Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[jenjen]

Just a thought, the puppy could have easily torn up the bags into pieces.


Lassie? Rin Tin Tin? to the rescue!

Anybody know the dog's name and if he has a facebook page?

Now that there was toooooo funny!!!!!

[wanttoknow]

THIS GOES OUT TO TIFFANY'S CREW AND ANYONE INVOLVED:

CALL CRIMESTOPPERS OR YOUR LOCAL POLICE, GET THAT $$$ CHECK $$$, CASH IT, PUT THE MONEY IN AN ACCOUNT OF ONE OF YOUR RELATIVES (INCASE YOU END UP HAVING TO DO A LITTLE TIME), AND DO ALL THIS BEFORE THE DNA RESULTS COME BACK AND THE ARREST IS MADE.

YA'LL ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THAT MONEY, HOMIES!!

I was thinking that too. Maybe LE should throw out they have a suspect so they talk while it's still available

[esbee]

TotallyCurious, here at the case links and facts sticky:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4892.html

[seasontickets]

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

they still could have been there seeking the "safe". but imagine...Johnny grabs a knife when he sees the danger and life or death struggle ensues.
i still don't believe murder was the intent. but it escalated. so they used what was at hand, household items.

i may well change my thinking when more details emerge from LE. but that was my initial reaction when it was first reported.

I really believe the killers emulated what they've seen in movies. Particualarly a scene from the movie "Unthinkable" when Samuel L. Jackson's character puts a bag over the head of the person he is questionings head to get him to talk. It's just my gut feeling. I also think it was some local thugs who are connected with however was at that house the night before when they were having the so called "get-to-gether".

[ToledoNative]

THIS GOES OUT TO TIFFANY'S CREW AND ANYONE INVOLVED:

CALL CRIMESTOPPERS OR YOUR LOCAL POLICE, GET THAT $$$ CHECK $$$, CASH IT, PUT THE MONEY IN AN ACCOUNT OF ONE OF YOUR RELATIVES (INCASE YOU END UP HAVING TO DO A LITTLE TIME), AND DO ALL THIS BEFORE THE DNA RESULTS COME BACK AND THE ARREST IS MADE.

YA'LL ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THAT MONEY, HOMIES!!

I was thinking that too. Maybe LE should throw out they have a suspect so they talk while it's still available

They better hurry, and...

DON'T WORRY, WHEN YOU TURN THE KILLERS IN, THEY ARE GOING AWAY FOREVER, NO NEED TO FEAR

[curious]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

[stoof725]

stoof725..perhaps you have missed all the times i said not to post the names of people not connected to this case directly. i just edited them out.

OOf!!! im sorry!!!!!!!!

[seasontickets]

Zero: That post was back on Feb 21.......I had my hopes up that we would have something besides speculation and Facebook probes.....
LC can you blame us for gettin antsie?




nope, i'm going batshit crazy too. but i have other cases i watch to keep me occupied.

May I ask which other cases you're following...i'm certain they will interest me as well given the complexity and brilliant execution of this here thread!

8 pages of cases. and more daily.

thanks.

http://mockforums.net/forum-21-page-1.html

I just posted a floor plan of the Straub residence from the Lucas County Auditors website that shows there is in fact a basement.

Thank you for that; I couldn't get any results when I plugged in the address. If you wouldn't mind, could you post the other floors of the house for reference?

Instead using the address use the lastname, Straub, make sure you have it set to name instead of address. Once it loads scroll down until you see Longacre Lane and you can see all of the information and photos of the residence.

[TotallyCurious]

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

they still could have been there seeking the "safe". but imagine...Johnny grabs a knife when he sees the danger and life or death struggle ensues.
i still don't believe murder was the intent. but it escalated. so they used what was at hand, household items.

i may well change my thinking when more details emerge from LE. but that was my initial reaction when it was first reported.

I really believe the killers emulated what they've seen in movies. Particualarly a scene from the movie "Unthinkable" when Samuel L. Jackson's character puts a bag over the head of the person he is questionings head to get him to talk. It's just my gut feeling. I also think it was some local thugs who are connected with however was at that house the night before when they were having the so called "get-to-gether".

Whatever the reason, I truly believe it backs right up to a plan
by Mama. "I should have not let him go. I should have gone myself."
No tears. Certifiably sociopathic. No one is talking--- feeling like they
are in a hopeless situation. Something is wrong, really wrong in
HollandMaumee/Sylvania/LucasCounty.

[curious]

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

You're leaving out one "key" element...central security documents...IMO means the perps were already in the house

[seasontickets]

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

You're leaving out one "key" element...central security documents...IMO means the perps were already in the house

Actually it's possible Johnny and/or Lisa had the documents out prior looking for the safe themselves. Or the Straubs left it out for Lisa as reference how to set the alarm. Just a thought.

[seasontickets]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

They collect welfare from the taxpayers of Lucas County.

