Cliven Bundy vs. Government land management

[Adub]

Heavy, heavy time. And they call themselves Patriots. I was raised in the LDS church. I am/was indoctrinated. Is so see it all. Ammons statements from jail make me want to puke, literally.

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[HairOfTheDog]

So, now that LE has rounded up the criminal Bundys, the Bureau of Land Management needs to figure out how to round up Cliven Bundy's unmanaged, unvaccinated cows.



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The Bundy herd, last estimated at 1,000, has trampled sensitive soils, devoured native saplings and bedded down against Native American artifacts. One of Bundy's bulls attacked a Nevada wildlife official, while others have run roughshod over a community garden and a golf course, BLM said.

BLM and its allies -- following court orders -- want Bundy's cows gone from the public lands surrounding his Bunkerville, Nev., ranch, and particularly Gold Butte, a 350,000-acre mesa of Joshua trees, cacti and creosote bushes below the snow-dusted Virgin Peak.

But removing Bundy's ornery, battle-tested herd -- estimated by one Nevada official to be worth up to $800,000 -- will be expensive, logistically difficult and potentially dangerous.

"It's like hunting cape buffalo," said Ken Mayer, the former director of Nevada's Department of Wildlife. "They're nasty, they're smart, and they won't hesitate to charge."

Bundy's militant followers may be the bigger hurdle. It's unclear what kind of resistance Bundy or his sons Ammon or Ryan could muster behind bars without access to the ranch or social media, which was a key catalyst in the 2014 standoff. Two others whom the government accuses of helping rally militants to Bunkerville -- Ryan Payne and Pete Santilli -- are also in custody.

Bundy has been grazing his cows without a permit since 1993, and multiple federal judges have ordered they be removed. Since 2012, he has made threats against contractors hired by BLM to round them up.

The next roundup is "not going to be easy," said Rob Mrowka, a biologist at the Center for Biological Diversity who has lobbied for decades for BLM to remove Bundy's cows. "I think the price is going to be a lot more when you add the risk."

Full story: http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060033077

[Duchess]

"It's like hunting cape buffalo," said Ken Mayer, the former director of Nevada's Department of Wildlife. "They're nasty, they're smart, and they won't hesitate to charge."

Shiiiiiit.

I cannot imagine the degree of difficulty that's going to present.

That's the very first time I have ever heard of cattle being referred to as smart.

[HairOfTheDog]

Suck it Cliven...

Nevada rancher and anti-authority figure Cliven Bundy lost a renewed bid Thursday for release from jail ahead of trial on federal conspiracy and assault charges stemming from an armed standoff against government agents two years ago.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Carl Hoffman pointed to the violence alleged in an indictment accusing Bundy of inciting the impasse to stop a roundup of cattle from public land near his ranch in April 2014, and to a history of Bundy ignoring federal court orders.

"You say you'll continue to do 'whatever it takes,'" Hoffman said in a Las Vegas courtroom where some Bundy backers wore brown T-shirts emblazoned with the three-word slogan.

"I do not believe, Mr. Bundy, that you will comply with my court orders any more than you have complied with previous court orders," the judge said.

Bundy and four of his adult sons are among 19 people now facing federal charges that could put them in prison for the standoff for the rest of their lives.

Bundy's defense lawyer, Joel Hansen, said his client simply won't acknowledge that federal law applies. Hansen characterizes the 69-year-old Bundy as a political prisoner being held illegally for challenging authority. Bundy insists he has property rights dating back more than a century, to when his Mormon ancestors settled along the Virgin River, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

Full story: http://news.yahoo.com/rancher-cliven-bun...42192.html

[HairOfTheDog]

The trial is underway for some of the Bundy-led dipshits who perpetrated an armed occupation of a federal sanctuary/refuge, attempted to direct and challenge law enforcement, stole LE vehicles, destroyed Native American grounds and artifacts, and cost tax payers millions of dollars.



Armed militia leader Ammon Bundy (^second left, top row), who's representing himself, and the six others currently on trial are charged with conspiring to prevent federal workers from doing their jobs through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

“I had a mind that we would go to Burns and make a hard stand (in defense of the Hammond family, who he learned about from his dad Cliven Bundy),” Bundy said on a police video shown in court yesterday. He claimed the take over of the sanctuary was not planned when he and his gang first descended on the small Oregonian town and that the plan to occupy the federal grounds was instead conjured after his efforts to prevent LE from re-sentencing the Hammonds for arson failed.

But in court yesterday, Bundy took the stand and his testimony differed. He testified that on Jan. 1 — a day before the occupation began — he did, in fact, have a plan to take over the refuge. Bundy said on Jan. 2 he held a meeting with Brian “Booda” Cavalier, Ryan Payne, Ryan Bundy and others at a restaurant in Burns. Bundy testified that during this meeting he shared with the group his idea of occupying the refuge. After that meeting, Bundy said, the first group of occupiers went out to the refuge.

