to sign the EA you referenced.

I'm not assuming that Trump cares about this beyond his ability to leverage it for political gain, so I don't care what he did or didn't do. I'm interested in why Biden made the problem worse.

I’m guessing Biden waited probably for the same reason that Trump squashed the legislation. He wanted a month or two to run on the fact that Trump was fucking up fixing the border problems by halting the bill. ?
As far as people coming in before being processed I think/thought that they’re basically assigned a case number (again the “temporary status I referenced before) so they were a little bit processed, lol. 

Biden should have acted sooner during the huge influx in his first couple years. But Trump shouldn’t have squashed the bill and Biden isn’t the candidate anymore.

I'm not asking about Trump, I know all about his deficiencies. I'm asking why the Biden admin allowed aliens to enter before being vetted? I understand that when the election rolled around he backtracked, but for most of his term the policy was to allow entry without vetting, making a preexisting problem far worse. Clearly that was a priority for the administration, and don't tell me it's because they're humanitarians.

(10-28-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote: What difference does that make?

It makes me wonder why anyone who lives 1000's? of miles away from something that doesn't affect them would be bothered? I'd be more interested in what those who lived in southern border towns thought about immigration rather than someone like me who doesn't live anywhere near the border. I say all that as someone who was born & raised in a border community and no one ever gave any thought whatsoever to the Canadians coming & going.

(10-28-2024, 04:14 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 03:47 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 02:33 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 01:57 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 11:25 AM)rothschild Wrote: My understanding is that under Biden, aliens have been allowed entry prior to being processed. If that's the case, a new EA is irrelevant. At any point in time Biden could have instructed Mayorkas to aggressively enforce the laws that are already on the books.

Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

That doesn't address allowing aliens to enter before being processed, nor does it explain why Biden waited until recently to sign the EA you referenced.

I'm not assuming that Trump cares about this beyond his ability to leverage it for political gain, so I don't care what he did or didn't do. I'm interested in why Biden made the problem worse.

I’m guessing Biden waited probably for the same reason that Trump squashed the legislation. He wanted a month or two to run on the fact that Trump was fucking up fixing the border problems by halting the bill. ?
As far as people coming in before being processed I think/thought that they’re basically assigned a case number (again the “temporary status I referenced before) so they were a little bit processed, lol. 

Biden should have acted sooner during the huge influx in his first couple years. But Trump shouldn’t have squashed the bill and Biden isn’t the candidate anymore.

I'm not asking about Trump, I know all about his deficiencies. I'm asking why the Biden admin allowed aliens to enter before being vetted? I understand that when the election rolled around he backtracked, but for most of his term the policy was to allow entry without vetting, making a preexisting problem far worse. Clearly that was a priority for the administration, and don't tell me it's because they're humanitarians.

Oh Jeebus. I looked up the “vetting process” that you’re referring to and I don’t see where Biden (who isn’t a candidate for POTUS so this is somewhat irrelevant) stopped the vetting process but it’s clear it wasn’t done thoroughly and there were a lot of “get aways” for a period of time (people that got across the border illegally/without going through CBP). But is that ur concern? That, in fact, as Trump likes to say we’ve been flooded with “murderers, rapists and escapees from insane asylums”? Please show me the data that says that unvetted immigrants are driving up crime rates and/or are more likely to commit crimes than citizens? You can’t because it’s not happening. California has a huge population of immigrants (legal and not) and I’ll tell u, they’re not the ones participating in “smash and grabs” at retail stores or stealing cars in SF. They’re the ones waiting outside Home Depot hoping for some day work, working as gardeners and car washes and restaurants and in agriculture. It’s the white guys sitting on the corner with a dog and a sign that says “need money for food” and committing far more crimes. 

Pfft.

(10-28-2024, 04:22 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote: What difference does that make?

It makes me wonder why anyone who lives 1000's? of miles away from something that doesn't affect them would be bothered? I'd be more interested in what those who lived in southern border towns thought about immigration rather than someone like me who doesn't live anywhere near the border. I say all that as someone who was born & raised in a border community and no one ever gave any thought whatsoever to the Canadians coming & going.

He’s just swallowing the cum he’s being fed. Reality is less important to him than hypothesizing and philosophizing. From afar.

(10-28-2024, 04:22 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote: What difference does that make?

It makes me wonder why anyone who lives 1000's? of miles away from something that doesn't affect them would be bothered? I'd be more interested in what those who lived in southern border towns thought about immigration rather than someone like me who doesn't live anywhere near the border. I say all that as someone who was born & raised in a border community and no one ever gave any thought whatsoever to the Canadians coming & going.

