Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[curious]

You said 30 minutes or less.... If Johnny would have been talking to his Grandma, that would have given the police 10 minutes or so to go over there & interrupt. That is my point. Forget Tiffany being on the phone for a minute. If Tiffany isn't involved, if Tiffany doesn't know these people & they don't know her.... They, the perps, did not know who he was on the phone with or how much time they had to do all they did PLUS lock the freakin door on the way out. If your commiting a robbery & murder to this extent your ass better be concerned with any possible witnesses or being caught in the act. These people don't seem to have been concerned. With that I'm done with this subject LOL I feel like I'm just repeating the same shit over & over but re-wording it differently. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree

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Again, these are not your run-of-the mill, feening addicts...they are hardened criminals who are bound by a higher heirachy and they had a job to do. They could give a shit less who was on the phone. They knew what they were doing...the more bizarre the method, the stronger the message IMO

[curious]

BIG, BIG, HUGE difference...these people voluntarily put themselves in this position knowing the consequences at hand


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Who voluntarily put themselves in what position? Sorry not following you
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If you're a "pharmaceutical" sales rep you know the bounty over your head going into the business, if your an average Joe and happen upon a crime being committed, you don't take a step back and think...geeze, wonder what could happen if I interveined...make sense?

[curious]

I'm sure TW was going over to buy drugs, and big tine dealers usually keep a close eye on who their "runners" sell too.
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I thought Johnny was asking Tiffany to get him some drugs and that is
why she was 'going to the store.'

Highly, highly unlikely...afterall, she's still alive

[kfran]

I'm not sure this case will ever be solved. I still think this whole thing is a murder mystery theather. Like a previous poster said, I think the players involved in this crime aren't anyone we've mentioned in over 650+ pages of posts. I'd like to know what the SGT meant by "professional" & it's interesting the method of communication he used to get out the message.

In regards to Maytee; she's grieving & she's saying hateful things/making threats to try to scare someone, however I think she's too far gone to realize that she's not scaring anyone w/her rants, rather people are laughing at her.

[Jane]

I thought Johnny was asking Tiffany to get him some drugs and that is
why she was 'going to the store.'

Highly, highly unlikely...afterall, she's still alive

Tiffany says she called Johnny back, & told him she was going to the store, & if they got there before she got back, to come on in the house. I find nothing suspicious about this. Probably running to get cigs or something. I think if Tiffany had needed to go to Lisa's house, she could have simply gone, but I think the plan was for JC to take drugs TO Tiffany. Come on, Tiffany's not going to SAY that, although there IS a possiblility she told LE that. DAMN! I wish the autopsy report would get released to the public!!!!

[ZEROSPHERES]

I told the bartender to call the police & they just stood there looking stupid so when they didn't act I DID & everyone was yelling NO at me LOL The cops came but everyone had already taken off, the cops found 20 shell casings in the parking lot. Those assholes fired off atleast 20 rounds into a group of people!!!! I was banned from the bar by the bouncer for calling the police LOL

Moral of the story, I don't like living amongst animals, gutter trash & murderers. There should be more people who "snitch" then maybe people would start thinking twice about what they do. As it is now there are too many people who live in fear of the thugs & I won't be one. There's a saying that goes something like, "If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing"

Intimidation of witnesses is common. Who wants to have their lives disrupted and thrown into jeopardy just because they saw or heard something? Video surveillance is more reliable for prosecution and is getting employed more and more to stem the rise of crime. Its hard to argue with that evidence. Of course the downside is the loss of something we have taken for granted and that is our "privacy". In todays culture our privacy is under total assult by the likes of facebook and in the future privacy my be a lost concept. In many ways "we mockers" have availed ouselves of just this cultural phenomenon by our repeated explorations onto the internet to do our own data-mining and bring it back to be shared the way a lioness does with her pride. This technology cuts both ways.

[curious]

I thought Johnny was asking Tiffany to get him some drugs and that is
why she was 'going to the store.'

