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(02-25-2011, 02:06 AM)c-bus Wrote: My opinion only...I believe johnny and lisa partied and used some drugs. Johnny may have dealt in some small time drugs because of the crowd they was in and it was easy to get rid of the small amount that he may have been fronted. If he indeed owed the wrong people money they may have died behind the debt. I do not believe he was dealing big time or he would have had his own car and his girl would not have been a waitress(she would have been focusing on school). On he other hand drugs do bad things to people and maybe someone close to them wanted what they had or thought they had. Toledo has some gangsters but I do not believe TW is a real one. She's lost and she definitely runs with the wrong crowd and really I believe that's all she knows. I believe her group wants to be gangsters but really they are thugs. Gangsters wouldn't kill their frIends over some pills but thugs do what ever to get what they want.
I share your feelings...that's very much the feel I've been getting from hearing about all involved...
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(02-25-2011, 02:08 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I mean they caught the killer in regards to the couple that were shot in the back of their heads , they say it was drug related the male that was killed, the woman was killed they stated in the article because she was a witness
so so sad....
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I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO
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(02-25-2011, 02:08 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I mean they caught the killer in regards to the couple that were shot in the back of their heads , they say it was drug related the male that was killed, the woman was killed they stated in the article because she was a witness
I am not sure if it has been mentioned, I have read all the post but could have missed this somewhere, the female victim was friends with the accused killer on facebook. 
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TIFF was just charged with false info to LE in oct! Yes after looking at her mom I'm sure her childhood was hell, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore her current behavior and blindly believe what she says is fact. I don't know if she is involved or not, but b/c of her current behavior (current being 5 years to now) I have to at least question everything she says.
Part of what storm is getting at I think is that society must stop the pity party. It must stop saying "we will ignore your current behavior and give you the benefit of the doubt because your childhood made you like this. you get extra special treatment b/c we failed you in the past, even though you on your own are a drag on society now as an adult" I hate to be a prick, but to fuckin' bad. Adult, is the key here. responsible for your own actions. we all had something in our childhood that was fucked up. they need to shut the fuck up and get over it and get themselves and decide to do something with themselves. Yea, it will be hard, and yea, they will have to work to make it happen. thats real life. just part of the social contract. The easiest first step is stay away from the shit bags that are not going any where.
BTW I find it very scary that iraq vet didn't get the gansta slapped out of him when he served. usually the military really sets people straight. hence the boot camp style of juvi reform camps.
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You'd think she'd (TW) grow up and straighten out for her childrens sake. I'm afraid the cycle will never be broken with some families... so sad
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Exactly, On top of all that they plaster the shit all over their facebook, Open for all to see. Dont you think if their parents gave a shit they would have at least tryed to put a stop to it? I Guess not being they were to fucking busy building their own resume.....or should I say rap sheet. Im just saying it has a lot to do with the parenting. I fought my kids all the way, and you better believe they hated my guts. Not saying they didnt find their share of trouble like most kids, but they knew if I found out their ass was grass.
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You sound like you were (are) a great parent...I have no doubt...I would like to think my husband and I were too however there are so many zillions of factors...the "luck of the draw", biological, the kids individual "perceptions", etc. that I don't really think we can accept the "credit or the blame" of how our adult children turn out (except of course if we were total degenerates)...I'm talking about reasonable people who try their best to provide essential, food, shelter, love, guidence, value education, etc....
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By looking at Johnny's physique (wowsers- he was such a well built young man) and evidence of a struggle - I would say at least 3 strong men had to subdue him...
I remembered a case where 3 were tied up and murdered years ago and not even a glass was tipped over...when the creep confessed he said he told the victims "if you just let me tie you up" the maid will find you in the morning (was in hotel) and "no one will get hurt"...and they willingly went and lied down on the bed and even lifted their hands for the
bast--d to tie them up...then he shot them in their heads. I thought initially maybe they did that to Johnny and Lisa but then evidence of quite a struggle...Johnny must have really gone down fighting...God bless them both...
