Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[trixie]

Has it been specified where Lisa's car was? In the driveway or in the garage?

[Jane]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
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WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

ok, all good points, FB. I've gotten a lot of 'food for thought' with your posts, from the beginning. (not to say I haven't with others) I just posted a response to someone else, about JC being on the phone, when the perps showed up. I can't make heads nor tails of this. Unless, Johnny was heading out the garage door, from the kitchen, while on the phone, & the perps were just THERE, in his face, as he walked out the door. I just don't know. IF the perps were already in the home, hiding, it would seem to me, they'd be crazy to show themselves while JC was on the phone. Right?

[netsleuth]

Gee Whiz!!...this is the second time i see a reference to "she left for 5 years"..I am intrigued and I gotta ask again.....WHERE DID SHE GO?

Did she do time?

[Kip]

hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I think it was there at one point and then removed. Here's a bit from a google search:

Authorities investigate double homicide of young man, woman in ...
Jan 31, 2011... described herself as a longtime friend of 20-year-old Lisa Straub, ... She said Lisa had left a message on her Facebook page sometime ...
www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110131/... - Cached

The cached file is no longer there. The article with that ID# is accessible but no longer contains that part of the story. I wonder if LE asked them to remove it for some reason.

I'm not caught up on a few pages, so forgive me if someone also commented on this, but the reason the articles are not coming up now is because the Toledo Blade reformatted their site yesterday. I don't like the new layout...I can't find anything!!

But almost all of them come up in cached format.

The article ID of the Toledo Blade article is 20110131.

Here's a link to the cached file of that article:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...google.com

That article (#20110131) no longer contains the reference to the friend receiving a Facebook message.

Online articles are frequently updated. For example, a link to a particular article will have a headline about a missing child; click that link a few hours later and the headline is now "Child Found" and the text has completely changed. It's possible that the information was wrong and it was removed; or maybe LE asked that it be removed.

[EastCoastKat]

[Jane]

Glad you posted this. I was thinking last night, maybe he sort of felt sorry for her. If it's true, she left for 5 yrs, while an aunt & uncle took care of him, he probably felt 'torn', in regards to her. I can picture her asking for his forgiveness, crying, etc... as he got older. It could be he really didn't love her so much, as he felt bad for her, her being his mother & all. Just an observation.

I believe that he loved his mother and vise-versa. I'm not sure why some are so reluctant to believe that. We're all flawed. Dysfunctional families (which make up about 90% of US families) have affection for one another too.

I was only speaking from personal experience. No child wants to not love their parents. They'll try to make excuses for them, but deep down, know their parents aren't worth a damn, & try to stay clear of them, as much as they can, without hurting their feelings. Sorry for the OT, lol...

[netsleuth]

I think it's the content of the speech that most matters. I posted some of that content this morning. How you can be on one page wishing Gods blessings on people & then be on another threatning someone, while your 4 months pregnant no less, speaks volumes. Not the slang or slang style of writing.

Whatchoo talkin bout FreshBait?

[netsleuth]

I was only speaking from personal experience. No child wants to not love their parents. They'll try to make excuses for them, but deep down, know their parents aren't worth a damn, & try to stay clear of them, as much as they can, without hurting their feelings. Sorry for the OT, lol...

And most people genuinely love their deeply flawed relatives.

[trixie]

If I remember correctly, I THINK I heard Lisa'a uncle say something like as soon as Lisa gets home from work, she likes to shower and get out of her work clothes, which would make sense why they went home before going to pick up TW. If that's the case, why was she still in her work clothes when they were "walking out the door" to go pick her up? Idk why they went home, just throwing that out there.

[Freshbait78]

I think it's the content of the speech that most matters. I posted some of that content this morning. How you can be on one page wishing Gods blessings on people & then be on another threatning someone, while your 4 months pregnant no less, speaks volumes. Not the slang or slang style of writing.

Whatchoo talkin bout FreshBait?

I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

[onefortheroad]

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

ok, all good points, FB. I've gotten a lot of 'food for thought' with your posts, from the beginning. (not to say I haven't with others) I just posted a response to someone else, about JC being on the phone, when the perps showed up. I can't make heads nor tails of this. Unless, Johnny was heading out the garage door, from the kitchen, while on the phone, & the perps were just THERE, in his face, as he walked out the door. I just don't know. IF the perps were already in the home, hiding, it would seem to me, they'd be crazy to show themselves while JC was on the phone. Right?


[/quote]

It's worth remembering that TW is the ONLY person who knows whether JC was on the phone to her when this went down.

[netsleuth]

I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

[Freshbait78]

The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

ok, all good points, FB. I've gotten a lot of 'food for thought' with your posts, from the beginning. (not to say I haven't with others) I just posted a response to someone else, about JC being on the phone, when the perps showed up. I can't make heads nor tails of this. Unless, Johnny was heading out the garage door, from the kitchen, while on the phone, & the perps were just THERE, in his face, as he walked out the door. I just don't know. IF the perps were already in the home, hiding, it would seem to me, they'd be crazy to show themselves while JC was on the phone. Right?

Exactly right. It would make no sense to confront JC while they hear him on the phone. If they did confront him as he was walking out the door, my whole point is, that they most likely would not want to be taking their good ole sweet time in the home. Ransacking, punching holes in walls, removing pictures from walls, struggling in the downstairs part of the house, tieing up, taping, asphxiating with plastic bags etc & so forth... How much time did ALL of that take & did they want to risk being walked in on someone who was concerned by that last phone call? For all the perps knew (if there was actually that last phone) JC could have been talking to anyone. What if it had been his mother/grandmother/Aunt etc on the phone? Someone who would have taken what he said (reportedly) & been concerned with what was going on?

