Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

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SOMEBODY has to know something!!! Locals, what are you hearing?

I've heard rumors it was AP.

You are not alone.....looks like someone called crimestoppers a while back and Jane was able to snag a copy of his distain.

- Jane - 02-13-2011 03:08 AM

AG just posted this, 3 minutes ago, on Facebook

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me? all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need

to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....very sad but we

do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that...... whatever u call a person

that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

Since his wall is private, I assume you're a FB friend. Be cautious. Keep it comin', though and copy the cops.

[DickTracy]

zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."

i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.

p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?

yo!! Justsayin..
u got da talk down..lol....

Here is that video where Maytee explains with her hands the way the tape was on her son and the remnants left in a bag near the body. Can you give me an opinion why there are no tears streaming down from her eyes. I have lost someone dear to me and the last thing I could hide were my tears.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

That was the video that a few of us found rather unsettling. There are no tears. She seems distraught but no tears. Really strange. And at the end she says, "There is no apologizing for what you have done to my son." That's the understatement of the century. Apologizing??? Does anyone find that a super weird choice of words?

Regarding the bags: Anyone violently attacks and duct tapes two people up and puts plastic bags over their heads, THEY MEAN TO KILL, PERIOD. To even entertain any other idea is not right, to put it mildly. Whoever did this is/are psychopaths. I still stand by premeditated murder, too. This was not an afterthought.

Havent you ever cried so much that the tears quit coming but your body, so to speak is still crying? Its happened to me...
Plus, what about a mother wanting justice, and knowing that she has to pull herself together enough to be able to get this out to the public.
I see her in this video as a mom fighting for her son, and justice.

She also has two other sons to look after as well. How do you explain to them they lost their big brother? When I lost my brother, my mom didn't cry much, she felt she needed to be the strong one for the rest of my family.

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Without any word from LE I find myself questioning everything. I'm looking at fb pages of people that have nothing to do with it except being a fb friend of a friend. I hope something is said soon.

I can relate, lol.

[imsuchawildflower]

And then, she makes 2 trips driving by and ringing the doorbell...in her car. She also was supposedly in the process of telling JC not to come get her right then, she needed to run to the store first. What was the purpose of them picking her up if she had access to a car and/or rides all through the night and wee hours?

Yeah she definitely has been caught in many lies, too many for her to be completely innocent. I don't trust her at all.

Really hope LE is getting somewhere.

Her fb page is full of that fake ass gangsta text talk...and all of a sudden after this happens, all she talks about it her "love" (current bf) and her 3 kids and the one on the way. I find it weird. Like shes playing a part now. No doubt she is a pretty girl, but definitely something inside has gone haywire.
Ive listened to those 911 tapes over and again...so much hesitating and bumbling answers.
Maytee comes off as a scared mom trying to convince someone to help her. In case no one has posted this, she is a psychic and holistic healer. To me, since I do believe is psychic ability, that would explain the gut feeling. But as a mother, sometimes you are very connected with your children and you just know when something isnt right, whether its a lie or something bigger.
So many drops in the bucket for all sides here.

[imsuchawildflower]

yo!! Justsayin..
u got da talk down..lol....

Here is that video where Maytee explains with her hands the way the tape was on her son and the remnants left in a bag near the body. Can you give me an opinion why there are no tears streaming down from her eyes. I have lost someone dear to me and the last thing I could hide were my tears.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

That was the video that a few of us found rather unsettling. There are no tears. She seems distraught but no tears. Really strange. And at the end she says, "There is no apologizing for what you have done to my son." That's the understatement of the century. Apologizing??? Does anyone find that a super weird choice of words?

Regarding the bags: Anyone violently attacks and duct tapes two people up and puts plastic bags over their heads, THEY MEAN TO KILL, PERIOD. To even entertain any other idea is not right, to put it mildly. Whoever did this is/are psychopaths. I still stand by premeditated murder, too. This was not an afterthought.

Havent you ever cried so much that the tears quit coming but your body, so to speak is still crying? Its happened to me...
Plus, what about a mother wanting justice, and knowing that she has to pull herself together enough to be able to get this out to the public.
I see her in this video as a mom fighting for her son, and justice.

