Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Jane]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

[kfran]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

[shitstorm]

Gang member gets three life sentences for two murders, kidnapping
September 22^nd, 2010 3:43 am ET


A 26-year-old member of the street gang International Robbing Crew received three life sentences Tuesday after he pleaded guilty to two murders and a kidnapping with bodily injury.

Mr. Daquan Stevens already was serving a life sentence plus 75 years for another gang-related murder and attempted armed robbery when officers linked him to the other three crimes, according to the Atlanta-Fulton County District Attorney’s office.

Investigators originally charged Mr. Stevens in a 60-count indictment with 11 other members and associates of the criminal street gang, the district attorney's spokeswoman Ms. Yvette Brown said.

The original indictment charged the IRC with eight murders, several armed robberies, kidnapping, and tampering with evidence, Ms. Brown said.

The gang, some evacuees from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina hit five years ago, may have killed up to 30 people within a two-year period in an attempt to dominate the Atlanta crime scene, according to media reports.

The district attorney’s office provided these details on the three crimes:

Mr. Stevens and other gang members planned to burglarize Mr. Mamadou Barry, a Warehouse owner and business associate of Mr. Steven’s father. But when the African businessman returned home unexpectedly that November in 2005, the defendants hog-tied, handcuffed, duck taped, and suffocated (with a plastic bag over his head) him and left his body inside the bathtub of his West End apartment.

Less than a year later, gang members gunned down Ryan Harmon, a soldier who had just returned home after completing his tour in Iraq. Days before his murder, Mr. Harmon and his friends had a dispute with Mr. Stevens and his co-defendants outside a local nightclub. In the early morning hours of April 13, 2006, Mr. Stevens and his co-defendants saw Mr. Harmon driving and followed him. Mr. Stevens pulled out an AK 47 assault rifle and shot at the back of Mr. Harmon’s vehicle at least 14 times; hitting Mr. Harmon twice and causing him to crash.

Less than five months later Mr. Stevens and co-defendants held at gunpoint a man they were previously gambling with, intending to rob him. On Sept. 11, 2006, they forced Mr. Gary Lester into a vehicle and ordered him to call his girlfriend at their East Point apartment. While some gang members held Mr. Lester hostage in one location, other IRC members and associates burglarized his home, forced his girlfriend to strip naked and eventually took many of the victim’s personal belongings. The IRC members took Mr. Lester to a remote location, handcuffed him and tried to suffocate him with a plastic bag. But Mr. Lester broke free. Someone pointed a gun at the victim’s head but it jammed when the trigger was pulled. The gang members let Mr. Lester go at that point, concluding that it was an “Act of God” that he survived death twice.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-atlanta...kidnapping

Sure, murder by plastic bag has happened, but compared to gun murders, is very very rare. Without knowing the statistics, I would venture to guess that for every murder by plastic bag, there are 1000 murders by gun.

Oh, I agree with you and have said the same throughout this thread. It's a highly unusual manner of murder. I was searching for info on homicides like this and this was the only one related to gangstas.

[shitstorm]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

Could have been. I think strangulation is classified as asphyxiation. However, if she was strangled then I don't see the need for the bag.

[shitstorm]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

The news stated that. Dunno if it came from the ME's office or the cops.

[TotallyCurious]

Interesting article on revenge. I have no clue how the police are
going to solve this double murder.
http://www.lwcbooks.com/articles/revengearticle.html

[kfran]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

Could have been. I think strangulation is classified as asphyxiation. However, if she was strangled then I don't see the need for the bag.

Exactly- This was a murder, why does it have to make sense? I'm just really wondering if the plastic bags were used in killing them, or at least Lisa. I think it's a strong possibility that she was strangled. And yes asphyxiation, is the lack of oxygen- there are several ways to cut off one's oxygen supply.

[Jane]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

The news stated that. Dunno if it came from the ME's office or the cops.

All I know is I read the "coroner" stated it.. I think it gave his name, in the article, can't remember. It's where he stated the TOD being 1-4

[curious]

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son is in the basement, tied up with a towel (ph). I just saw him through the window. The police were (EXPLETIVE DELETED) earlier and did absolutely nothing!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Both cell phones are on the ground, and we can see the people. Him and his girlfriend are tied up in the basement!

911 OPERATOR: Cell phones on their bodies?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With cell phones on their bodies!

911 OPERATOR: She`s unclothed with (INAUDIBLE) pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She only has pants on! And their hands are tied!

I think everyone can agree that the "unidentified female" is Maytee as she keeps saying my son.

More stuff that bothers me...

1. She says, "I just saw them" Yet it has been reported in PRINT that she waited in the car while her husband and cousin went to see if they could see anything. The cousin comes running back yelling call an ambulance, call the police...so Maytee did not see them when she said she did.