[Lady Cop]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

They collect welfare from the taxpayers of Lucas County.

is that a fact or opinion? link?

[seasontickets]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

They collect welfare from the taxpayers of Lucas County.

is that a fact or opinion? link?

I'm sorry it's just an educated guess. They both are felons, so it's very unlikely they are employed by any corporate employers. If they do work it is for a small business owner making close to minimum wage. They have two juvenile children so I am sure if they do not make over $25k annually they are recieving some kind of financial assistance from the local government. I could check with some of my resources to see if they know anyone who works at the welfare office but I wasn't trying to infringe upone anyones rights. So it with that said, it's an opinion.

[ToledoNative]

Just saw the pic of Tiffany's current thesis-writing stud. It says, "Stop Snitching".

Here's a thought...stop doing stupid shit and people won't be able to snitch on you.

I've seen successful drug dealers. I know someone who was in the game for over 10 years making paper, selling and not getting caught.

What makes a successful drug dealer? They are the ones who do inconvenient things for a drug dealer to do, such as, never selling out of their home, only selling to people they know really well, actually working a real job, etc.

Now, I will tell you what smart drug dealers and dumb drug dealers have in common...they get caught. You will get caught.

Why would people stop snitching? You are getting in the way of THEIR paper.

[esbee]

I just posted a floor plan of the Straub residence from the Lucas County Auditors website that shows there is in fact a basement.

Thank you for that; I couldn't get any results when I plugged in the address. If you wouldn't mind, could you post the other floors of the house for reference?

Instead using the address use the lastname, Straub, make sure you have it set to name instead of address. Once it loads scroll down until you see Longacre Lane and you can see all of the information and photos of the residence.

Thank you.

[ToledoNative]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

They collect welfare from the taxpayers of Lucas County.

is that a fact or opinion? link?

Someone said Maytee is a well known psychic and they know people who use her. I know I would pay Maytee to read my tea leaves.

I'm sorry it's just an educated guess. They both are felons, so it's very unlikely they are employed by any corporate employers. If they do work it is for a small business owner making close to minimum wage. They have two juvenile children so I am sure if they do not make over $25k annually they are recieving some kind of financial assistance from the local government. I could check with some of my resources to see if they know anyone who works at the welfare office but I wasn't trying to infringe upone anyones rights. So it with that said, it's an opinion.

[Miss Conspiracy]

Well I had written up my theory but I lost it somehow! my luck, of course! lol Anyway, I think the post by "Grieving Friend" held A LOT of information and the two common denominators in all of this - Mr. Z and Ms T. According to GF (Grieving Friend), earlier that very night, Mr. Z was calling around trying to illicit money from GF's mom. Now let's go back a little bit to what Tiff said here.

She had been to LS house twice before - with Mr. Z. She seemed to be hanging out A LOT with Mr. Z lately, so much that Mr. Z's mom thought the two were dating. Also, according to Mr. Z's mom, he was in very bad shape, in withdrawal from percocets. This is something I have been thinking:

Tiffany was at Mr. Z's house on this night. According to Tiff (she said this here at Mock), hanging out with JC/LS was not planned in advance, it was a spontaneous invite from JC/LS that night while they were talking on the phone. My question is, why was Tiff talking to LS on the phone in the first place (my opinion: the drugs/percs)? During the conversation is when JC/LS supposedly invited Tiff over. However, what about Mr. Z, who invited him? By Tiff's own words she was going to go with Mr.Z, but this was a spontaneous invite, so when did she have a chance to talk to Mr. Z about going over to LS house? And what was his mode of transportation to get there? - this leads me to believe Tiff and Mr. Z were together - at his house. At the time of this call.

The mom, who is mentioned in Grieving Friend's post, is the very mom that Tiff talked about here, her words she "woke my friend's (Z's) mom up, and used her car" to get to the residence.I believe they weren't waiting for a ride, they just went ahead and took Z's mom's car and went to the house.

Tiffany and Z go over to the house, however, the police state there were NO footprints. that's because, they did go through the garage, since they know very well how to get into the house through the garage. Could Mr.Z have gone in through the garage at that point, and THIS is when everything went down. REMEMBER, Tiff's cell phone records will STILL SHOW that she talked to JC/LS earlier that night, and I believe she made the "who are you, what are you doing here" story to cover herself, however, that conversation never took place. It was just the regular convo about drugs, and being invited to the house, and possibly told by JC that he had drugs at the house to do/sell. At this point, Z is broke and needs money, wants money and/or drugs, and knows just where to get it (JC/LS house - he knows how nice the house is, that the parents are out, and that JC has drugs/money). Remember, he ~allegedly~ tried to illicit money from someone else earlier that night, and also supposedly stole a cell phone and laptop afterward - this kid was desperate.

