Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[purplepegasus]

Regarding TW and the way she speaks, I think some are putting too much stock in how she speaks to her peers compared with how she posted in here the other night. I don't see that as meaning a damn thing, I just don't. I know young people who use that slang online & in texting yet are perfectly capable of using great language skills in real life. I think it's irrelevant.

Same here. I mean she has obviously completed some college and either has a HS diploma or GED and you know it wasn't by typing lyke dys. I do think the "God bless" was over the top and just for show though.

[JsMom]

well, here's a case, where a plastic bag was put over the head of a 91 yr old woman, not all that long ago. Robbery was the motive. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/nyregi...uilty.html

WOW! Some people r sooooo fn sick! THATS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

[kfran]

Has the issue of the "intraband pants" been clarified yet? I'm still confused as to what those are and what part they played (if any) in this.

Intraband pants are pants or leggings that are stripped alternating colors ie; pink-black-pink-black.

And no I don't think the issue has been clarified yet. I thought maybe they strangled LS w/them or used them as a torture method. But no definitive answers.

[Lady Cop]

NOTICE TO OWNER OF JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY FACEBOOK PAGE:
ALL POSTS IN MY CRIME FORUM ARE COPYRIGHTED. reproduce them without attribution at your own risk.

i have complained to Facebook, step #1.

[EastCoastKat]

NO, she wasn't even consistent, on the 911 call she says she called JC right back and texted LS, on the board here she says she waited a hour didn't call them because JC said he would call her in an hour... why wouldn't she mention that to the 911 operator, oh he said he would call me in an hour so I didn't bother checking or calling anyone, NOPE she never says that once, infact she supposedly was worried right away calling him right back and texting LS,how on earth are these 2 statements consistent? You got me??? She is a manipulator. Drug addicts and cons know how to do it the best and playing stupid is probably on of her biggest ruses. Or saying things to certain people. Version #1 I called Johnny right back and texted LS. Or Version#2 Oh I waited an hour cause JC said to wait an hour.They know every trick in the book, at the risk of repeating myself, just ask people who deal with them, parents, lovers, kids, employers, parole officer, doctors that they get to write them prescriptions. I would believe that maybe all that tough nigga/bytch talk on her FB site was just stupid stuff, IF, if it didnt' have the rapsheet and the dead ex to go along with it. She knows way more and even who was involved in this and I agree Sociopaths are charming when they want something that is!!

This is what I've been trying to get across, but only a few people are getting it - and it really is quite serious...

I don't remember Tiffany saying that JC told her to wait an hour. I thought she said that he said he would call her back and when he didn't call back in an hour, she went to the Straub's house to see if everything was OK.

THANK YOU! Tiffany never said JC told her he'd call her back in an hour!!

Thank you Jane, Yeah I was typing so fast I mistyped, there was another post where I spelled it out better....but to be absolutely correct, I will post again why I believe this is important:

She said she waited an hour, because JC said he would call her back-
She never mentions JC saying he would call her back on the 911...she doen't say she waited an hour, she says she started calling and texting right back-

So what's the story? Did TW wait an hour because JC said he would call her back like she said on the board-or did she start to call/text right back like she said on the 911 call:

"I called him right back and he didn't answer. so I texted my friend Lisa's phone and and I was like umm where are you are, are you guys okay and they have not answered to me nothing they have not answered the phone and I been callin and callin...callin"

To me, TW sounds pretty worried about their safety on the 911 call when she says she called them right back. Or she wasn't worried until an hour later because JC said he would call her back? Why didn't she say Jc said he would call her back on the 911 call?

Was this at 11pm or an hour later?

SORRY, THAT IS A BIG DEAL, NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL AT ALL...

IT GOES TO THE TIMELINE OF THE VICTIMS...WHEN WERE THE VICTIMS UNABLE TO ANSWER AT 11pm OR AN HOUR LATER?? DID THE PHONE GO DEAD AT 11pm OR WAS IT AN HOUR LATER?? HOW IS THAT INCONSEQUENTIAL???

Sorry, that is a big discrepancy!
and I did correct what I mistyped.

[aileen]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

I don't recall them saying what color the pants were...where did you read/hear this?

[aileen]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that LS was strangled w/the black & pink pants?

No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

I don't recall them saying what color the pants were...where did you read/hear this?

I found it, carry on soldiers.lol

[kitty1]

kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

do u think that her uncle is gonna announce on national tv that she was half dressed. he says that she was still in her uniform. you can't assume that to mean her entire uniform. the point he was trying to make was that she wasnt home very long because she always changes out of her uniform right away. She didn't get that far.