What we're seeing today is nothing like traditional immigration. It's pure chaos and a good chunk of the urban Democratic base are enraged by it because they are once again being shafted by those who claim to care about them. Go to Philly or New York and ask poor blacks how they feel about the influx of aliens who're getting preferential treatment, while the economy is cratering and prospects are getting bleaker and bleaker. All of the social gains of the last 100 years are being rolled back. How many people are getting by on an 8 hour workday? People are desperate and privileged liberals can't understand why people are saying fuck you to the Democratic Party.

(10-28-2024, 07:08 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 04:14 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 03:47 PM)username Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 02:33 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 01:57 PM)username Wrote: Well my understanding is a big part of the problem has been those entering through illegal channels; not crossing or coming in at border control points of entry. I’ve also heard that some people are given some temporary status but the system is so wildly backed up that they can be here for months if not years before they ever even have their case heard. I also understand that border control is hugely understaffed as is the system for processing requests. It’s all fucked up for sure and has been through many administrations with upticks and decreases in the number of crossings over the years. They’re down right now based on Biden’s EA but the system is far from fixed. Just ordering Mayorkas to enforce laws is somewhat meaningless if he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Trump wanted to run on illegal immigration and he is and he prevented a solid piece of legislation from coming up for a vote for his own selfish interests. If u recall, the very conservative Republicans who helped draft that “biggest immigration reform bill in decades” were pissed when Trump squashed it. Until they quickly weren’t and got in line with the campaign. I think it’s bullshit.

That doesn't address allowing aliens to enter before being processed, nor does it explain why Biden waited until recently to sign the EA you referenced.

I'm not assuming that Trump cares about this beyond his ability to leverage it for political gain, so I don't care what he did or didn't do. I'm interested in why Biden made the problem worse.

I’m guessing Biden waited probably for the same reason that Trump squashed the legislation. He wanted a month or two to run on the fact that Trump was fucking up fixing the border problems by halting the bill. ?
As far as people coming in before being processed I think/thought that they’re basically assigned a case number (again the “temporary status I referenced before) so they were a little bit processed, lol. 

Biden should have acted sooner during the huge influx in his first couple years. But Trump shouldn’t have squashed the bill and Biden isn’t the candidate anymore.

I'm not asking about Trump, I know all about his deficiencies. I'm asking why the Biden admin allowed aliens to enter before being vetted? I understand that when the election rolled around he backtracked, but for most of his term the policy was to allow entry without vetting, making a preexisting problem far worse. Clearly that was a priority for the administration, and don't tell me it's because they're humanitarians.

Oh Jeebus. I looked up the “vetting process” that you’re referring to and I don’t see where Biden (who isn’t a candidate for POTUS so this is somewhat irrelevant) stopped the vetting process but it’s clear it wasn’t done thoroughly and there were a lot of “get aways” for a period of time (people that got across the border illegally/without going through CBP). But is that ur concern? That, in fact, as Trump likes to say we’ve been flooded with “murderers, rapists and escapees from insane asylums”? Please show me the data that says that unvetted immigrants are driving up crime rates and/or are more likely to commit crimes than citizens? You can’t because it’s not happening. California has a huge population of immigrants (legal and not) and I’ll tell u, they’re not the ones participating in “smash and grabs” at retail stores or stealing cars in SF. They’re the ones waiting outside Home Depot hoping for some day work, working as gardeners and car washes and restaurants and in agriculture. It’s the white guys sitting on the corner with a dog and a sign that says “need money for food” and committing far more crimes. 

Pfft.

It's poor minorities who are getting screwed over the worst because the influx means greater competition for social services that are inadequate, but all you think about are racist Trumpers.

While we're on the topic of smash and grabs why don't you explain how that is also Trump's fault. Don't be shy.

trump is having another hate rally this evening in PA. He just made a veiled threat against Michele Obama of all people. Jesus Christ. He said to his cult "you know who was nasty to me? Michele Obama. I always try to be so nice & respectful. She opened up a little bit of a box...she was nasty. That was a big mistake."

trump's cult following think he's the biggest alpha male around when the reality is that trump is the whiniest motherfucker in the room. That little bitch is crying about one thing or another on a daily basis.

I hate to say this but I have a terrible feeling that Donny will become POTUS/DICTATOR on 11/5/2024.          (I HOPE I'M WRONG)