Bundy is using his extreme religious beliefs in attempt to defend/justify his actions. U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown did not allow Bundy to read from scripture when he asked to, but Bundy was allowed to talk about his beliefs that the Constitution is a divinely inspired document created for the “benefit of mankind.”

Bundy, who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, testified about Mormon doctrine that motivated his actions leading up to the occupation. When shown a picture of the immense stockpile recovered from the refuge, Bundy testified that he and his gang only took the weapons so they couldn't get arrested and to gain respect.

Refs:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-ore...ony-day-2/
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33325...ke-a-stand

[BigMark]

If they volunteer to fight isis i'll buy the plane tickets.

[HairOfTheDog]

If they volunteer to fight isis i'll buy the plane tickets.

I hope they get many years behind bars for being the domestic terrorists they are, but I don't think they deserve the death sentence you prescribe, Biggie.

I think The Bundy nutbags and their band of poser felons would get their asses kicked and heads chopped off real quick outside their own comfort zones.

[BigMark]

That's harsh, I would think they would last a little while.

[HairOfTheDog]

That's harsh, I would think they would last a little while.

Why would you think that?

Watch some of the videos of their armed occupation of the wildlife refuge.

They used social media to solicit all kinds of snacks and chose a facility complete with heaters, internet access, beds, HBO, etc...to occupy in order to take their stand against the government. And, all the while, they whined.

[BigMark]

You would think religious wackos would at least have some fervor.

[Maggot]

They should have just chained themselves to barrels on a bridge during a high traffic timeframe and chanted.

[HairOfTheDog]

Even that's too smart a strategy for your idols, Maggot.

Plus, Jesus and Joseph Smith didn't mention a high traffic bridge when telling welfare ranchers and government loan recipients Cliven and Ammon Bundy that they had the God-given right to steal from taxpayers and the government, destroy other people's property, point guns at LE while making demands of them and intentionally disobeying PO commands, and obstruct the lives of law-abiding citizens for weeks on end.

Currently on trial

Top row: Ammon Bundy, David Lee Fry, Neil Wampler (convicted murderer), Ryan Bundy.
Bottom row: Kenneth Medenbach, Jeff Wayne Banta, Peter Santilli, and Shawna Cox.

Anyway.........I was mistaken about Ammon Bundy representing himself. It's his brother Ryan Bundy who is one of the three genius defendants currently doing so.

The other two serving as their own attorneys are Kenneth Medenbach (he represented himself in the past and lost) and Shawna Cox (the anti-government conspiracy theorist who unsuccessfully tried to sue the federal government for suffering damages resulting from "works of the devil").

[HairOfTheDog]

Of the 26 defendants facing charges for the Oregon standoff, 11 have taken plea deals so far and another seven are scheduled to stand trial Feb. 14, 2017.

The 11 defendants who took plea deals and will receive between six months of home detention and 3 ½ years in prison for the Oregon standoff are: Jon Ritzheimer, Joseph O-Shaughnessy, Ryan Payne, Brian Cavalier, Blaine Cooper, Wesley Kjar, Corey Lequieu, Jason Blomgren, Geoffrey Stanek, Travis Cox, and Eric Lee Flores.

The seven other defendants who will face trial in February 2017 are: Jason Patrick, Duane Leo Ehmer, Dylan Anderson, Sean Anderson, Sandra Lynn Anderson, Darryl William Thorn, Jake Ryan.

Note: the conspiracy charges against Pete Santilli, self-described shock-jock and coordinator for the Oregon stand-off, were dropped. He still faces charges for his role in the Cliven Bundy led stand-off in Nevada in 2014. Cliven Bundy is incarcerated awaiting trial for that incident.

More about the defendants and the charges: http://www.nwcn.com/news/investigations/.../312669924

[Duchess]

They used social media to solicit all kinds of snacks and chose a facility complete with heaters, internet access, beds, HBO, etc...to occupy in order to take their stand against the government. And, all the while, they whined.

Didn't they ask for some weed too or am I thinking of something else.

[HairOfTheDog]

They used social media to solicit all kinds of snacks and chose a facility complete with heaters, internet access, beds, HBO, etc...to occupy in order to take their stand against the government. And, all the while, they whined.

Didn't they ask for some weed too or am I thinking of something else.

Your recollection is correct.

David Lee Fry was the last hold-out at the refuge center. He was afraid of being raped in jail. In the hours leading up to Fry's arrest, thousands of people followed it in real time via internet stream, listening to Fry's bizarre rants and requests for pizza and marijuana. He also said he'd rather die than go to prison. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...uses-gove/

[Duchess]

Whatta dumbass. Afraid to be raped in jail yet breaks the law to the extent he goes to jail. I hope someone wagged their pecker at him and scared the shit outta him.

[HairOfTheDog]

Whatta dumbass. Afraid to be raped in jail yet breaks the law to the extent he goes to jail. I hope someone wagged their pecker at him and scared the shit outta him.

Bunch of morons and moochers and unstable individuals alright.