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(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
is that Lisa on the bottom 2 nd from left?
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(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
That looks like it could be Tiffany right behind Lisa if that is Lisa on the bottom row - 2 nd from left...
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(02-25-2011, 10:21 AM)Barbara Wrote: (02-25-2011, 02:08 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I mean they caught the killer in regards to the couple that were shot in the back of their heads , they say it was drug related the male that was killed, the woman was killed they stated in the article because she was a witness
I am not sure if it has been mentioned, I have read all the post but could have missed this somewhere, the female victim was friends with the accused killer on facebook.
Are u talking about the LS and JC case cuz u quoted the other case in Ohio?
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Part of what storm is getting at I think is that society must stop the pity party. It must stop saying "we will ignore your current behavior and give you the benefit of the doubt because your childhood made you like this. you get extra special treatment b/c we failed you in the past, even though you on your own are a drag on society now as an adult" I hate to be a prick, but to fuckin' bad. Adult, is the key here. responsible for your own actions. we all had something in our childhood that was fucked up. they need to shut the fuck up and get over it and get themselves and decide to do something with themselves. Yea, it will be hard, and yea, they will have to work to make it happen. thats real life. just part of the social contract. The easiest first step is stay away from the shit bags that are not going any where.
BTW I find it very scary that iraq vet didn't get the gansta slapped out of him when he served. usually the military really sets people straight. hence the boot camp style of juvi reform camps.
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You're right...make a lot of sense...
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(02-24-2011, 02:46 PM)DCTim Wrote: I learned from a VERY reliable source today that LE knows who the perps were. Suffice to say that some of the recent contributors here were right on the mark.
I think what they're waiting for is DNA evidence to be returned before any arrests are made.
Sadly, what we have heard about LS being tortured is evidently correct. Worse than we've read here I'm told.
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I realize we're all very interested in this case and are starved for information. However, I'm reluctant to be any more specific out of fear of compromising the investigation.
I think it's safe to say that you and your family can go to sleep unconcerned. This was not random; this was about JC.
Horrible, poor LS, all she did was love the wrong guy, and paid for it dearly, more dearly than we may ever know! I have always believed this had something to do with JC and his "old neighborhood connections" and possibly M P Y too, because of the sadistic mode of killing. My husband told me that a lot of gang members that do military, come back into the neighborhoods and teach the other gang members techniques they learned in the war zones, something I was unaware of...
May they both get the justice they deserve, and it is good to know that LE knows who the perps were, those steak knives must have had a lot more to do with it...and I hope one of the perps left some dna behind to convict with and I hope they go for the death penalty, isn't there a death penalty statute in Ohio if it's more than one person?
OMG just imagine, if they tortured LS and made JC watch. When will kids learn that there are REAL payers out there who are sociopaths (especially what they did to Lisa!) and they don't play around, and that in the pursuit of illegal drugs+illegal money you will wind up in jail or or worse yet dead!
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(02-25-2011, 10:08 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: (02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
Yep, and look who is standing right behind Lisa....geez, and I recognize a couple of other faces in there too...
can u pm me the link too? I've done a shit ton of facebook stalking over the last couple of days and I haven't run into this pic either!
I wonder if LIsa's parents are now getting the real drift of who her b/f was and what his so called friends were all about. so sad.so so sad.
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(02-25-2011, 10:45 AM)pspence Wrote: (02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
That looks like it could be Tiffany right behind Lisa if that is Lisa on the bottom row - 2nd from left...
Yes, Lisa and right behind her Tiffany...
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(02-25-2011, 10:21 AM)Butterfly Girl Wrote: TIFF was just charged with false info to LE in oct! Yes after looking at her mom I'm sure her childhood was hell, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore her current behavior and blindly believe what she says is fact. I don't know if she is involved or not, but b/c of her current behavior (current being 5 years to now) I have to at least question everything she says.