2. I can't see any way where you would say the word towels instead of duck tape.

3. The basement??? I don't even know where the hell she got this...You don't confuse a kitchen/family room combo with a basement.

4, Cell phones on their bodies? LE did not report this tho they reported cell phone parts strewn all over...I just think this is completel fabrication

5. Lisa has no top on. Lisa's uncle has confirmed that Lisa was still in her uniform..she was not found undressed.

All of Maytee's 911 calls in my opinion are half truths and complete fabrication and exaggeration about what was said and what occurred, and what she saw or didn't see. I swear, everything she says muddies the water further and makes it more difficult to weed out fact from fiction.

There's also conflicting reports and the lights being on...if what TW claims is accurate that only the light in the stairwell was on, how did the cousin see the bodies? Guess you would have to re-create the scenario to find out...dunno but i get more confused with every post

[Jane]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/02/police...-homicide/

"The initial report from the coroner's office is asphyxiation due to the bags over their heads," Lucas County Sheriff's Detective Patrick LaPlante told AOL News. "We are treating it as a homicide [investigation]."

this should clear up COD

[shitstorm]

I'm really getting soooooo frustrated by this case and the wall of silence from LE. My fear is that they're a bunch of incompetent bozos who might blow this case (and I don't mean wide open).

[Just-Curious]

I think their so-called friends know more than they are letting out. I also heard that Lisa’s ex-boyfriend was abusive to her in the past… I then heard she had just recently changed her Fb status to engaged, :and her picture with her and Johnny….hummmmmm. LS was found without her shirt. This was very personal. They said that JC first said "what the fuck are you doing here bro".... He knew her ex, since he was stalking her.
I feel terrible for the families…

[kitty1]

Very nice pic of Johnny & Lisa....

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1...57&theater

that picture is probably my favorite that ive seen of the two of them.
oh lisa... :(

she looks just like her mom.

[Jane]

http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...-ohio-home

Detectives suspect the murders were possibly the result of a robbery gone bad. The couple was murdered sometime between 1-4 a.m., at a home in the 2100 block of Longacre Lane near Pilliod Road, detectives said.

couldn't find where the coroner actually stated TOD 1-4, but detectives did.

[allieayy]

about her uncle saying that she was still in her uniform, conflicting with the reports that she was found topless or bottomless.
she may have still been in her uniform when the murderers got to her house.
that doesnt mean she was still wearing it when they left...
they may have just found her uniform somewhere around her body.

i hate to even think that let alone type it out. but its true.

[kitty1]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

[Jane]

about her uncle saying that she was still in her uniform, conflicting with the reports that she was found topless or bottomless.
she may have still been in her uniform when the murderers got to her house.
that doesnt mean she was still wearing it when they left...
they may have just found her uniform somewhere around her body.

i hate to even think that let alone type it out. but its true.

I'm glad you posted this. I think you're probably right. I'm guessing, her work clothes were near by, OR she had, either the shirt or pants still on (work clothes)

[jenjen]

I so totally agree with you, especially the "God Bless" part...it's bothered me all day, that is just not her lingo.

IMO, maybe it was her mother acting as her, trying to vindicate her daughter....probably doesn't want to be stuck raising her
4 kids if she goes to jail! Whoever it was has to be close to TW because, they do know a lot of info.

[AriGold]

Just wondering has anyone ever looked for rap sheets on Joe and Maggie Cromer, JC's uncle and aunt who spoke at the first press conference the night of the murder's with Lisa's uncle? I hope I I am not breaking rules, I am not calling them out as suspects, they just made themselves well known the first night and then disappeared. Is that Maytee's sister? Do you remember her, Aunt Maggie, seeming to almost laugh through the interview though media cut her off after seconds? Or her strange laugh-like, joker expression in the Toledo Blade? Maybe she was on xanax to remain calm....but.... They said he was so close to them that he was like a son...though now they have become silent and almost forgotten, conveniently invisible...this is not an accusation per say, so I hope i am not in trouble on here. I very much respect LC and the Dutchess, but with all the criminal records pulled regarding anyone we can find associated, what about them? I am not a great sleuth like many of you...so I am just putting it out there....can anyone do a search on them? Just a curious cat, who has felt bad vibes....

This couple is the only positive influence that Johnny had in his life. Johnny was like a son to them....you have no idea what they are going through. I can assure you that the picture of Aunt Mag was a bad editors choice to use (their tears are real and genuine). Maggie is the complete opposite of her "Evil" sister. For nearly 5 years Johnny lived with his aunt and uncles house while Mommy was no where no be found. Poor Johnny to be born into that enviroment. Things all changed once Mommy came back in the picture.

I've come to the conclusion she's a piss poor excuse of a mother.

I've come to the same conclusion.

[Jane]

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.