Ryan Bundy is not doing well in jail; he's a mess and yet he's defending himself. Smart move, Ryan.

The "Divine One" Ammon Bundy fancies himself like MLK Jr (not surprising considering dipshit dad Cliven Bundy likened himself to Rosa Parks after he told the press that negros were better off as slaves).

And, several of their delusional followers are charged not only in the 2016 Ammon Bundy led Oregon standoff case, but also in the 2014 Cliven Bundy led Nevada standoff (where they planned to put women and children on the front lines so if LE shot, LE would be viewed as ruthless killers).

They really believed that they'd successfully broken a bunch of laws while threatening and pointing loaded weapons at LE in Nevada and could do it again in Oregon without consequences. LE waited, so as to avoid a bloodbath and not incite a bunch of other ignorant militia groups across the country, in my opinion. For a while there, I wondered wtf LE was waiting for; now I get it.

Anyway, Blaine Cooper has pleaded guilty to conspiracy in both the Oregon and Nevada criminal incidents.

Gerald "Jerry" DeLemus of Rochester, New Hampshire is charged only in the Nevada case. He recently pleaded guilty to conspiring with others to threaten federal land officers and assaulting an officer. He's a former Marine married to New Hampshire State Assemblyperson Susan DeLemus. Yeah, she's the batshit tea party birther who said that Pope Francis is "the anti-Christ" and should be looked into when the Pope said building walls was not Christian. She's said and done some even crazier shit, but I digress.

Cooper and DeLemus' plea deals call for sentences of six years in federal prison, although their defense attorneys can seek leniency at sentencing Dec. 1. Each also could be fined as much as $500,000 and be subject to as much as three years of government supervision after prison. I hope they do not get any leniency.

Cliven Bundy, Cooper and DeLemus are three of 19 people charged in the 2014 Nevada standoff. I think at least a few more will plead guilty before the trials are scheduled to begin in February 2017. Not Cliven though, I have no doubt he still believes he's entitled by God to do whatever the fuck he wants and he'll want to preach his message in court. I love that he's finally where he belongs and hope he stays there a good long time.

Ref: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northw...mus_p.html

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm really surprised and disappointed by the verdict just reached by the jury in Oregon.

The jury acquitted the Bundy Brothers and five others, several of whom represented themselves, of conspiring to prevent federal employees from doing their jobs through intimidation, threat or force during the 41-day armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Man, I think this verdict sets a dangerous precedent. There was no argument that the occupiers took over the federal land because they wanted it turned over to themselves and others based on their religiously-driven belief that the Constitution entitled them to it. What was at issue was whether the occupation constituted a federal conspiracy and firearms violation. I sincerely hope this verdict doesn't encourage more militia groups and religious zealots to stage armed takeovers of other federal lands and buildings.

Anyway, several of the defendants are also charged along with Cliven Bundy in the Nevada armed stand-off, the trial for which is scheduled to take place in January. So, they're still being held over pending that trial (which I sure as hell hope has a different outcome).

Ammon Bundy's attorney was pissed that his client wasn't going to be leaving jail a free man today and reportedly had to be restrained by federal officers. I don't know if he was playing for the crowd or what, but he apparently kept screaming, "what are you doing?" as the officers asked him to stop resisting.

Developing story: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standof...annou.html

[Duchess]

Your armed takeover of Federal property is nationally televised and you get acquitted.

[HairOfTheDog]

Your armed takeover of Federal property is nationally televised and you get acquitted.

It's really hard to understand how the jury acquitted when there's evidence of the defendants occupying and destroying federal property -- at a cost of $6 million in damages -- on video, in their own words, etc...

What isn't on video, however, is the defendants acknowledging that their actions were illegal. They obviously collaborated to occupy the reserve, but I'm guessing the jury believed their claims that they were simply exercising their first and second amendment rights in protesting what they believed was the illegal Hammonds' imprisonment and the unconstitutional Bureau of Land Mgt policies.

Conspiracy requires illegal intent and the Bundys don't believe all laws apply to them. So, as messed up as it is, the Bundy gang's failure to accept laws of the land may be what permitted them to break the laws of the land in grand fashion and not be held legally accountable in the eyes of a sympathetic jury.

If that was the jury reasoning in this case, it's concerning that "I don't acknowledge the laws or the orders of law enforcement/sheriffs, so I'm not bound to follow them" amounted to a successful defense. Defense attorneys across the country are weighing in and unanimously surprised by this verdict -- lots of talk about jury nullification.

I've also seen some speculation about LE infiltrating the occupation with undercover agents/informants who egged on the assholes (which turned off the jury). But, I don't know if that's based in fact. There was definitely a jury instruction pertaining to the use of undercover informants though.

Anyway, there's a press conference scheduled by the prosecutors at 9 a.m today. I'm interested to hear what they feel went wrong here. Wrong charges, jury nullification, poor prosecutor performance? I'd love to hear directly from jurors as well.