Highly, highly unlikely...afterall, she's still alive

Tiffany says she called Johnny back, & told him she was going to the store, & if they got there before she got back, to come on in the house. I find nothing suspicious about this. Probably running to get cigs or something. I think if Tiffany had needed to go to Lisa's house, she could have simply gone, but I think the plan was for JC to take drugs TO Tiffany. Come on, Tiffany's not going to SAY that, although there IS a possiblility she told LE that. DAMN! I wish the autopsy report would get released to the public!!!!

EXACTLY...think we're on the same page here, albeit a page none of us would choose to be on!

[Methusala]

I never thought about how they "locked up" before they left...gangsta kid wanna-bes wouldn't have thought to do that...

nah...they probably were just trashing the place for the hell of it

Boy am I not buying this. They surely left through the automatic garage door and no one has reported that the door from the garage into the home was re-locked. Where did you or anyone else read that it was re-locked?

Professional criminals IMO would have not deliberately trashed and damaged property not belonging to their intended victims, to-wit: the Straub's house.

[curious]

Tiffany says she called Johnny back, & told him she was going to the store, & if they got there before she got back, to come on in the house. I find nothing suspicious about this. Probably running to get cigs or something. I think if Tiffany had needed to go to Lisa's house, she could have simply gone, but I think the plan was for JC to take drugs TO Tiffany. Come on, Tiffany's not going to SAY that, although there IS a possiblility she told LE that. DAMN! I wish the autopsy report would get released to the public!!!!

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EXACTLY...think we're on the same page here, albeit a page none of us would choose to be on!

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Sorry, that was a stupid reply...delete

[ZEROSPHERES]

Ditto! I have stepped into situations with complete strangers on the streets of Chicago and NYC to do the right thing, my sister even said she doesn't know how I haven't been murdered after seeing me do this a couple of time....but I say how can you not?? That's my question! I don't even think about it, I react, because I was taught to, I come from a long line of survivors that were oppressed, enslaved, starved and murdered in masses and both of my parents were never "bystanders' ever, you learn from example, I guess..

But think about the people who love you and depend on you if you were seriously hurt or killed. I think your sister has a valid point and you may want to temper your "moral enthusiasum". Its of little comfort to those who have sustained this type of loss to receive your commendation posthumously.

please be careful

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[Jane]

EXACTLY...think we're on the same page here, albeit a page none of us would choose to be on!

Yes, we're on the same page. I don't LIKE this scenario, but I have to go with what LE released - "not random", "not a robbery" "professional" "drug related". That's really all we have to go on, now, unless something else is released. If this was a professinal hit, then in my mind, the perps wore gloves.

[toledoarea]

EXACTLY...think we're on the same page here, albeit a page none of us would choose to be on!

Yes, we're on the same page. I don't LIKE this scenario, but I have to go with what LE released - "not random", "not a robbery" "professional" "drug related". That's really all we have to go on, now, unless something else is released. If this was a professinal hit, then in my mind, the perps wore gloves.

It is very difficult to use duct tape with gloves on. Jus sayin

[ZEROSPHERES]

I highly doubt TW, or anyone for that matter would snitch them out

Guaranteed she wouldn't snitch, and her bf AP has a whopping great 'stop snitching' tattoo up his arm to say so.

Yes...A 'stop snitching tattoo' on your arm is like having a "don't do drugs" bumper sticker on your car. How many times have I seen the show "Cops" and they are finding drugs in a car with that bumper sticker on it. Just as likely that when you face arrest and long prison time you may start talking, tatoo be damned.

[shitstorm]

pink was right. It won't be solved.

[browntabby1226]

pink was right. It won't be solved.

Why do you feel that way?

[ZEROSPHERES]

pink was right. It won't be solved.

Afraid you and pink speak the truth, though I hope not.

[Jane]

It is very difficult to use duct tape with gloves on. Jus sayin

It may be difficult, but doesn't mean it can't be done. Rip off a long strip, wrap around the neck, rip off another long strip, etc ... It could be done, & probably not that hard to do with certain types of form fitting gloves.

[Duchess]

I thought the thread was closed. I need my Mock fix!!

This thread will not close. It appears you've experienced a "hiccup" in the software.

[Jane]

pink was right. It won't be solved.

well, after reading all of Pink's posts again, last night, I've almost come to that conclusion. You just never know.

[Duchess]

pink was right. It won't be solved.

You've given up hope. Shame on you!