Slowly but surely, the rights of people are being chipped away

[QueenBee]

If the earth opened up and simultaneously swallowed up every biker scumbag on the planet the world would be a better place.

Period.

Listen, I am not a biker, and it has been years since I have actively been friends with bikers, but to generalize all bikers as scumbags is the type of thing you would expect from a person who will stereotype a person or group based on the actions of a few.

Not all bikers are scumbags, and not all scumbags are bikers. Unfortunatly, the few scumbag bikers who are out there have given a bad name to the majority who are not.

[Cynical Ninja]

If the earth opened up and simultaneously swallowed up every biker scumbag on the planet the world would be a better place.

Period.

Listen, I am not a biker, and it has been years since I have actively been friends with bikers, but to generalize all bikers as scumbags is the type of thing you would expect from a person who will stereotype a person or group based on the actions of a few.

Not all bikers are scumbags, and not all scumbags are bikers. Unfortunatly, the few scumbag bikers who are out there have given a bad name to the majority who are not.

You opinion above, in your big assed retarded font size, means nothing to me.

Other people here regularly condemn whole sections of society who don't deserve it, well I am condemning all bikers because they do deserve it.

The shit film Wild Hogs is not representative of what most bikers are, Mad Max 2 is a more accurate appraisal.

[Duchess]

Is my stalker back? Who the fuck keeps voting for this shit?

I wouldn't read too much into getting votes, some people would vote for a pile of dogshit if they liked the dog.

[Liquid]

Legal first: no warrant needed to raid Sydney Hells Angels

Police will no longer need a warrant to raid the Sydney headquarters of the Hell's Angels [color="yellow"]outlaw bikie gang[/color], in a legal first for NSW.

....The offences ranged from [color="yellow"]assault and affray to participation in a criminal group[/color].

let's be honest here, if you are doing something illegal, it does not make a difference if you are a biker or not. You should have to follow the laws of the land and face the consequences if you break them. But if you are knowingly associating with a group of people who are breaking the law, then yes you will be under suspicion. This is no different then the classic "Italian mobs" or other gang related groups.

If they were not breaking the law in some manner, then this would not be an issue. But the FACT remains that SOME of them ARE breaking the law and that has to be dealt.

Sin, this has nothing to do with your "ol man" or anyone. It has to do with breaking the law.

[Sinister]

Sin, this has nothing to do with your "ol man" or anyone. It has to do with breaking the law.

At what point did I say it had anything to do with my ol' man? This is in fucking Australia, for fuck's sake.

[Liquid]

Sin, this has nothing to do with your "ol man" or anyone. It has to do with breaking the law.

At what point did I say it had anything to do with my ol' man? This is in fucking Australia, for fuck's sake.

In post #3 of this thread you brought your "ol' man" into the discussion to justify the positive things that some PEOPLE do. that is the problem with this entire discussion. The people in question in your original post (post 1 in this thread) ARE breaking the law, so those people should be prosecuted under the law. So their rights are not being taken away.

[Sinister]

The people in question in your original post (post 1 in this thread) ARE breaking the law, so those people should be prosecuted under the law. So their rights are not being taken away.

How do you know they are breaking the law? Were you there? Did you read police reports? Did one of the members confess some crime to you?

[Liquid]

well of course not Sin, but you could say that about anything. we can only go by what the story says and it does say that there had been "He said that since May 2007, police had arrested 877 people and laid 1,961 charges...The offences ranged from assault and affray to participation in a criminal group"

so going by that there is law being broken

[Liquid]

if you can make the blanket statement that "rights are being chipped away" in the title of this thread, I have just as much right to say that laws are being broken and people need to face the consequences of breaking laws.

[Sinister]

well of course not Sin, but you could say that about anything. we can only go by what the story says and it does say that there had been "He said that since May 2007, police had arrested 877 people and laid 1,961 charges...The offences ranged from assault and affray to participation in a criminal group"

so going by that there is law being broken

And you'll also notice that they don't say how many charges stuck.

Look up Operation Black Biscuit. 56 arrests made, 2 years and over a million dollars spent for the Feds to walk away with 5 pleas to minor drug posession charges. I thought you were smarter than to take what you read in the newspapers at face value or even fully accurate.

[Liquid]

and I thought you were smarter then to defend criminals, which you seem to do regularly. I don't care if it is a biker group (which obviously you are partial to) or an organized group of women playing the card game Bridge - if they are breaking the law then they have to expect the authorities (whoever they are in different countries) are going to be interested and look into it and probably make some arrests.

this is about criminals. that is it.

[Sinister]

and I thought you were smarter then to defend criminals, which you seem to do regularly. I don't care if it is a biker group (which obviously you are partial to) or an organized group of women playing the card game Bridge - if they are breaking the law then they have to expect the authorities (whoever they are in different countries) are going to be interested and look into it and probably make some arrests.

this is about criminals. that is it.

What I defend is the right to due process. When one biker breaks the law, the entire group is labeled as criminals. Guilt by association is pretty fucking archaic. Not every single member of every single MC out there is a criminal, yet that is the idea the media is trying to force-feed you.

What about the criminal activity among LEO? There is more of that than there is criminal activity in ALL MC's. What about criminal activity among politicians? Judges? You don't hear about those as much because they have ways to skirt the system andbury their criminal actions.

[LuMPyPussy]

Is my stalker back? Who the fuck keeps voting for this shit?

I wouldn't read too much into getting votes, some people would vote for a pile of dogshit if they liked the dog.

I happen to agree with you, but I thought it'd be funny to vote for your post. ::laugh::

[Liquid]

people in groups participating in illegal activities have ALWAYS been labeled as criminals from the begining of time. The problem is that the people not doing anything wrong ARE associating with people who are. They make the choice to do that so they also have to deal with the consequences. Of course I agree with due process, but I know MANY MANY people who ride bikes DAILY. My neighbors across the street are full time bikers (real bikers, not yuppy bike owners). They ride their bikes to work year round, every night go riding hundreds of miles, and take bike trips every weekend with their groups of friends. We have talked about this at length. They choose to not associate with the groups (notice I said groups and not gangs) that might be subject to speculation about illegal activity because they DO NOT want to be associated with that type of person OR be accused of participating in the same activities. See that is always the point in these discussions. It is all about choice. If you CHOOSE to hang out with criminals then right or wrong you need to expect to be under suspicion for being one yourself

[Cynical Ninja]

Guilt by assocation may not be 100% fair, but if you choose to spend time with people who operate outside the law then you shouldn't be surprised at any suspicion being aimed at you by the law.
Family members you can't choose, but friends and associates you can.

[Sinister]

If you CHOOSE to hang out with criminals then right or wrong you need to expect to be under suspicion for being one yourself

What part of "they are NOT ALL CRIMINALS" escapes your puny alleged brain?

[Liquid]

I understand that they are not all criminals, but in some case many are. In those cases every person has the choice to associate with them or not. If you choose to do so, then unfortunately you face the same scrutiny.

[Jurassic]

At the end of the day the "So Called Criminal Element" can and are better and more faithful friends than so called real friends, how many of you have had so called friends that would drop you in an instant for whatever reason.

Before anybody seems to think I mix with so called criminal elements, I don`t, but have done so in my past.

[LuMPyPussy]

These kind of threads always crack me up. These generalizations are ultimately meaningless, you can't make broad sweeping statements about a certain group of people... these are individuals we're talking about, they're obviously not all going to think, act and talk the same.

[Middle Finger]

you can't make broad sweeping statements about a certain group of people...

Sure you can - there are lots of cases when a group has something in common with each other enough, or often enough, to constitute an identifiable tendency or valid generalization.