Howard_hopkinso Wrote:It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to work out that the more guns people have access to, the more likely it is that their going to shoot each other.
Oh goody; another uninformed ignorant gun grabber.
How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? Guns are now being given credit fortelepathic powers?
When will the narrow-minded fucks in the UK accept that this is about 2 different cultures having no grasp whatsoever of what it's like in the other country?
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How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? It makes them change what they think because its an easy split second option when you have an argument with someone that goes to far.
Killing someone with a gun, a split second of anger, a lifetime of regret.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:Sinister Wrote:How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? It makes them change what they think because its an easy split second option when you have an argument with someone that goes to far.
Killing someone with a gun, a split second of anger, a lifetime of regret. Further proof that you are jumping to conclusions about every gun-owner in the world and that you know nothing of responsible gun ownership. Even though some of us have tried to teach you, you remain hiding in your ignorant bliss.
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Ordinary Peephole Wrote:Sinister Wrote:Quote:
How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? It makes them change what they think because its an easy split second option when you have an argument with someone that goes to far.
Killing someone with a gun, a split second of anger, a lifetime of regret.
Stabbing has been known to work like that also.
Just thought I would help update your..........out of date data base.
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Jesus, why I am I not surprised by this Pussy Alliance. Howard, I'd like to know where you got your "10,369" statistic from, but more importantly, what percentage of your statistic are cops killing people, drug and gang members killing each other? You see, when you look at the real applicable numbers that would apply to almost all of the 80 million+ responsible firearm owners in the U.S., you find that we are the most responsible law-abiding citizens out there. We don't care about how a drug dealer is more likely to be shot than stabbed, we know that the bad guys will get and have the guns regardless. All we care about is how does responsible firearm ownership stack the odds, both short and long-term for our safety and freedom. I understand that you pussies over there with a Queen instituted a gun ban, but it was unsuccessful because the bad guys still have guns. In fact, your violent crime rate when up after that ban, no surprise there as the bad guys get emboldened. In addition, the accidents that happen with firearms are not as bad, on a percentage basis, as the accidental deaths caused by other things you may be surprised to see surpass gunshots.
You want to make my neighborhood safer? Make sure all the responsible citizens own a firearm, vote, and cover their pools and keep their dogs leashed. The rest is PC bullshit.
 
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Ordinary Peephole Wrote:Sinister Wrote:Quote:
How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? It makes them change what they think because its an easy split second option when you have an argument with someone that goes to far.
Killing someone with a gun, a split second of anger, a lifetime of regret. There is always a chance something bad could happen - that is the cost of freedom. A woman who works at night alone and has to go to her car and home alone in the middle of the night is far safer if she carries a firearm, as many do. Many rapes and assaults are spared because a woman fired a warning shot, or had a gun. You plan on visiting them in the hospital or at the wake when their legal guns are removed?
Take away firearms, only the bad guys will have them. You will have a mountain of more rape, assault, and murder victims on your hands since we know firearms are used daily to prevent and thwart all sorts of violent crime.
But you English fags never want to put weight on those, do you? You say you are for protecting life but then totally and shamelessly discount the amount of rapes, maiming, and deaths that would go up if only the bad guys had personal arms. Do you count the loads of violent crimes that are thwarted each year due to a citizen using a firearm legally? Do you care, or are you just so fucking full of PC ignorant bullshit that you refuse to seriously look at those numbers?
We all know the answer to that one, don't we.
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Once again, England would like the States disarmed. That approach really worked out for your world power plans, didn't it.
Middle Finger Wrote:Ordinary Peephole Wrote:Sinister Wrote:How does the presence of a gun make people change what they think? It makes them change what they think because its an easy split second option when you have an argument with someone that goes to far.
Killing someone with a gun, a split second of anger, a lifetime of regret. There is always a chance something bad could happen - that is the cost of freedom. A woman who works at night alone and has to go to her car and home alone in the middle of the night is far safer if she carries a firearm, as many do. Many rapes and assaults are spared because a woman fired a warning shot, or had a gun. You plan on visiting them in the hospital or at the wake when their legal guns are removed?