She also has two other sons to look after as well. How do you explain to them they lost their big brother? When I lost my brother, my mom didn't cry much, she felt she needed to be the strong one for the rest of my family.

Absolutely! In most homes, its the mother that keeps everyone together, that is the strength of the home. I do know she posts about the brothers being so sad and distraught...I think you are so right on that one.

[imsuchawildflower]

Without any word from LE I find myself questioning everything. I'm looking at fb pages of people that have nothing to do with it except being a fb friend of a friend. I hope something is said soon.

I can relate, lol.

Yeah, Ive turned into a stalker. Totally sucks.

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Storm: Oooooooh! Do you mean that we can link to VD & B, and all of the other people's FB & MySpace pages as long we don't write their names? In other words, all links are fine, just not names?




RELEVANT facebook links. principals. parties to case. not mothers of named people (Tiffany), friends of friends, i do not know how much clearer i can be. people who are named in mainstream media and by LE. not everyone else in their circle.

Shit, I just realized who Storm was. You keep addressing "Storm" and I would think who the fuck is Storm? Shit, I finally figured it out.

well it was either Shit or SS for short!

haha, feel free to call me shitty

[imsuchawildflower]

This person will not join us. She is greiving in much the same manner as Mr. and Mrs. Straub. I just wanted to pass along the information.

While in the shower earlier I was thinking about what recent movies came out where a person put a bag over someones head to get them to talk. That movie I believe was "Unthinkable" I believe. If I were LE I would contact the local video stores and see who rented that movie in the last few months. Just a thought.

The Life of David Gale...and it also involves keys...just a thought.

[TotallyCurious]

But the Cuban mother and father are in the very vortex of this debacle,
whether they know it or know or realize it or not. It may take
them awhile to process it unfortunately. Sad, so sad.

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SOMEBODY has to know something!!! Locals, what are you hearing?

I've heard rumors it was AP.

Important! someone help my memory. is AP the army and Iraq veteran? was he also one of the 475 entertainment with the snitch clothing? who had the snitch tat? he is tiff's bf correct? (sorry I lost track at prof plum in the billiards room with the candle stick)

if this wasn't first a hit with the robbery as only 2^nd thought, then it was a robbery that ended in murder. so what sends it to the level of such a sadisitic murder? assume the bags were to carry the loot. the tape to tape up the victims. But then Johnny stabbed them. that pissed off the mentally sickest of the crew that said fuck no I'll show you. who of the group that have been listed here seems the most evil?

I think original plan was tape them up, take their shit, tiff shows up later as a hero to let them out of the tape. the murders left garage door up so tiff could enter. she goes in and sees it went very wrong, starts to panick as well as get her story staight.

any thougts. I know its just bs guessing but without a presser I have nothing else to do. I have to admit, being that I live in the area this has spooked me. I don't think I have let my doors be unlocked for one second since this happened. course it doesn't help to sit here and read this and think about it all day. just reinforces the spooked feeling. keep looking over my shoulder in my own home.

AP lists the M'P'Y as his brother. He's the one you're thinking of.

Your scenario sounds pretty damn plausible but I think they went with the intention of killing, at least, Johnny.

[imsuchawildflower]

Well I had written up my theory but I lost it somehow! my luck, of course! lol Anyway, I think the post by "Grieving Friend" held A LOT of information and the two common denominators in all of this - Mr. Z and Ms T. According to GF (Grieving Friend), earlier that very night, Mr. Z was calling around trying to illicit money from GF's mom. Now let's go back a little bit to what Tiff said here.

She had been to LS house twice before - with Mr. Z. She seemed to be hanging out A LOT with Mr. Z lately, so much that Mr. Z's mom thought the two were dating. Also, according to Mr. Z's mom, he was in very bad shape, in withdrawal from percocets. This is something I have been thinking:

Tiffany was at Mr. Z's house on this night. According to Tiff (she said this here at Mock), hanging out with JC/LS was not planned in advance, it was a spontaneous invite from JC/LS that night while they were talking on the phone. My question is, why was Tiff talking to LS on the phone in the first place (my opinion: the drugs/percs)? During the conversation is when JC/LS supposedly invited Tiff over. However, what about Mr. Z, who invited him? By Tiff's own words she was going to go with Mr.Z, but this was a spontaneous invite, so when did she have a chance to talk to Mr. Z about going over to LS house? And what was his mode of transportation to get there? - this leads me to believe Tiff and Mr. Z were together - at his house. At the time of this call.