SOMETHING went down at the house between Z and JC. that's what I believe. I'm not entirely sure Tiff was involved physically. She might have been present, she might not have even entered the home. Perhaps it all started friendly, with them all hanging out, but at this point it sounds like Z was a little out of control (coming off withdrawal). He had no money to buy the percs. JC had the percs, but he was not willing to share without getting payment. This is when I think a confrontation/fight/struggle broke out. Because Z wanted the percs, but had no money, he went after JC for it. I don't believe Lisa was present at the time, but was probably upstairs about to change, when she hears the struggle and comes down. At this time, Z has already overpowered JC. Yes, you may be thinking JC is a big guy and how can Z overpower him? I'm certain JC had NO idea his friend would attack him, and I believe it was a suprise attack. By then he has already subdued JC when Lisa enters. She freaks, so Z immediately hits LS with an object (causing the bleeding to her head) so that she doesn't get away so quickly. She's next to get tied up, and get the bag.

NONE of this was planned! Things escalated, a fight broke out for one reason or another, things just got out of control (i blame The First 48 for me thinking this too lol! many murders involving drugs are unexpected/escalated/unplanned!). The reason it took soo long for them to contact someone, anyone, else.. was because they were THERE and the struggle took quiet a while. So you might ask, why didn't they just take off and act like nothing ever happened instead of calling attention to themselves? Because the PHONE records would SHOW that a) Tiff talked to JC/LS and b) the pings would put them at the house. They had to explain that, right? The story of Tiff calling and hearing the struggle is FALSE! This was, as LC said, a red herring, to both cover the phone call as well as point LE into thinking the assailants were UNKNOWN to the victims.

They called Sharita FROM LS house, as all reports show. Because again, they had BEEN there all along. Tiff's story about how she got worried after an hour of not hearing back from JC is FALSE! she had to explain that time (the time of the struggle) away, and that's the story she is using. If her story was true about her going to the house to check up on them after not hearing from them, where were her footprints? She went up to the front door, according to her, not the garage, so wouldn't she have left footprints?

I believe when they originally went to the house, the garage door was open, they parked inside and closed the garage door. They also exited the garage and closed it, Which explains when the cops go there they saw nothing (no footprints because T/Z went in thru the garage).

From then on, I believe the stories in the news are true. Tiff goes and picks up the dad and we all know the rest. I want to know though, was Mr.Z also there when she went to pick up the father? That would say A LOT. If he was there too, that would back up my theory that they both went to the home originally and never left.

If anyone can find any holes in my scenario above PLEASE let me know! This all came to me in one night, after reading 300+ pages here on this case. What really set my flag off was, what was the COMMON denominator throughout this whole things? That is Mr. Z (who hasn't been talked about as much) and Ms. T. I could be TOTALLY wrong and OFF BASE and I have not thought of any loopholes that there can be yet.

The only thing I can think of us Tiff's claims that she called JC back right away and texted LS a few times right after she supposedly heard the struggle. That would be hard for me to explain away as to why she would be sending concerned texts to Lisa. I would really want to see if there is proof of these calls/texts from Tiff right after the inital phone call.

Again just wanted to reiterate that this was a totally unexpected event, and because Tiff is a DOWN ASS BITCH, she is not going to snitch on Mr. Z, regardless of if it was intentional or not. Plus of course the fact that she was involved (again, I honestly don't think she expect what happened, to happen)

[ToledoNative]

Does anyone know Maytee and John, Sr. profession???

They collect welfare from the taxpayers of Lucas County.

is that a fact or opinion? link?

Someone said Maytee is a well known psychic and they know people who use her. I know I would pay Maytee to read my tea leaves.

I'm sorry it's just an educated guess. They both are felons, so it's very unlikely they are employed by any corporate employers. If they do work it is for a small business owner making close to minimum wage. They have two juvenile children so I am sure if they do not make over $25k annually they are recieving some kind of financial assistance from the local government. I could check with some of my resources to see if they know anyone who works at the welfare office but I wasn't trying to infringe upone anyones rights. So it with that said, it's an opinion.

Oops. That was supposed to be under the quote...

Someone said Maytee is a well known psychic and they know people who use her. I know I would pay Maytee to read my tea leaves

[TotallyCurious]

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

You're leaving out one "key" element...central security documents...IMO means the perps were already in the house

One more key element - the finders (John and ?0 had to retrieve something from
Johnny, plant something or be assured something was not there prior to the arrival of official law enforcment Tears and climbing and weeping over the child is an easy act to go through pockets and check spots or plant something. I am
quite convinced.

Even in simple fires we see people doing this to have
one last bit of control over the scene before it is turned over to LE.
Them - 'We're really scared this fire may blow up.......when it shouldn't
but aha our secret people movers in the frey discover there is a rigged
steel case in the lower basement with a million dollars and treasures
from a major catastrophy buried." But pease....dont let the firemen
go and dont let them stand there...panic. Oh how often it happens.