Take away firearms, only the bad guys will have them. You will have a mountain of more rape, assault, and murder victims on your hands since we know firearms are used daily to prevent and thwart all sorts of violent crime.
But you English fags never want to put weight on those, do you? You say you are for protecting life but then totally and shamelessly discount the amount of rapes, maiming, and deaths that would go up if only the bad guys had personal arms. Do you count the loads of violent crimes that are thwarted each year due to a citizen using a firearm legally? Do you care, or are you just so fucking full of PC ignorant bullshit that you refuse to seriously look at those numbers?
We all know the answer to that one, don't we.
Now what the fuck are you thinking, MF, using logic and common sense, and the unwilligness to let women be unprotected as fair?
Just remember; when seconds count, the police can be there in minutes.
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I just knew the kind of pathetic responses there were going to be to what I posted.
Ok, you dumb bastards, why can't you see the direct correlation between firearm accessibility and shootings?
Are you really that stupid that you're totally blinkered, even when presented with the facts?
Again, OP has got it spot on.
I have had this conversation with many many Americans over the years and always I get the same kind of response from some of the less intelligent of them.
I think Michael Moore's documentary Bowling for Columbine highlights both the tragedy and the stupidity of how a lot of Americans view firearms.
It may have escaped your notice, but the days of the wild west are well and truly fucking over.
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:I just knew the kind of pathetic responses there were going to be to what I posted.
Ok, you dumb bastards, why can't you see the direct correlation between firearm accessibility and shootings?
Are you really that stupid that you're totally blinkered, even when presented with the facts?
Again, OP has got it spot on.
I have had this conversation with many many Americans over the years and always I get the same kind of response from some of the less intelligent of them.
I think Michael Moore's documentary Bowling for Columbine highlights both the tragedy and the stupidity of how a lot of Americans view firearms.
It may have escaped your notice, but the days of the wild west are well and truly fucking over. The principles of freedom are universal and timeless. Either the People are in charge of their own freedom and safety, and have the tools, or they don't. Freedom never liked the disarmed, backseat to politicians position.
Don't say you are pro-freedom if you are not for the People having the balance of power and the means to to fulfill their responsibility of protecting their own safety and freedom.
Talk is cheap, and I'm listening to a couple of big English coupons right now.
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Oh for fucks sake, what a load of twaddle comes out of that stupid gob of yours.
Freedom to kill each other so easily isn't freedom you fucking ball bag, it's stupidity of the highest order.
No matter what you say, think or otherwise, the facts are inescapable. More guns=more shootings=more death and destruction.
How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand that?
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Oh for fucks sake, what a load of twaddle comes out of that stupid gob of yours.
Freedom to kill each other so easily isn't freedom you fucking ball bag, it's stupidity of the highest order.
No matter what you say, think or otherwise, the facts are inescapable. More guns=more shootings=more death and destruction.
How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand that?
Is hop-a-long reading OP's comics now?
Huh?
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Oh for fucks sake, what a load of twaddle comes out of that stupid gob of yours.
Freedom to kill each other so easily isn't freedom you fucking ball bag, it's stupidity of the highest order.
No matter what you say, think or otherwise, the facts are inescapable. More guns=more shootings=more death and destruction.
How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand that? Gay British Ass-Kicked-Twice-By-Armed-Colonists And Now Overrun By Muslims And PC Liberal Assholes Translation:
I have no concept of how personal firearms are liberty's teeth because my Nation was not born out of a revolution against things that put the People second in power and responsibility. That is why I still have a Queen, an unsuccessful gun ban, refuse to care about the rapes, assaults, and murders that would happen as a result of only the bad guys having guns, and generally make a case for relying on the police for everything - despite how they almost always never get there in time to save the life or rape. My Country tried to disarm and control the States but an armed People prevented us so now we have to pretend to like defenseless, helpless sheep. Where's my cell phone? I might need it to protect my freedom and safety. I found it, never mind. All hail the Queen!
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Oh don't give me that fucking shite.
I could say the same about the USA and Vietnam, where you got your arses kicked by a bunch of fucking farmers.
This is not about war you daft cunt, but rather about the daily tragedies that occur daily in your country, due to the availability of firearms.
I can see that you're not going to see sense as your tiny brain is unable to grasp the concept at all.
