Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[efyou]

Very good article a few posts back.

[shitstorm]

Lucas County itself is rife with nepotism, favoritism, and the good ol boys club. It is a very, very tight legal and political community. Our County Prosecutor, Julia Bates, is actually the wife of a sitting Common Pleas Judge! And they are not the only husband/wife conflict of interest!

It is hard for me to remember when the last time the Lucas County Sheriffs Dept even investigated a murder, much less a double murder, and the Lead Investigator..Cathy Stooksbury...I have SERIOUS doubt that she could find her way out of a goddamn paper bag. Oh wait, I do remember one murder the sheriffs department investigated, and Cathy Stooksbury was the detective investigating...it was where an inmate of the jail was alledgedly killed by Lucas County deputies and the Sheriff (James Telb) was accused of covering it up!

Detective Stooksbury and her partner interviewed the whistleblower in the situation (an ex employee that spilled the beans after she was fired and witnessed the attack) and Stooksbury deduced that there was no foul play involved and that the inmate did not die from a beating as the whistleblower suggested.
An autopsy by Deputy Lucas County Coroner Dr. Cynthia Beisser found no evidence of trauma, foul play, or abuse.


BUT, once the Justice Department is called in, they find that the inmate died from the beating AND strangulation!! Hmmmm...wonder how Stooksbury missed that? Wonder how the goddamn coroner missed that??

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...google.com

There was also a case that Stooksbury was the detective regarding a child rape and doggedly went after an innocent man, who went to PRISON. Thankfully, tho it took some time, his conviction was overturned and he was set free...(I'm trying to find a link for that, but I can't remember the guys name!)
IMO, she has very little experience, IMO she covered up the murder in the jail, IMO she was so focused on ONE man in the child rape case that she failed to successfully catch the REAL perp....and I find it telling(reading the lengthy Blade article just posted) that not one "expert" the Blade talked to AGREED with her assessment that it was a robbery gone bad. Those experts stated they went there to kill them, it was PERSONAL, they wanted to see them suffer, etc. and Stooksbury was not even asked her opinion regarding the case for this article.

IMO, there is absolutely no reason for Stooksbury to not have had at least ONE presser. Even one, to assure the public that LE doesn't feel there is a band of murderous home invaders roaming around town and for the public to hide your kids..hide your wife...I mean, c'mon...what's the purpose of NOT having a presser like that?

As I said, totally my opinion regarding the detective, and I am really hoping she doesn't f*** this up.

And BTW...people have posted messages left on boards regarding lisa being beat up by the ex, coming into work beat up.....IF that happened, WTH? Where's the charges arising from that? I believe in LC, the victim DOES NOT need to press charges, if LE has been called..THEY can press the charges if they feel she was assaulted, they don't need the victim too.....wouldn't her parents at least have called police?? I know I would if my kid came home beat up.

Maytee's rantings on the Justice Page are getting WAY out of control. I would construe some of her postings to be threats...somebody needs to tell her to knock that off...implying that young children may be hurt?? She is a whack job and bordering (if not already) dangerous IMO

Very troubling information on the sheriff's dept and the rest of the "justice" establishment in that venue. Pretty damn typical, too. I hope these people don't blow it. The RIGHT killers need to be caught and they need to be caught soon. Whoever did this is/are going to kill someone again and, most likely, have killed before.

It's just pathetic that people who covered up MURDER in the jail are responsible for investigating murder. Also, the going after the wrong man in that other case - I HATE these stories and there are hundreds of them. Ever see The Thin Blue Line? I highly recommend it and it's not, at all, unusual.

There are so many sleazy people around this case that it would be easy for the cops and prosecutors to nail the wrong one/s and the public would be perfectly content that somebody/anybody fried.

BTW, am I the only one sick of "niggaz", "hos", "bytches", ghetto lingo and the practically illiterate ramblings of these people? Damn, it makes my head hurt.

[shitstorm]

Found this kind of interesting....from the movie "Lucky Number Slevin"

Slevin kills both of them the same way they killed his father; a plastic bag, gaffa taped over their heads. Slevin also kills Detective Brikowski (Stanley Tucci) as he was the one who shot his mother, because (it's implied) he owed money to the Rabbi.

www.themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/luckyslevin.html

Contrary to what the Toledo police historian from the Blade article said, the BTK killer killed some people with plastic bags over the head.

[shitstorm]

Maytee's into witchcraft. I think that sheds some light on her always talking about demons eating Tiffany and Co. She's probably casting spells and whatnot on them.

[EastCoastKat]

Glenn Owen, a former police officer and Army investigator from Texas who develops criminal profiles, said it appears a "disorganized" killer attacked
"There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," said Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective who teaches criminal investigation. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."