Part of what storm is getting at I think is that society must stop the pity party. It must stop saying "we will ignore your current behavior and give you the benefit of the doubt because your childhood made you like this. you get extra special treatment b/c we failed you in the past, even though you on your own are a drag on society now as an adult" I hate to be a prick, but to fuckin' bad. Adult, is the key here. responsible for your own actions. we all had something in our childhood that was fucked up. they need to shut the fuck up and get over it and get themselves and decide to do something with themselves. Yea, it will be hard, and yea, they will have to work to make it happen. thats real life. just part of the social contract. The easiest first step is stay away from the shit bags that are not going any where.
BTW I find it very scary that iraq vet didn't get the gansta slapped out of him when he served. usually the military really sets people straight. hence the boot camp style of juvi reform camps.
You'd think she'd (TW) grow up and straighten out for her childrens sake. I'm afraid the cycle will never be broken with some families... so sad
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Perhaps Tiff could get an apartment of her own, away from the gang,
and ask for some psychological assistance. It is possible she
has Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome from the violent death of
her boyfriend. If this was the love of her life, she could be in a
real tailspin. Also, if she could just try to get off drugs, life would
look differently and she would see beauty in raising her children
and living a nice calm life. I am particularly worried about
birthing children whose moms have been on drugs. The rate of
failure to thrive and delayed learning is so great.
I would encourage the MEN of the group to start taking
care of their women who are bearing their children and
demand that the girls TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
Just a humble opinion.
Good Luck Tiff....You have it in you to do it!
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(02-25-2011, 01:40 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: (02-16-2011, 09:37 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Quick recap.
Tiffany stated that she was going to play pool with a friend at the Straubs and that her boyfriend couldn't make it, as he was at home doing a paper for school.
She stated that the police have looked at/examined her phone records (verifying that her record of conversations was correct) but did not need to confiscate her phone to do so.
She indicated that the police have interviewed at least three people. Herself, her boyfriend and an unnamed party, known as the minor.
She stated that she did not feel robbery was the primary motive and that this crime was of a more personal nature. She indicated that she had an idea that no one else was expected at the Straub home that evening. And, she feels a person who was involved in a robbery with JC years back could be a prime suspect.
She said that JC said he was planning to call her back after responding to someone saying essentially what are you doing here, who are you. She stated this is why she did not contact police immediately. Well, that's one version of her story. If you listen to the 911 call, the part about him calling back is no where to be heard. Two tellings of the same event leading to a HUGE discrepency...
She indicated that she could not hear Lisa or the mystery man who was in the home at the time in question.
She stated that she did not see inside the home, or claim it was ransacked, at any time.
Please add to the recap as you see fit. Just trying to consolidate info.
Tiffany/Mock members, feel free to correct anything I have wrong.
Thanks again for joining us Tiffany. We look forward to learning more.
worth going over again...
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(02-25-2011, 10:54 AM)fabulous Wrote: (02-25-2011, 10:08 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: (02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
Yep, and look who is standing right behind Lisa....geez, and I recognize a couple of other faces in there too...
can u pm me the link too? I've done a shit ton of facebook stalking over the last couple of days and I haven't run into this pic either!
I wonder if LIsa's parents are now getting the real drift of who her b/f was and what his so called friends were all about. so sad.so so sad.
Fabulous: Are you talking to me, I didn't post this picture so I don't know where RJ got it from?
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Good find on the picture. It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head. On a serious note, the guy in the white atlanta braves hat is right next to Lisa. Isn't that the guy that was on some other pics with Lisa on the boat? Could he have had the burns for Lisa and maybe was a lil jealous of Johnny? I don't see Johnny and I find it odd that lisa would be in this crowd without Johnny. Unless he's the one taking the pic
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(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.
sorry I did it wrong the first time...can you pm me this link to the fb page you found this. I haven't found it in all of my friendly facebook stalking : )
and someone commented on the ashing of the newport... that made me laugh and choke on my coffee.. that was classic!
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Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.
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