Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[jash]

That is just so sad. Their strategy backfired in the worst way possible. Early in reading this thread I was thinking that if you have a daughter like Lisa and she gets mixed up with a Johnny, you put her on the next flight to Europe and tell her she's getting a dream vacation.

Well,you can't fault the parents for their "way" of trying to handle the situation because they ended up paying the ultimate price, didn't they? But, as I posted before...I went thru something similar with my own daughter, who was over 21, and I was prepared to FIGHT TO THE DEATH to get rid of the infestation that was this particular man. And he knew it. And I won. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....for your kid. You can't play nice, you have to get dirty, you're in a street fight with a thug, but parents...YOU CAN DO IT! do it, so no other parents have to pay the price that the Straubs did.

[heyyou]

o ok didnt cover the whole thread sorry

[Lady Cop]

o ok didnt cover the whole thread sorry

no problem, it's too much to try to read the whole thing. thanks for joining.

[TotallyCurious]

Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

[JsMom]

I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!

i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom

post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...

am a grieving friend. I have a lot of information on this case. I am writing to get my own emotion off my chest and get any information from you (the people). Where to start,

Part 1: My mother gets a phone call around 10:00pm Sunday night from a guy by the name Mr.Z who dates the girl who was on the phone with johnny at 11:00pm the night the murders took place. Mr.Z was trying to borrow money from my mom and said it was for diapers for his child that he's going to be watching within the next couple of days. My mom who is a friend of his mom knows that he has a percocet addiction so she says no that she had no money, she had bills to pay earlier that day. The next day I get a phone call letting me know what happened to Lisa, and I call my mom grieving and telling her what happened and she lets me know that Mr.Z just had the cops over his house and had taken him downtown. Since Mr.Z phone was the last one to talk to Johnny. She then lets me know he was trying to get money off her that night.

Part 2: The girl who was on the phone with Johnny. We'll call her Ms.T I have been over to Mr.Z house over the years since he lives with his mom and I help her out on occasions. Well over the past few weeks I've gone over there she had first let me know that Mr.Z was dating a heroin dealer by the name of Ms.T. I was like wow. She said she buys him whatever he wants. New shoes, clothing, dinners. Problem is Mr.Z likes to run all over his mom so she lets him get away with about anything. About 2 weeks ago I go over there and she tells me hes been doing really bad and has been going through withdraws from percocet.

Part 3: The 911 calls were released. I listened to them and Johnny's mother said that Ms.T had talked to her son cause they were going to hang out over at Lisa parents and they were waiting to be picked up. Ms.T said she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the saying from the paper that was:'Who are you? What do you want? What are you doing here? (which that isn't what was said I come to find out. I'll address that next. She says she heard the phone drop and then the phone went dead. We'll the mother states Ms.T drove to the house (w/ Mr.Z) and tried to ring the door bell a bunch of times and had no answer so she then called a girl named Shirita who then called a Ruben who then called the mother. Which then the mother contacted the police at 1:21 a.m. So, here's what I'm getting, at 11:00 o'clock Ms. T hears the robbery taking place so she drives over to Lisa's house which its a 20 min drive from South St. rings the door bell and no one answers? So she stays there and calls here friend Shirita instead of calling the cops? Well Ms.T and Mr.Z leave the scene and somehow gets a hold of Johnny's dad which they go pick him up then drive back to the house which the cops show about then.

