Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[TotallyCurious]

it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

I love mock

Hee Hee. Perhaps Maytee has dual personalities and one is herself
and one is the administrator. LOLOLOL

[JsMom]

it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

I love mock

I LOVE MOCK TOO!!!!!!!!!!! :B :B

[Jane]

O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up

It is amazing, isn't it?

Wonder if they had a chance to speak with a convicted murderer, who professed his/her innocence?

Well, boy-howdy!

There goes that danged overcrowded prison problem!

JC saying he would call her back a hour later is the total opposite of what TW said in the 911 call, sorry. Not a matter of semantics as somebody said. These are 2 very different statements.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm still way back in the thread and maybe it's been discussed more. You are right about the devil being in the details.

Last night I brought up that Tiffany changed her story about her friend's mother's car. On the night of murders she said she had to wait for the mother to get home before driving to Lisa's. Last night she said she had to wake the mother up. I dismissed it as inconsequential but I could be wrong. It might be an indicator of pathological lying.

I still dismiss it as inconsequential.

[Jane]

NO, she wasn't even consistent, on the 911 call she says she called JC right back and texted LS, on the board here she says she waited a hour didn't call them because JC said he would call her in an hour... why wouldn't she mention that to the 911 operator, oh he said he would call me in an hour so I didn't bother checking or calling anyone, NOPE she never says that once, infact she supposedly was worried right away calling him right back and texting LS,how on earth are these 2 statements consistent? You got me??? She is a manipulator. Drug addicts and cons know how to do it the best and playing stupid is probably on of her biggest ruses. Or saying things to certain people. Version #1 I called Johnny right back and texted LS. Or Version#2 Oh I waited an hour cause JC said to wait an hour.They know every trick in the book, at the risk of repeating myself, just ask people who deal with them, parents, lovers, kids, employers, parole officer, doctors that they get to write them prescriptions. I would believe that maybe all that tough nigga/bytch talk on her FB site was just stupid stuff, IF, if it didnt' have the rapsheet and the dead ex to go along with it. She knows way more and even who was involved in this and I agree Sociopaths are charming when they want something that is!!

This is what I've been trying to get across, but only a few people are getting it - and it really is quite serious...

I don't remember Tiffany saying that JC told her to wait an hour. I thought she said that he said he would call her back and when he didn't call back in an hour, she went to the Straub's house to see if everything was OK.

THANK YOU! Tiffany never said JC told her he'd call her back in an hour!!

[TotallyCurious]

Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

But I also think the killers specifically placed JC cell on his body as a statement about what brought this murder to bare on JC and LS

I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article.

[shitstorm]

What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas

MAYTEE said that the phone was on his chest, his body. NO ONE ELSE...MAYTEE said it.

The police said there were cell phone parts strewn across the room. they said nothing about phones being on either of the bodies.

See that that I bolded in your post? Last night Tiffany said she looked in through the side lights of the front door of Lisa's house and saw a closet open. Perhaps she also said that to Sherita who conveyed that to Maytee.

3. Go to the end of this video, specifically at 1:54 and look at the side lights at the front door

Okay, Tiff said last night that she looked thru the windows by the door, she said there are 2 big windows by the door..she did NOT say sidelights...if you look at the video, you can see the 2 big windows she said she looked thru..this is where she said the only light on was the one in stairwell. MAYTEE is the one that consistently says all the lights are on, cabinets open, etc.