[netsleuth]

It's worth remembering that TW is the ONLY person who knows whether JC was on the phone to her when this went down.

I hope her phone records are being examined very closely. Texts and phone calls might answer many questions. In fact, if I were TW I'd provide these records, stat! Especially given she can't take a lie detector test.

[browntabby1226]

If I remember correctly, I THINK I heard Lisa'a uncle say something like as soon as Lisa gets home from work, she likes to shower and get out of her work clothes, which would make sense why they went home before going to pick up TW. If that's the case, why was she still in her work clothes when they were "walking out the door" to go pick her up? Idk why they went home, just throwing that out there.

Just a thought Maybe LS was taking her work clothes off and was ambushed then so maybe in the garage or already hiding in the house.It may make sense on JC saying who are you? what are you doing.... If he was really on the phone talking to T. I think your response to walking in on them makes more sense than opening door and they were there.If not expecting something or someone inside it would trigger a startled response.Hope this makes sense to you.

[trixie]

If I remember correctly, I THINK I heard Lisa'a uncle say something like as soon as Lisa gets home from work, she likes to shower and get out of her work clothes, which would make sense why they went home before going to pick up TW. If that's the case, why was she still in her work clothes when they were "walking out the door" to go pick her up? Idk why they went home, just throwing that out there.

Just a thought Maybe LS was taking her work clothes off and was ambushed then so maybe in the garage or already hiding in the house.It may make sense on JC saying who are you? what are you doing.... If he was really on the phone talking to T. I think your response to walking in on them makes more sense than opening door and they were there.If not expecting something or someone inside it would trigger a startled response.Hope this makes sense to you.

Yea. My point was only to prove that TW was lying, that they weren't walking out the door to go get her. I'm still not sure if Lisa was the one without a shirt or Johnny, cause from the 911 tapes (which everything Maytee said was questionable, I know) it sounded like she said he didn't have a shirt on.

[Freshbait78]

I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

LOL I'm a Mom, multitask is my middle name My point was, that she's a 25 year old single mom of 3 with another on the way, who is on FB threatning violence to someone who reports they have brain damage. On the other hand she's on Mock playing nicey nicey & blessing people. Anyone can put on a good show & talk shit, some better than others, but it's the CONTENT of what she says on FB where I believe she's most comfortable with people she knows & her peers, that show her character. I don't believe Tiffanys story thats my opinion & I'm stickin to it

[netsleuth]

Exactly right. It would make no sense to confront JC while they hear him on the phone. If they did confront him as he was walking out the door, my whole point is, that they most likely would not want to be taking their good ole sweet time in the home. Ransacking, punching holes in walls, removing pictures from walls, struggling in the downstairs part of the house, tieing up, taping, asphxiating with plastic bags etc & so forth... How much time did ALL of that take & did they want to risk being walked in on someone who was concerned by that last phone call? For all the perps knew (if there was actually that last phone) JC could have been talking to anyone. What if it had been his mother/grandmother/Aunt etc on the phone? Someone who would have taken what he said (reportedly) & been concerned with what was going on?

Couple that with the statement about someone using the garage to get in and no one else being expected that night.

"we were just going to shoot some pool for a lil bit.no 1 knew we were going to be there and no1 else was coming over"

Again, I remain open minded and realize that everything thus far is circumstantial but the circumstantial (combined with police theories) points in one direction thus far. If TW is innocent, she must be hurting. If she's not, she must be hurting even more knowing she played a role in such a horrendous crime.

[Freshbait78]

If I remember correctly, I THINK I heard Lisa'a uncle say something like as soon as Lisa gets home from work, she likes to shower and get out of her work clothes, which would make sense why they went home before going to pick up TW. If that's the case, why was she still in her work clothes when they were "walking out the door" to go pick her up? Idk why they went home, just throwing that out there.

Just a thought Maybe LS was taking her work clothes off and was ambushed then so maybe in the garage or already hiding in the house.It may make sense on JC saying who are you? what are you doing.... If he was really on the phone talking to T. I think your response to walking in on them makes more sense than opening door and they were there.If not expecting something or someone inside it would trigger a startled response.Hope this makes sense to you.

Yea. My point was only to prove that TW was lying, that they weren't walking out the door to go get her. I'm still not sure if Lisa was the one without a shirt or Johnny, cause from the 911 tapes (which everything Maytee said was questionable, I know) it sounded like she said he didn't have a shirt on.

She did say HE didn't have a shirt on. I transcribed that last 911 phone call shortly after it was released. Which is why I called bullshit on him reportedly walking out the door on the phone. It was bitterly cold that night I remember it clearly because I had class that night & when I got home I told my Mom who was babysitting for me that "It was so cold it hurt" & then I heard the news of this story the next morning.

[netsleuth]

LOL I'm a Mom, multitask is my middle name My point was, that she's a 25 year old single mom of 3 with another on the way, who is on FB threatning violence to someone who reports they have brain damage. On the other hand she's on Mock playing nicey nicey & blessing people. Anyone can put on a good show & talk shit, some better than others, but it's the CONTENT of what she says on FB where I believe she's most comfortable with people she knows & her peers, that show her character. I don't believe Tiffanys story thats my opinion & I'm stickin to it

Gotcha! We're in agreement.