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed. She asked me how I was doing and I said I'm upset over what happened to Lisa she says yea Mr.Z had the cops over there since Johnny was Mr.Z's best friend and that Ms.T was on the phone with Johnny at the time it happen. I thought here's my chance to ask whatever I can to get whatever info that Mr.Z and told his Mom. So I began asking questions. I asked what did she say to you when she was on the phone with Johnny? She said Johnny said first, "Hey bro, what are you doing here?" like in a more serious tone. Then Johnny says, "Who, the **** are you!" and she couldn't hear what they were saying that Johnny started yelling, then the phone went dead. I asked could she hear Lisa, she said no she didn't hear anything from Lisa. I asked "How were they found? Do you know?" She said bound up with electrical cords with bags over their heads. Stunned that she said electrical cords. I said yea I listened to the 911 calls and Johnny's mom said that she could see them bound up with Johnny's phone on him. I said if Ms.T said the phone dropped why was the phone on him? She states yes he had his phone on his chest with his wallet also on his chest. Just stunned that she knew this information. I said, "I knew Lisa but I didn't know Mr. Z knew Lisa." She said that Johnny had been dating her over the past few months and introduced her to percocet, that the group of them had been doing. She also stated Johnny had called Mr.Z a few nights before the murders occured and said that the parents were going out of town for a week and that they had a nice house with a pool table. She said Mr.Z went over to the house the night before the murders occurred and that they were probably doing percocets. She also said Johnny had called Mr.Z that day looking to see if he could find percocets for him. So Johnny had enough money on him that day to buy percocets and before Ms.T called Johnny that night, Mr.Z had called my mom one hour prior, looking to get money from her and he couldn't get it. If he was supppose to get money from my mom, who lives 20 minutes away from Mr. Z, why would he leave to get the money if he was getting picked up by Johnny and Lisa? He would have already of had a way to get to Lisa's house, which would mean he wouldn't have needed a ride to get there.

In my opinion, Ms.T and Mr.Z were feining for percocet, they didn't have the cash to get it, Johnny probably already found percocets. If Johnny already had the percocet and didn't share with Mr.Z, that pissed him off or just couldn't pay him for it so the two went over to the house in Mr.Z's mom's car. They already knew the layout from the night before. They either went through the garage door which was probably left open from when Lisa and Johnny got home and parked Lisa's car in the garage. The door opens into the kitchen which is normally never locked and that's where everything took place. Johnny saw Mr.Z and said bro, what are you doing here and Mr.Z said I got the money even though he didn't. Johnny turned around and Mr.Z pistol whipped him knocking Johnny out. Mr.Z put the bag over Johnny's head cause, yes it was his friend and he didn't want to see his face and the look on Johnny's face for what he was going to do there. They either took the percs and then searched through the house for whatever money they could find, then went out through the garage, shutting it behind them then called Shirita and made up the story about how she was on the phone with Johnny and heard a robbery. Shirita called Ruben, who then called Johnny's mom. Ms.T and Mr.Z get a hold of Johnny's dad and leave the scene and show back up with the dad to be like, why would we do it and then go get the father? Then the cops show up 2 hours from the time the murders took place.

This doesnt sound correct to me~but who am I~Im no takin sides but IDK if all this is true~some probably is but some isnt!

[truth be told]

Johnny was loved by many, his biggest problem in life was his mother. For years neighbors, friends, and even family members have been tormented by Maytee's sadistic antics. We have all seen her selling drugs to youngsters and even allowing them to do drugs at her house for years. Everybody who knows her knows that she is pure "EVIL"...people really fear this woman! As a law abiding tax payer of Toledo, I want justice for these two young souls. Maytee, La Cubana, Maya or whatever name your using today: is all the lashing out on the internet because of your guilty conscious?

[Lady Cop]

phrases for the day---->

IN MY OPINION

IT IS ALLEGED.




welcome to Mock Truth.

[shitstorm]

Here's the thing - this is an excellent theory, but if it is true, arrests would have happened by now, and I'm talking about DNA verification as well. WTF?

Because they were there the night before so their DNA could have been there, they are admitting they were there the night before, hanging out.
So their DNA would be there from the night before, and I am sure cops are tying to separate all of it...

And by the way Mr.Z is only a few months short of being an over 21yr. old adult!

Then he is NOT a minor!

[Sincere]

Johnny was loved by many, his biggest problem in life was his mother. For years neighbors, friends, and even family members have been tormented by Maytee's sadistic antics. We have all seen her selling drugs to youngsters and even allowing them to do drugs at her house for years. Everybody who knows her knows that she is pure "EVIL"...people really fear this woman! As a law abiding tax payer of Toledo, I want justice for these two young souls. Maytee, La Cubana, Maya or whatever name your using today: is all the lashing out on the internet because of your guilty conscious?

So , IN YOUR OPINION , what is your take on Maytee and Lisa's relationship ?

[Duchess]

his biggest problem in life was his mother.

Can you elaborate any on that statement?