We have to be careful about repeating stuff incorrectly cuz that's when things get all confused again. In my rather large post pages ago, I had put the stories told side by side. The ONLY discrepancy in Tiffs 911 call and the story she told here last night was the "I'll call ya back Tiff" VERY important piece of info. So, the question is...is did JC say that..or didn't he?? But the only thing we have publicly written or quoted as far as Tiff goes is the 911 call and what she posted here last night. When comparing the 2...JC saying I'll call ya later, is the discrepancy. I wonder if she just didn't say it on the 911 call cuz your upset, the moms screaming at you, blah, blah....or did she "remember" that little tidbit AFTER being basically eviserated in the press and online for "waiting" so long to call someone, and she just made it up to make herself look better? If the events and phone call went down as Tiff stated, I don't fault her at all for not calling anyone. Why in the world would you think something is wrong or someone needs to be called when a friend of yours tells you he'll call you back and says, Bro..what r u doin? It just became this HUGE deal because of what Maytee put out there....screaming, leave us alone, ransacked, lights and doors open, phones dropping, etc...
I do not believe that Maytee plotted her sons death, but I'm thinking more and more that her hand is in here somewhere...JMO of course.

You're right, she didn't say side lights. My bad. Those are the only TWO windows I see by the door, however. There is a large bay window, which is THREE windows, to the left. I can't see to the right. I looked at the Goggle maps street view and you can't see there, either.

If the story when down as she said it did, I said before that I wouldn't have acted any differently. That's a big "if" for me, though.

[JsMom]

So I just found out that the Administrator for the Facebook page for Johnny and Lisa removed me and also blocked me, because I told them that they should not attack Tiffany (they kept posting and posting questions, which she wasn't responding to) and told them that they Police and FBI know what they are doing and how to do it! I am really pissed, I live right down the street from the Straub Family. I was not bashing on anybody but simply stating what I felt. I want this murderer caught as much as they do. I heard from several people that were a part of that group as soon as the administrator didn't like the comment you post they remove you! That page was not about the administrator it was about JOHNNY AND LISA!

SHES RIDICULOUS She blocks everyone! Shes useless as tits on a nun! She shouldnt have a damn page up for someone she dont even know! Thats even more ridiculous! SHE NEEDS TO DO HERSELF A FAVOR AND BLOCK HER OWN ASS!

So let me get this straight, the Administrator isn't a relative?!? Just somebody who felt like opening a page for Johnny and Lisa!?!?!?!? Sorry I'm new at all of this!

YES UR RIGHT! SHE ISNT SHIT TO EITHER FAMILY && SHE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT EITHER OF THEM! SHE BLOCKS EVERYONE!

[Jane]

Johnny was loved by many, his biggest problem in life was his mother. For years neighbors, friends, and even family members have been tormented by Maytee's sadistic antics. We have all seen her selling drugs to youngsters and even allowing them to do drugs at her house for years. Everybody who knows her knows that she is pure "EVIL"...people really fear this woman! As a law abiding tax payer of Toledo, I want justice for these two young souls. Maytee, La Cubana, Maya or whatever name your using today: is all the lashing out on the internet because of your guilty conscious?

"guilty conscience" I do believe!!

[JsMom]

it closes every night so she can make sure nobody sneaks in and posts something she doesn't approve of.

I love mock

Hee Hee. Perhaps Maytee has dual personalities and one is herself
and one is the administrator. LOLOLOL

Thats nt true me and M talk about the loss of ur kids together and she would not of blocked me if she was the admin. of that page!

[Jane]

Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

no tiffany never set up her boyfriend... him and a few othr people did it on there own and they messed with the wrong people im very familiar with this case as he did die in my ex-girlfriends backyard

hey thanks, for that bit of info!

[JsMom]

Kind of a random thought, but if TW's story about her continually calling JC and not getting through to him is true, I'm thinking that the killers smashed the phones because they were tired of hearing them ring? Might explain a little why there were cell phone parts all over the place. For some reason this is the first that even crossed my mind.

But I also think the killers specifically placed JC cell on his body as a statement about what brought this murder to bare on JC and LS

I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!

It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article.

OK just makin sure it was a TRUE statement! Thanks for clearin it up for me!

[jash]

ZEROSPHERES Wrote:
Thanks EastCoastKat
Thanks for the complete transcription of the second 911 call.
zero

I find it so eerie that "cells phones on their bodies" are confirmed in subsequent 911 calls that morning

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We beg you, come forward, come forward and let us all have some peace. And that poor girl! They did not deserve to die.