Okay, you two have been going back and forth on this point. kitty, do you know, FOR A FACT, that Lisa was partially dressed? Did you get that from a family member?

i am family. i was told that she had no shirt on. maybe i misunderstood or they were referring to johnny. i will try to ask again, but some questions are just too sensitive or inappropriate to ask

[Freshbait78]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
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WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

[JsMom]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

who the hell was she talkin to like this? LOL aint she gangsta? LORD this is funny! Whats she gonna do? Bust a cap? lol

[sharit]

kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

do u think that her uncle is gonna announce on national tv that she was half dressed. he says that she was still in her uniform. you can't assume that to mean her entire uniform. the point he was trying to make was that she wasnt home very long because she always changes out of her uniform right away. She didn't get that far.

Okay, you two have been going back and forth on this point. kitty, do you know, FOR A FACT, that Lisa was partially dressed? Did you get that from a family member?

i am family. i was told that she had no shirt on. maybe i misunderstood or they were referring to johnny. i will try to ask again, but some questions are just too sensitive or inappropriate to ask

jc and ls must have parked in driveway and probably left garage door up. perps came in as ls was changing out of her uniform.and shut garage door jmo. and just coincidence tiff calls to see if they are home yet. then give the signal. they are there!JMO! in my heart i feel she is involved,again just MY opinion. you can bet all players are being watched closely. i do not think it was tiffany here posting.jmo

[Freshbait78]

At Js: I xxxx'd out the other peoples names but if you go to her public fb profile & look under recent activity you will see that she commented on someones status.

[JsMom]

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

do u think that her uncle is gonna announce on national tv that she was half dressed. he says that she was still in her uniform. you can't assume that to mean her entire uniform. the point he was trying to make was that she wasnt home very long because she always changes out of her uniform right away. She didn't get that far.

Okay, you two have been going back and forth on this point. kitty, do you know, FOR A FACT, that Lisa was partially dressed? Did you get that from a family member?

i am family. i was told that she had no shirt on. maybe i misunderstood or they were referring to johnny. i will try to ask again, but some questions are just too sensitive or inappropriate to ask

jc and ls must have parked in driveway and probably left garage door up. perps came in as ls was changing out of her uniform.and shut garage door jmo. and just coincidence tiff calls to see if they are home yet. then give the signal. they are there!JMO! in my heart i feel she is involved,again just MY opinion. you can bet all players are being watched closely. i do not think it was tiffany here posting.jmo

IMO~ I know people who know when to talk gangsta and when not to! Just sayin.... IDK

[grey sweat pants]

He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.

[Lady Cop]

He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.

hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.

[kitty1]

He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.

he wouldn't do what? please put the quote in here.

[grey sweat pants]

He wouldn't do that he is also a fire chief and understands how investigations work and how much info to give out. That is why he is speaking for Lisa's family.

hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.

Whoops sorry.

[sharit]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

this is what i have been saying. they knew he was talkin to tiff and she was in on it, why else were they not concerened that help was on the way. cause they knew that down ass bytch was not calling anyone .....for a while. im telling you that was not tiff here posting and i think i know who it was. tiff is in on it. id bet money on that and if she is cleared i will be the first to apologize. untill then she is an accomplis to murder in mind and is only my opinion. and you know a mothers instinct is very strong. did anyone notice in the picture of johny and lisa standing by the ocean, johny has a large tattoo going down his right arm starting at his shoulder MAYTEE going down to his elbow very large letters. tells me he loved his mother very much.JMO

[JsMom]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

this is what i have been saying. they knew he was talkin to tiff and she was in on it, why else were they not concerened that help was on the way. cause they knew that down ass bytch was not calling anyone .....for a while. im telling you that was not tiff here posting and i think i know who it was. tiff is in on it. id bet money on that and if she is cleared i will be the first to apologize. untill then she is an accomplis to murder in mind and is only my opinion. and you know a mothers instinct is very strong. did anyone notice in the picture of johny and lisa standing by the ocean, johny has a large tattoo going down his right arm starting at his shoulder MAYTEE going down to his elbow very large letters. tells me he loved his mother very much.JMO

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement~A mothers instinct is very strong~"Like No Other!!!" This is sooooo sad and sinister! It just eats me up inside! I can not wait until they find WHOMEVER did this! </3 heart shattering!!!! to say the least!

[wanttoknow]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

this is what i have been saying. they knew he was talkin to tiff and she was in on it, why else were they not concerened that help was on the way. cause they knew that down ass bytch was not calling anyone .....for a while. im telling you that was not tiff here posting and i think i know who it was. tiff is in on it. id bet money on that and if she is cleared i will be the first to apologize. untill then she is an accomplis to murder in mind and is only my opinion. and you know a mothers instinct is very strong. did anyone notice in the picture of johny and lisa standing by the ocean, johny has a large tattoo going down his right arm starting at his shoulder MAYTEE going down to his elbow very large letters. tells me he loved his mother very much.JMO

He probably got it when he was 10 yrs old.