JC's father said that, that they brought the bags and tape with them.

"He cited the chaotic crime scene where the victims' bodies were left in plain sight, and the weapons — the plastic bags and duct tape — were left behind as well. He suggested the killers are young — 18 to 30 years old — and likely are high school dropouts from broken homes. They may live with an older relative, and if they work, they have nonskilled jobs at a fast-food restaurant or gas station."

This sounds very, very much like the person that "unknown" was talking about, our Mr. Z, withdrawing and looking for drugs and money! I think Mr. Z knew there were drugs there and may have asked JC to front him some drugs or even some cash, and JC said no, and then it became real personal and Mr.Z decided not to play nice anymore and got a couple of friends together and went to rob them. I think Mr.Z told Ms.T exactly what he was going to do because he was probably really pissed off that JC wouldn't front him anything. Rumor has it Ms.T had a fling with underage Mr.Z, and if fact he could be the baby's daddy and not AG!

[Lady Cop]

Kat: Rumor has it Ms.T had a fling with underage Mr.Z, and if fact he could be the baby's daddy and not AG!


if he is, and a paternity test is done, she could be charged with statutory rape.

as for the illiterate posturing going on...i only hope they keep it up! it gives us insight, for example, now we know LE has questioned tiffany and others in her circle.

btw, now i can read at justice for Johnny. when briefly i couldn't. odd.

maytee better hope nobody takes the law into their own hands and forms a lynch mob, or she could face charges of incitement. everyone understands she is beside herself with grief and rage, but there is a time to STFU and keep one's own counsel.

as for the Blade analysis...i said all that stuff way back at the outset. but the self-proclaimed "genius" pinky scoffed at my opinion.

[IMaDick]

Kat: Rumor has it Ms.T had a fling with underage Mr.Z, and if fact he could be the baby's daddy and not AG!


if he is, and a paternity test is done, she could be charged with statutory rape.

as for the illiterate posturing going on...i only hope they keep it up! it gives us insight, for example, now we know LE has questioned tiffany and others in her circle.

btw, now i can read at justice for Johnny. when briefly i couldn't. odd.

maytee better hope nobody takes the law into their own hands and forms a lynch mob, or she could face charges of incitement. everyone understands she is beside herself with grief and rage, but there is a time to STFU and keep one's own counsel.

as for the Blade analysis...i said all that stuff way back at the outset. but the self-proclaimed "genius" pinky scoffed at my opinion.

It would appear that you and I LC agreed with the profiler. or as the time line would have it, the profiler agreed with us.

There is no need to rush to an arrest as some would think should happen, they know the player/s are not going anywhere and if they do they color themselves bright orange for LE.

[EastCoastKat]

Kat: Rumor has it Ms.T had a fling with underage Mr.Z, and if fact he could be the baby's daddy and not AG!


if he is, and a paternity test is done, she could be charged with statutory rape.

as for the illiterate posturing going on...i only hope they keep it up! it gives us insight, for example, now we know LE has questioned tiffany and others in her circle.

btw, now i can read at justice for Johnny. when briefly i couldn't. odd.

maytee better hope nobody takes the law into their own hands and forms a lynch mob, or she could face charges of incitement. everyone understands she is beside herself with grief and rage, but there is a time to STFU and keep one's own counsel.

as for the Blade analysis...i said all that stuff way back at the outset. but the self-proclaimed "genius" pinky scoffed at my opinion.

I agree she could be charged with inciting, and I don't know why that one woman on FB wouldn't want them emailing her, I think AG was emailing her defending Ms.T and she told them to stop, I say let them talk!! Let them email all day if they want!

[DCTim]

I've been wondering why Tiffany & A.G. haven't put their profiles on private for a couple days now. They know that people are looking at their pages & they know that people suspect atleast Tiffanys involvement. I've come to the conclusion, although it would be smart of them to hide their profiles, they never will because they enjoy & thrive on the attention. I can hear them now "D3y jus hayt3n on us" "D3ys all juz j3aloz cuz d3y caint b3 lyk3 us" (Dear Lord I've been looking at too many of these profiles, I think I've mastered the language LOL) A.G. posted a song on his profile a couple of hours ago, a song called Rumors by one Mr "Woka Flocka" lol

"Rumors"

[Chorus:]
They wanna see me dead puttin prices on my head
Spreadin rumors round town like I fell down
They cant hold me down they cant stop my shine
They cant block my grind shawty its game time
Pyru for life breads off the elms nigga ian big on lick
Cause ian been to the mother land here I stand grown ass
Man gun in my hand ion fear no man FLOCKA!!!