911 OPERATOR: Cell phones on their bodies?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With cell phones on their bodies!

911 OPERATOR: She`s unclothed with pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She only has pants on! And their hands are tied!

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right, we`ll get them out there, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: I need you to calm down. We`ll get them out there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God! Please hurry!

911 OPERATOR: All right. We will.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Longacre Drive! Longacre Lane!

911 OPERATOR: I have the address. We`ll get them out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good-bye

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Just because an unidentified female stated that cell phones were on their bodies, does NOT mean it is true or confirmed. Again, here we go. LE nor anyone else published has stated that cell phones were on the bodies. LE stated that cell phone parts were strewn around the room, Lisa's uncle has confirmed that statement in print. Once again...Maytee, or one of her cohorts threw something out there that isn't Confirmed as true.

ALso, Lisa's uncle has stated in print and confirmed that LISA WAS IN UNIFORM when found. That she didn't even have a chance to change. She was not naked, her top wasn't off, her pants weren't off....AGAIN...more 911 calls being taken as the gospel when they are NOT.

I fell we have to expand our feelings and thoughts, along with our suspicions. We are starting to do what sometimes cops do...Coming up with a theory, then jamming all the evidence and making it "fit" your theory. I only say this as the wife of an undercover cop and he has discussed that problem before. I see us doing that also. Nobody thinks Maytee would set up her own son to die? WHY NOT? Mothers kill their children with their bare hands all the time. What if Maytee just set up the robbery, not expecting Johnny to be hurt? She's the one shooting her mouth off about the Straubs weren't home, safes, they were after something in that house, I've seen where they keep the key..etc. She's talking WAY to much, blatantly making up shit and insinuating that that is what has been said when it hasn't, blaming others, taking center stage (has to be center stage in my book), on and on...We just don't WANT to think a mom could do that. LIsa's ex is still a viable suspect in my book. Revenge for snitching is also viable...the list is endless of suspects unfortunately. The only thing I do NOT think is viable is a straight forward, stranger home invasion with intent to rob. THEY DIDN"T TAKE ANYTHING!! Oh wait, yes they did...a 40 bucks in the change jar, overlooking all the electronics, jewelry, etc.

Someone mentioned previously that JC snitched to reduce his time and get out early. If I'm reading the docket right...all of them got out early. JC was only sentenced to 2 3-yr terms to run concurrently and in Ohio, you serve ¹⁄₃ of your sentence and you are eligible for parole in most cases. 3 years...served a little over a year...that sounds about right. He didn't get out early per se cuz he snitched...it was just time for him to get out of our glorious prison system here...

[Lady Cop]

sanders is still incarcerated.

[jash]

You're right, she didn't say side lights. My bad. Those are the only TWO windows I see by the door, however. There is a large bay window, which is THREE windows, to the left. I can't see to the right. I looked at the Goggle maps street view and you can't see there, either

If you watch the video you posted...you can see the 2 windows just for a second on film. you can kinda see them on the street view in google. This is if you are facing the front of the house. The bay window is to the left, the 2 windows are next to the sidelights..over a bit (but still under the overhang of porch)

[kfran]

These kids probably died because one of them ran their mouth about something that wasn't even true. Everyone likes to blow shit up someone elses ass every now & then. Problem here is, it cost them their lives. It could've been "yeah I snitched on xx so I got early..." or "yeah Lisa's parents have a safe in their house w/mad cash,"... you get the point.

[jash]

sanders is still incarcerated.

Thanks LC....

[shitstorm]

Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?

The bodies were discovered at 3:50 AM

[Jane]

What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas

MAYTEE said that the phone was on his chest, his body. NO ONE ELSE...MAYTEE said it.