[purplepegasus]

Johnny was loved by many, his biggest problem in life was his mother. For years neighbors, friends, and even family members have been tormented by Maytee's sadistic antics. We have all seen her selling drugs to youngsters and even allowing them to do drugs at her house for years. Everybody who knows her knows that she is pure "EVIL"...people really fear this woman! As a law abiding tax payer of Toledo, I want justice for these two young souls. Maytee, La Cubana, Maya or whatever name your using today: is all the lashing out on the internet because of your guilty conscious?

I don't know Maytee, so I can't comment on her being evil, but she strikes me as the type of parent that would do this (the bolded) to be liked by her son and his friends. Growing up in the area I knew a lot of parents that would do this and it would explain her guilty conscience as well as why she was so adamant that the cops get into that house. I'm thinking as a parent myself, I'd be really upset with the way she tried to be a friend instead of a parent. (at least that is the impression I get)

[Lady Cop]

Storm re: Z...Then he is NOT a minor!

i have good information that he IS a minor. i would need proof that he is not. and he still has not been named a suspect of course, which i know was not implied by you.

[shitstorm]

A NOTICE

i have to make judgement calls as we go along here.
from now on THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU POST! you are grownups. you have to stand by what you say, when in doubt say nothing. i had to do some editing in past few pages, again for a member's safety and privacy. do not invade others' privacy. do not regret what you say 27 minutes later. it's going to stand.
this applies to everyone. no exceptions.
i'm not the cleanup crew.

For the record, because I have posted on the same subjects for years, I've had people at forums pull up what I've written back in 2004 - all through Google. I tend to use the same user IDs, but still - NOTHING is private on the WORLD WIDE FUCKING WEB!

[Red_velvet71]

hey im new here and have been reading the posts and i wanna put my input in...... i think that its kinda weird about all this stuff with tiffany her stories dont add up and another thing just a year ago tiffanys boyfriend 50cal was shot n murdered for attempting to rob sum friends of his and he got caught juz my opinion but i would suspect that with tiffany being so involved with this brutal murder that she is very much involved

Is it me or does anyone else hear Roger Miller singing "Dang Me"?

[JsMom]

his biggest problem in life was his mother.

Can you elaborate any on that statement?

LISTENS CLOSELY! I wanna know too!
:come and join us:

[heyyou]

Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

no tiffany never set up her boyfriend... him and a few othr people did it on there own and they messed with the wrong people im very familiar with this case as he did die in my ex-girlfriends backyard

[JsMom]

Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

no tiffany never set up her boyfriend... him and a few othr people did it on there own and they messed with the wrong people im very familiar with this case as he did die in my ex-girlfriends backyard

O DAMN!

[shitstorm]

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I am so proud of Tiffany. I knew from the start that she has had nothing to do with this and was just trying to help the whole time. I'm so glad she has come on here to defend herself...she has a good heart.

I know that good heart shows in her rap sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i bet half the people on this forum either have a rap sheet and probably have dabled with drugs at some point in their life, or just damn lucky they never got caught...unlike 95% of toledo (kidding)

no seriously, major kuddos to you tiff, who impo happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...and by joining here tonight defending her truth, is someone i wouldn't mind having my back.

thank you

sorry but my i dont have a rap sheet

Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.

What is that supposed to mean? Unless someone has multiple personality disorder I think they know if they've been arrested. A rap sheet is not the same thing as having a "file", as can happen with political dissidents.

[Sincere]

I have a couple of questions for anyone that might have the answers . 1. In the alleged 3 months that J.C stayed at L.S's , was this the first time her parents were out of town ? I wonder if they ever went anywhere for a weekend , or if this was in fact their very first time of being out of town . 2 . The relationship that L.S and J.C's mother had . Was it a pleasant one ?

[Lady Cop]

i bet half the people on this forum either have a rap sheet and probably have dabled with drugs at some point in their life, or just damn lucky they never got caught...unlike 95% of toledo (kidding)

no seriously, major kuddos to you tiff, who impo happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...and by joining here tonight defending her truth, is someone i wouldn't mind having my back.

thank you

sorry but my i dont have a rap sheet

Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.

What is that supposed to mean? Unless someone has multiple personality disorder I think they know if they've been arrested. A rap sheet is not the same thing as having a "file", as can happen with political dissidents.

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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

DCTim:
Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.





a rap sheet implies/refers to having been arrested.
i think people know whether they've ever been arrested. you don't forget that sort of thing.