[Verse 1]
These niggas fuckin trippin second guess am I livin
Better tell em I'm gone kill em twenty bags and tell em
Come get em make ya boy scared to say nun him
I thank that I scared him I swear to god
Dont fear them these niggas straight trippin
Thinkin that I'm slippin pull it out
Then I'm rippin my whole click
Itchin lookin for the fuckin victum
Free my partner isum tunnel fuckin vision
I swear to god on jesus christ I dnt fuckin hear em

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
These niggas say they kilt me and kidnapped my daughter
Ion even got no daughter they mad cause imma baller
And they hoes a caller you know that imma stall her
Then dick her and ball her then never ever call her
Grind hard like my mother I'm the problem solver AR
Or revolver you hard then I am harder stop actin like a killer
You pussy ass nigga you aint wanna murder
Thats why I'm still alive nigga BRICKSQUAD!!!

sounds like his is taunting someone to me.

He posted this right around the same time that the female on the justice page was sharing the messages that he sent her. Instead of making their pages private to give people less to talk about, he instead chooses to post YES taunting video/songs. As for their pages maybe being locked... I don't know, not sure how that would work BUT they always have the option of not posting anything. For that matter, if they can post things they could also go & delete everything they've ever posted but they haven't.

It's as if they don't care who reads, or maybe they're just too ignorant to think about privacy ? I would think if a person was involved with this murder, or even knows what happened, they'd stay away from posting too much...stuff (Tiffany & her boyfriend) Although, I guess none of it's really incriminating. I'm going out on a limb & say neither one of them has anything to do, with what happened to John & Lisa. I might be wrong, but somehow I don't 'feel' it.

I tend to agree with Jane - I also don't think TW had anything to do with this, despite popular opinion that she did, and despite the fact that she seems to have made osme bad choices in my life. I'm guilty of that too.

[Freshbait78]

AG just posted this, 3 minutes ago, on Facebook

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me? all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....very sad but we do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that...... whatever u call a person that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

Just as I suspected the very 1^st comment under his status is :
You'll have ur HaTeRz!! Their jus jealous lol Screw em



What I want to know is what's to be jealous of? His criminal background? Skanky girlfriend? Fuzzy hat?

I think he needs to look up the definition of Informant or "snitch" An informant isn't a person who does a crime but won't do the time LOL a informant is a person who makes it possible for someone who's done a crime to do their time they wouldn't otherwise turn themselves in to do!!! I suppose in thug world that means selling your soul to insure that justice is served? Well if I had any info on the case I guess my soul would be up for sale.

[curiouscat]

WOW. That is the most amazing article. Complete profiling like on a crime
show and it appears many people have been consulted.

I agree! One of the only news articles I've read, that actually has some real info.

Yes it is! I think this is the info the public has wanted to hear/read about and IMO the release of this article makes me think the arrest will be very soon. LE usually comes straight out with the profile, letting the killer or killers know their secrets are out just before the proverbial shit hits the fan for them. I think they just told the public and TW's crew "Wat up" Let's see.....this quote caught my attention and should theirs too.
"He suggested the killers are young — 18 to 30 years old — and likely are high school dropouts from broken homes. They may live with an older relative, and if they work, they have nonskilled jobs at a fast-food restaurant or gas station. Now what group does that sound like that?

Also stating that the scene, was an organized act(only organized in that they planned and intended on torturing and killing) perpetuated by disorganized criminals (sounds like them again) and the means of murder was very cruel, appears to have been driven by jealousy and the desire to cause suffering of the victims all points back in the direction of the DC and his gang of Niggaz 'as they seem to consider this name a loving term of endearment".
Also someone, I don't remember on what page (sorry) mentioned that they noticed one girl is FB friends with TW, AG and BD...I found it last night and honestly it made my stomach turn. She might be not involved, but if I were her and these 3 ppl all were on my friends list, I'd have to reconsider my choices in friendship and I'd do a little bit of weeding from my friends list, cuz these ppl are not safe to associate with.

[EastCoastKat]

I've been wondering why Tiffany & A.G. haven't put their profiles on private for a couple days now. They know that people are looking at their pages & they know that people suspect atleast Tiffanys involvement. I've come to the conclusion, although it would be smart of them to hide their profiles, they never will because they enjoy & thrive on the attention. I can hear them now "D3y jus hayt3n on us" "D3ys all juz j3aloz cuz d3y caint b3 lyk3 us" (Dear Lord I've been looking at too many of these profiles, I think I've mastered the language LOL) A.G. posted a song on his profile a couple of hours ago, a song called Rumors by one Mr "Woka Flocka" lol

"Rumors"

[Chorus:]
They wanna see me dead puttin prices on my head
Spreadin rumors round town like I fell down
They cant hold me down they cant stop my shine
They cant block my grind shawty its game time
Pyru for life breads off the elms nigga ian big on lick
Cause ian been to the mother land here I stand grown ass
Man gun in my hand ion fear no man FLOCKA!!!