The police said there were cell phone parts strewn across the room. they said nothing about phones being on either of the bodies.

See that that I bolded in your post? Last night Tiffany said she looked in through the side lights of the front door of Lisa's house and saw a closet open. Perhaps she also said that to Sherita who conveyed that to Maytee.

3. Go to the end of this video, specifically at 1:54 and look at the side lights at the front door

Okay, Tiff said last night that she looked thru the windows by the door, she said there are 2 big windows by the door..she did NOT say sidelights...if you look at the video, you can see the 2 big windows she said she looked thru..this is where she said the only light on was the one in stairwell. MAYTEE is the one that consistently says all the lights are on, cabinets open, etc.

We have to be careful about repeating stuff incorrectly cuz that's when things get all confused again. In my rather large post pages ago, I had put the stories told side by side. The ONLY discrepancy in Tiffs 911 call and the story she told here last night was the "I'll call ya back Tiff" VERY important piece of info. So, the question is...is did JC say that..or didn't he?? But the only thing we have publicly written or quoted as far as Tiff goes is the 911 call and what she posted here last night. When comparing the 2...JC saying I'll call ya later, is the discrepancy. I wonder if she just didn't say it on the 911 call cuz your upset, the moms screaming at you, blah, blah....or did she "remember" that little tidbit AFTER being basically eviserated in the press and online for "waiting" so long to call someone, and she just made it up to make herself look better? If the events and phone call went down as Tiff stated, I don't fault her at all for not calling anyone. Why in the world would you think something is wrong or someone needs to be called when a friend of yours tells you he'll call you back and says, Bro..what r u doin? It just became this HUGE deal because of what Maytee put out there....screaming, leave us alone, ransacked, lights and doors open, phones dropping, etc...
I do not believe that Maytee plotted her sons death, but I'm thinking more and more that her hand is in here somewhere...JMO of course.

I'm glad to see someone else has this straight!! My GOD, I get so frustrated when so much shit is being thrown out there, that Tiffany did NOT say, last night! I believe the night of the 911 call, when Maytee put Tiffany on the phone, it rattled Tiffany, & who would blame her ??? Maytee's telling everyone Tiffany set her son up...WTF, I'd been shaken also, by this time. I don't doubt there's a lot left out, by Tiffany, as far as the 911 call goes. Can you imagine trying to talk to the dispatcher, with Maytee, her husband, & some "military" relative, gawking at her... BTW, I also found it odd that Maytee made sure to tell the dispatcher, she was with someone in the military .... LMAO, was that suppose to make the dispatcher scared, or what?

[kfran]

Was JC involved at all in D. St. Clair's death? Was he there, was he a snitch in some way? Or were JC & St. Clair involved in some sort of deal together. Just wondering if their deaths are related?

[djsecretary]

So I just found out that the Administrator for the Facebook page for Johnny and Lisa removed me and also blocked me, because I told them that they should not attack Tiffany (they kept posting and posting questions, which she wasn't responding to) and told them that they Police and FBI know what they are doing and how to do it! I am really pissed, I live right down the street from the Straub Family. I was not bashing on anybody but simply stating what I felt. I want this murderer caught as much as they do. I heard from several people that were a part of that group as soon as the administrator didn't like the comment you post they remove you! That page was not about the administrator it was about JOHNNY AND LISA!

SHES RIDICULOUS She blocks everyone! Shes useless as tits on a nun! She shouldnt have a damn page up for someone she dont even know! Thats even more ridiculous! SHE NEEDS TO DO HERSELF A FAVOR AND BLOCK HER OWN ASS!

So let me get this straight, the Administrator isn't a relative?!? Just somebody who felt like opening a page for Johnny and Lisa!?!?!?!? Sorry I'm new at all of this!

YES UR RIGHT! SHE ISNT SHIT TO EITHER FAMILY && SHE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT EITHER OF THEM! SHE BLOCKS EVERYONE!

One word.......WOW!