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It's you that can't grasp the concept of freedom has a cost and if the People are responsible for their own safety and freedom, having the tools is a key part of the long-term principles of freedom - something you obviously are ignorant about.
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So you're seriously telling me that all the school shootings, deaths and destruction are an acceptable cost of the freedom to bear arms?
I had you figured for an intelligent man. Clearly I was badly mistaken.
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:So you're seriously telling me that all the school shootings, deaths and destruction are an acceptable cost of the freedom to bear arms?
I had you figured for an intelligent man. Clearly I was badly mistaken. I am telling you that firearms are not the cause of those problems, and banning the legal ownership of firearms is a very dumb thing to do as far as the long-term principles of freedom are concerned.
If you knew what the Founding Fathers warned about and had an appreciation of the role of firearms in regard to liberty, you would understand that your position is the classic textbook position of ignorance as you put transient causes and emotional remedies before the principles of freedom.
You don't take away a basic right and a key part of freedom because some people abuse things. We wouldn't have any rights left if people could just point to abuses and misuses as a reason to get rid of them. That is not what vigilantly guarding freedom and keeping the balance of power with the People is all about.
You really don't understand ... once you let a centralized power take your income, your personal arms, and go to fiat money ... you are begging to say goodbye to freedom ...
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Quote:I am telling you that firearms are not the cause of those problems
So what are folks using to shoot each other with, their fucking dicks?
If I was mad at someone, I might punch them on the nose, but if I had a gun in my pocket, I'd be far more likely to shoot the fuckers.
Which bit of that is beyond your reasoning?
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Well I am from Texas and I can tell you...
I have never shoy anyone, with my dick, I didn't know for at least one drink........ and usually many drinks.
That clear anything up for ya hopp?::nuts::
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Quote:I am telling you that firearms are not the cause of those problems
So what are folks using to shoot each other with, their fucking dicks?
If I was mad at someone, I might punch them on the nose, but if I had a gun in my pocket, I'd be far more likely to shoot the fuckers.
Which bit of that is beyond your reasoning? Firearms are a tool, a weapon, not the cause of murder. You don't blame swords when a whole house or town is wiped out in medieval times. You don't blame the object. That puts a band-aid on the situation at best, Howard. In fact, it's damaging because it shifts the spotlight off the real problem. While you are busy blaming guns, the real problems are being hidden and the solutions kept farther away. It's like blaming money for theft. It's ignorant. The cause for bad, dysfunctional, murderous behavior, especially by kids, is a problem not rooted in inanimate objects, but culture, upbringing, biochemistry, and the like.
Several decades ago guns were far more readily available - by mail order even. Far fewer laws on the books, and guns were easy to get. Now we have these school shootings. The guns didn't change, Howard. People did. You should be smart enough to know to look somewhere other than the object for reasons and solutions. Removing firearms won't solve those problems. People will still get guns - the bad guys don't care about the laws. Do you remember Prohibition? All it did was create a black market for alcohol and skyrocket violent crime. Blaming the object was wrong then, too.
Again, freedom has a cost. It cost something to have the People in charge and able to form a militia. It costs something for the People to be in charge and able to protect their own property, lives, and freedom. We aren't supposed to leave that in the hands of political whores and a centralized Government, Howard. That is what history teaches us about long-term freedom. That is why when the Founders of America laid out their revolutionary and radical experiment, and put freedom's principles first while things like royalty and organized religion took a back seat, they were obvious in their support for firearms being a key part of that recipe. History does not favor the disarmed and helpless citizenry. The Right to Revolt in State Constitutions is not meant for people armed with just pitchforks and karate, Howard.
Our Country is Founded on the notion that the People are to be in charge, and have the balance of Power. To assure, enable, and protect that, certain principles must always be adhered to, regardless of the transient cause or time. The Founders warned about that. You Brits should never have given up your right to effective self-defense. You gave up a giant part of your power over to politicians that work to slowly take away your individual freedoms when you did that. History teaches us that, Howard.
Government wants to get too big and bloated, they want to protect and absorb you. They want you helpless and defenseless and dependent. The Founders warned about that. Take a lesson from America.
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