The mom, who is mentioned in Grieving Friend's post, is the very mom that Tiff talked about here, her words she "woke my friend's (Z's) mom up, and used her car" to get to the residence.I believe they weren't waiting for a ride, they just went ahead and took Z's mom's car and went to the house.

Tiffany and Z go over to the house, however, the police state there were NO footprints. that's because, they did go through the garage, since they know very well how to get into the house through the garage. Could Mr.Z have gone in through the garage at that point, and THIS is when everything went down. REMEMBER, Tiff's cell phone records will STILL SHOW that she talked to JC/LS earlier that night, and I believe she made the "who are you, what are you doing here" story to cover herself, however, that conversation never took place. It was just the regular convo about drugs, and being invited to the house, and possibly told by JC that he had drugs at the house to do/sell. At this point, Z is broke and needs money, wants money and/or drugs, and knows just where to get it (JC/LS house - he knows how nice the house is, that the parents are out, and that JC has drugs/money). Remember, he ~allegedly~ tried to illicit money from someone else earlier that night, and also supposedly stole a cell phone and laptop afterward - this kid was desperate.

SOMETHING went down at the house between Z and JC. that's what I believe. I'm not entirely sure Tiff was involved physically. She might have been present, she might not have even entered the home. Perhaps it all started friendly, with them all hanging out, but at this point it sounds like Z was a little out of control (coming off withdrawal). He had no money to buy the percs. JC had the percs, but he was not willing to share without getting payment. This is when I think a confrontation/fight/struggle broke out. Because Z wanted the percs, but had no money, he went after JC for it. I don't believe Lisa was present at the time, but was probably upstairs about to change, when she hears the struggle and comes down. At this time, Z has already overpowered JC. Yes, you may be thinking JC is a big guy and how can Z overpower him? I'm certain JC had NO idea his friend would attack him, and I believe it was a suprise attack. By then he has already subdued JC when Lisa enters. She freaks, so Z immediately hits LS with an object (causing the bleeding to her head) so that she doesn't get away so quickly. She's next to get tied up, and get the bag.

NONE of this was planned! Things escalated, a fight broke out for one reason or another, things just got out of control (i blame The First 48 for me thinking this too lol! many murders involving drugs are unexpected/escalated/unplanned!). The reason it took soo long for them to contact someone, anyone, else.. was because they were THERE and the struggle took quiet a while. So you might ask, why didn't they just take off and act like nothing ever happened instead of calling attention to themselves? Because the PHONE records would SHOW that a) Tiff talked to JC/LS and b) the pings would put them at the house. They had to explain that, right? The story of Tiff calling and hearing the struggle is FALSE! This was, as LC said, a red herring, to both cover the phone call as well as point LE into thinking the assailants were UNKNOWN to the victims.

They called Sharita FROM LS house, as all reports show. Because again, they had BEEN there all along. Tiff's story about how she got worried after an hour of not hearing back from JC is FALSE! she had to explain that time (the time of the struggle) away, and that's the story she is using. If her story was true about her going to the house to check up on them after not hearing from them, where were her footprints? She went up to the front door, according to her, not the garage, so wouldn't she have left footprints?

I believe when they originally went to the house, the garage door was open, they parked inside and closed the garage door. They also exited the garage and closed it, Which explains when the cops go there they saw nothing (no footprints because T/Z went in thru the garage).

From then on, I believe the stories in the news are true. Tiff goes and picks up the dad and we all know the rest. I want to know though, was Mr.Z also there when she went to pick up the father? That would say A LOT. If he was there too, that would back up my theory that they both went to the home originally and never left.

If anyone can find any holes in my scenario above PLEASE let me know! This all came to me in one night, after reading 300+ pages here on this case. What really set my flag off was, what was the COMMON denominator throughout this whole things? That is Mr. Z (who hasn't been talked about as much) and Ms. T. I could be TOTALLY wrong and OFF BASE and I have not thought of any loopholes that there can be yet.