[Verse 1]
These niggas fuckin trippin second guess am I livin
Better tell em I'm gone kill em twenty bags and tell em
Come get em make ya boy scared to say nun him
I thank that I scared him I swear to god
Dont fear them these niggas straight trippin
Thinkin that I'm slippin pull it out
Then I'm rippin my whole click
Itchin lookin for the fuckin victum
Free my partner isum tunnel fuckin vision
I swear to god on jesus christ I dnt fuckin hear em

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
These niggas say they kilt me and kidnapped my daughter
Ion even got no daughter they mad cause imma baller
And they hoes a caller you know that imma stall her
Then dick her and ball her then never ever call her
Grind hard like my mother I'm the problem solver AR
Or revolver you hard then I am harder stop actin like a killer
You pussy ass nigga you aint wanna murder
Thats why I'm still alive nigga BRICKSQUAD!!!

sounds like his is taunting someone to me.

He posted this right around the same time that the female on the justice page was sharing the messages that he sent her. Instead of making their pages private to give people less to talk about, he instead chooses to post YES taunting video/songs. As for their pages maybe being locked... I don't know, not sure how that would work BUT they always have the option of not posting anything. For that matter, if they can post things they could also go & delete everything they've ever posted but they haven't.

It's as if they don't care who reads, or maybe they're just too ignorant to think about privacy ? I would think if a person was involved with this murder, or even knows what happened, they'd stay away from posting too much...stuff (Tiffany & her boyfriend) Although, I guess none of it's really incriminating. I'm going out on a limb & say neither one of them has anything to do, with what happened to John & Lisa. I might be wrong, but somehow I don't 'feel' it.

I tend to agree with Jane - I also don't think TW had anything to do with this, despite popular opinion that she did, and despite the fact that she seems to have made osme bad choices in my life. I'm guilty of that too.

Tiffany knows something for sure, I don't think she actually put her hands on JC or LS, funny that she wasn't there though, isn't it? I mean 1 hour later and she would have had a plastic bag around her head too!!

She reminds me of a girl I once knew, she was my roommate. I drove her everywhere, she didn't drive. The car I had wasn't insured or registered yet, I couldn't afford it at the time, I was a single mother had just separated from my ex and I was waiting for my income tax check to get insurance and register the car, and the town I lived in, you really had to have a car to have a job or even to go grocery shopping. What was weird was every day I gave this girl a ride home from work but this day she didn't want one, guess what??? YEP the cops were waiting for me right in front of my house as I drove up! All they did was tell me to get the car off the road, the cops were really nice about it, luckily because the plates were actually another friend's who could have been in trouble for giving them to me!

The story behind it: I got in an argument with this girl's boyfriend (ironically I was protecting her) and he turned me in for no insurance and no registration! Her boyfriend didn't know anything about my car, so the more I thought about it, the more I realized what had just happened, she told her boyfriend about my car, knew he had turned me in and that I was on my way to being stopped by the police and that was why she wouldn't step a foot in the car! Needless to say I waited for her to come home to confront her, she came in really late, guess she thought I'd be sleeping and wouldn't have thought about it, well I threw a hand full of quarters at her and told her she earned her hand full of silver and to take it but our 10yr friendship was OVER. She cried and admitted yes she knew that I was going to be stopped that's why she didn't get in the car, and yes her BF did it because I told him off! I had a child, I was just trying to make it on my own, what if I would have went to jail for this nonsense?? She didn't care, the abusive married boyfriend meant more to her than her best friend that let her move in to her house when she needed a place to stay and drove her everywhere she needed to go...Of course the married scum dropped her and went back to his wife and she lost me as a friend forever, when I would see her out and about and she says hello, I say Hi and keep going!

So moral to this story, why wasn't Tiffany at the house?? Why didn't they pick her up on their way back from TGIF< she was trying to delay JC and LS from leaving the house even longer with her run to the grocery store story. Like I said 1 hour later and she would have had a plastic bag around her head too!! IF any of her story is true at all! There are Judas' everywhere and they will get their 30 pieces of silver for whatever reasons or however they can!

Sorry this was so long, but there are girls like Tiffany that do anything for scummy guys, no matter how big or how small! And that's what I think she is doing, protecting another scummy guy, how many times do you think she protected her other ex DC or lied for him, countless I'll bet!