The only thing I can think of us Tiff's claims that she called JC back right away and texted LS a few times right after she supposedly heard the struggle. That would be hard for me to explain away as to why she would be sending concerned texts to Lisa. I would really want to see if there is proof of these calls/texts from Tiff right after the inital phone call.

Again just wanted to reiterate that this was a totally unexpected event, and because Tiff is a DOWN ASS BITCH, she is not going to snitch on Mr. Z, regardless of if it was intentional or not. Plus of course the fact that she was involved (again, I honestly don't think she expect what happened, to happen)

I know I read somewhere that there were no footprints because the snow had melted off the driveway and walkways...

[SayWhat123]

Ok but what if you received a phone call from your sons friend saying she was on the phone with him when some one comes in and he says "who are you what do you want". That he was suppose to pick her up ect. ? I mean I'm sure she at least had some knowledge of the shit he was into. Im just saying I think her reaction was normal. Her behavior now on the other hand I think the lady is wacked. I still dont think she was involved. JMO!

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I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what SCAM Johnny's parents tried to pull on
the Straubs. Oh, would I love to know.

if true.
there was a civil suit i think, but i cannot substantiate it.

Where did you hear that?

from one of my snitches. so i don't personally stand by it.

Oh, you have snitches on this case, eh? Good to know. I hope they're talking to the local cops, too.

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I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what SCAM Johnny's parents tried to pull on
the Straubs. Oh, would I love to know.

if true.
there was a civil suit i think, but i cannot substantiate it.

Where did you hear that?

I know a friend of the family.

Do you know anything about the nature of the alleged shakedown?

[imsuchawildflower]

Ok but what if you received a phone call from your sons friend saying she was on the phone with him when some one comes in and he says "who are you what do you want". That he was suppose to pick her up ect. ? I mean I'm sure she at least had some knowledge of the shit he was into. Im just saying I think her reaction was normal. Her behavior now on the other hand I think the lady is wacked. I still dont think she was involved. JMO!

Neither do I. Directly NOR indirectly.

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looks like Elvis/Dick has left the building.

most garages have door into house. usually to the kitchen. i think they were jumped there by people coming from garage.
and/or Johnny went for a knife in kitchen.

Naw I'm still here.

I think both victims were in another room when the murderers entered the house, if in fact the master bedroom showed signs of a struggle that is more than likely where they were found they were moved to the kitchen for what reason is anyones guess at this point.

but my gut feeling is that they were taken to someone else who was waiting in the kitchen that person is the one who had the beef with one or both of the victims and was also responsible for the plastic bags, questions and answers to one while the other was being suffocated.

The alarm instructions were left out by the parents for the daughter, she just didn't use it while she was home.

I agree about the alarm instructions. Killers don't read alarm instructions after they're already in the house.

Interesting idea about them upstairs.

[imsuchawildflower]

This person will not join us. She is greiving in much the same manner as Mr. and Mrs. Straub. I just wanted to pass along the information.

While in the shower earlier I was thinking about what recent movies came out where a person put a bag over someones head to get them to talk. That movie I believe was "Unthinkable" I believe. If I were LE I would contact the local video stores and see who rented that movie in the last few months. Just a thought.

The Life of David Gale...and it also involves keys...just a thought.

The more I think about it...the less I think its this movie. Although it involves handcuff keys and plastic bags, I think this movie requires a more educated audience than what we are dealing with here...Nevermind. LOL

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I'm sorry I quoted the wrong post.

Shit happens. Just ask Storm.

lol

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I'm sorry I quoted the wrong post.

hahaha, I thought you'd get out the taser

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So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.

Where did you hear there was a basement? And don't say Maytee told you

lol, well Maytee DID tell the 911 dispatcher that Johnny was tied up, in the basement ?

I've always wondered if her cousin, who saw them through the window, may have said something to Maytee like, "I looked DOWN and saw them..." and Maytee assumed basement. Later Maytee described the cousin looking DOWN through the blinds. I'm sure it was utter madness in those moments :(