[Freshbait78]

SO agree with you Kat!

[sharit]

AG just posted this, 3 minutes ago, on Facebook

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me? all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....very sad but we do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that...... whatever u call a person that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

Just as I suspected the very 1^st comment under his status is :
You'll have ur HaTeRz!! Their jus jealous lol Screw em



What I want to know is what's to be jealous of? His criminal background? Skanky girlfriend? Fuzzy hat?

I think he needs to look up the definition of Informant or "snitch" An informant isn't a person who does a crime but won't do the time LOL a informant is a person who makes it possible for someone who's done a crime to do their time they wouldn't otherwise turn themselves in to do!!! I suppose in thug world that means selling your soul to insure that justice is served? Well if I had any info on the case I guess my soul would be up for sale.

most often criminals become informants to get out of trouble. seen it many times.

[Freshbait78]

AG just posted this, 3 minutes ago, on Facebook

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me? all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....very sad but we do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that...... whatever u call a person that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

Just as I suspected the very 1^st comment under his status is :
You'll have ur HaTeRz!! Their jus jealous lol Screw em



What I want to know is what's to be jealous of? His criminal background? Skanky girlfriend? Fuzzy hat?

I think he needs to look up the definition of Informant or "snitch" An informant isn't a person who does a crime but won't do the time LOL a informant is a person who makes it possible for someone who's done a crime to do their time they wouldn't otherwise turn themselves in to do!!! I suppose in thug world that means selling your soul to insure that justice is served? Well if I had any info on the case I guess my soul would be up for sale.

most often criminals become informants to get out of trouble. seen it many times.

This is true & I've heard of it, just didn't think of it at the moment. Must be why he says "sell your soul for some short shit" Shorter sentence I assume. Oh well my moto is if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. So if he's innocent he has no need to worry about anyone snitching on him for a shorter sentence or a clean conscience or whatever the case may be.

[KarmaK]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages...357?v=wall

Here is a link to a new RIP Johnny page on fb. Maybe she created it since all the "trolls" are now on the justice page

[Wish.I.was.a.P.I]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages...357?v=wall

Here is a link to a new RIP Johnny page on fb. Maybe she created it since all the "trolls" are now on the justice page

That page has always exsisted. I believe the Justice page was set up from someone other than Maytee but this one was set up by Maytee.

[pspence]

I think too that Maytee is into witchcraft and setting spells on Ms T...that really creeped me out talking about "they are pregnant and have children"...I hope Ms. T stays safe with her children...I don't think she had anything to do with any of it...I don't blame Maytee for her mad grief...I'd be out of my mind too but just think it is misplaced...I would think knowing me I'd take a few xenex and go to bed in the fetal position if a (God forbid) tragedy happened ...I don't want to judge anyone, just wished maybe her husband or someone would give her a sedative...

I have never been so obsessed with a case and praying for it to be resolved...I've never thought it was about robbery...I 've thought from the beginning like what one of those profilers said "this was up close and personal"...and "sadistic"...robbery might have been a secondary outcome but the first was a sadistic murder...Lisa's ex has been interviewed by police and he's very freaked out ...i don't think it was him. I think it was revenge for someone who was an informant or something like that...just guessing...shame it takes so long for DNA...I just hope Maytee doesn't do anything hasty instead of waiting for police to arrest the right people...I can't imagine the pain of all involved in this...and she had to do the hair and makeup of her baby's body...omg...so tragic for all...

[netsleuth]

Interesting article. Certainly points to the T crew.

Disorganized criminals - check

18-30 (this may eliminate ZB, by the way) - check

Questionable employment status - check

Lives with/off older relatives in spite of being adults - check

Unusual plastic bag weaponry - not unusual in some forms of pop culture - (video, movies etc.) Other gangs have used this form of torture/murder as well, as we've noted here. It's also possible that the bags were brought to carry loot from the imaginary safe, and used to murder in a pinch?

Hmmm. I wonder if any of the idiots left prints on the security system pamphlet? That might be a bit difficult to explain.

Translation of AG's recent FB rant.

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me?

Shit, someone turned me in!

all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....

We had an agreement. "Ganstas" don't snitch.

very sad but we do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that......

Says it all, doesn't it? He knows he was "informed" upon. This nails it for me. The dude is guilty IMHO.

whatever u call a person that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

He's afraid one of his "niggas" - who was potentially involved, or knew information, flipped.

The next post is an attempt to cover for his ignorance above. I wonder, does Wocka Focka have a song about death row?

[Unknown]

I will never stop giving information on you. I will not stop until my last bit of energy has been taken, and neither will the person that fills in my steps. Come to my place, and I will put the fear of god in you.