Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[IMaDick]

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I think "Dog The Bounty Hunter" showed what was possible when he found Andrew Stuart Luster. A perp with alot of money and means to escape.

now there is one of the biggest shitbums who ever got a TV show.
phony cop-wannabe and his porker wife. a convict who bought his badge online and pretends to be a SWAT team. he has absolutely NO authority anywhere.

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[ToledoNative]

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[kitty1]

I think "Dog The Bounty Hunter" showed what was possible when he found Andrew Stuart Luster. A perp with alot of money and means to escape.

now there is one of the biggest shitbums who ever got a TV show.
phony cop-wannabe and his porker wife. a convict who bought his badge online and pretends to be a SWAT team. he has absolutely NO authority anywhere.

:B
This is so off topic but I almost pee my pants when I think about his wife!!! She could smother the fugitives with her boobs and scratch their eyes out with her long, sharp nails or they could get tangled in her rat's nest of a hairdo. Sorry. I know it's off topic.

[imsuchawildflower]

This is a little long:

I am going to share something, I grew up in neighborhoods just like this in Chicago, my nephew who was actually a Golden Glove contender once, got involved with neighborhood wise guys and dealing coke (1980's) and thought these were his best buddies because he grew up with them. My sister moved him and his siblings out of that neighborhood when he was about 14 but he kept going back. Well a lot of crap happens with drugs and drug dealing and dirty money and he was shot in the head for "possibly" overhearing/seeing something he shouldn't have (went to see a friend just moments after they hit him, and they thought my nephew had seen them leave or had heard something). A few nights later a girlfriend of one of his neighborhood buddies called him and invited him down, there are lot of girls where there are drugs and money, a lot of TW types and younger, so he went to the local neighborhood thug bar, had more than a few drinks and they said they would give him a ride home, yeah a couple of his neighborhood buddies, when he got out of the car they walked right up behind him and shot him behind his right ear in the head, the only thing that saved his life was the Chicago winter weather, believe it or not!! It was so cold it stopped the bleeding long enough to get him to the hospital. We told him over and over again that something bad was going to happen if he kept hanging out there, but he wouldn't give up the old neighborhood! LE kept this under wraps so tight that when I called the hospital to check on him after I heard what happened, they told me he died!!! He didn't, LE just wanted that out on the street, well, that was about 25yrs ago, he suffered some brain damage (although his mother and I don't think he lost too many cells considering some of the decisions he was making at the time) and his right eye, his sinus', his taste and he still has horrible, horrible migraines. He even had a weird feeling that night but still took the ride from his neighborhood buddies, and guess what?? YEP, he wouldn't give up who did it!! Everyone at the thug bar, were of course, deaf, dumb and blind too. Although we all knew who the mid-level wiseguy thug was that ordered it, he wouldn't give it up, not to LE, and they wanted this guy bad but he never really got his hands dirty, if you know what I mean! Everyone in the "neighborhood" knew what was going on and who was behind it, he was as well known as your local alderman, and as well connected, he had a lot of people in his pocket! My nephew was not an innocent here either, he was dealing and he was collecting monies for this low life, my sister and her husband were like LS's parents hardworking never had any run ins with the law, saved every cent they could to get a better home and place to live for their kids, but there was nothing my sister or his father could do to persuade him to stop this, sounds easy right, call the cops, but I have heard stories about these people that would make your hair stand on end, and they weren't just stories! My nephew was a good kid until he thought he could run with the bad boys and get rich and why not, most of them were his neighborhood brothers/buddies right? I am sure Maytee knew what JC was up to but probably didn't know how to stop it without blowing a whistle on the bigger thugs and possibly causing more harm to herself, her hubby and her other kids and of course JC. Maytee was probably much like my sister, who just knew one day she was going to get a phone call. But the one thing I have never, ever seen is this method of killing, EVER. They shoot you, stab you, hang you, overdose you, strangle you, chop you up, but I dont' think I have ever, ever heard of duct tape and plastic bags!! This must be the "new" thing for a new breed of thug. The guy who ordered this on my nephew went to jail, but not for this, actually for a murder he was involved in about 10 yrs earlier, when he use to take the orders and get his hands dirty before he became the one to give the orders...such misplaced trust and loyalty my nephew had to that fucking neighborhood and then that lifestyle of drugs and fast money, and that's what I think happened to JC too. Like my nephew he thought those neighborhood thugs were his buddies, when in fact some of them are probably in the pocket of a known local drug pin and anything JC did or said was probably reported back, and JC was expendable, not really one of them, sort of on the fringe, and he was trying to get out from under and maybe get some quick cash for Barber school. So we may never know what happened, seems like that statement LE is really disturbing because it is just the usual don't worry they were druggies and brought it on themselves kind of statement, but I don't believe these kids were hard core, sorry, very gullible and naive about who they trusted, yes!! It is just a shame that this same story plays out over and over again and just never seems to stop. For once I would love to see LE get these bastards alive and really give them what they deserve.

P.S. They went after my nephew because they thought he heard or saw something because of his timing when he went to that friends house, so why wouldn't these "professionals" go after TW and ZB if they were knocking on the door and ringing the bell while the "professionals" were committing a double homicide, somebody was making sure that JC was where he was suppose to be, that's what I think. Did the girl who invited my nephew down to the thug bar know what was going to happen, we aren't sure, but she was used just the same, when the neighborhood thug at the thug bar said "hey why don't you give xxxxx a call and invite him down," she may not of known what she was being used for, not when she called, but later, she knew!

Professionals, not in my opinion, unless just getting paid takes you from amateur to professional. Ruthless, merciless, disgusting forms of humanity, yep.

Such a tragedy for your family...and Im sure it rings true all over this
nation, and the world for that matter. So so sad and tragic.
They never realize they cant trust anyone...ever...thats involved in that
world. Never realizing that the consequences for choosing that world
could be something you cant come back from.

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Lady Cop, don't you have contacts, or contacts with contacts, that can unearth SOMETHING for us, lol!!! Maybe find out why in the hell they aren't saying anything.

The reasoning behind the silence is simple, they don't want anyone to flee, they don't want anyone to spoil the info by it being posted everywhere on the internet and locally (they will need a non contaminated jury pool)and they don't want to say anything stupid that will come back to bite them in the ass. it's also possible that the people have already flee'd and they are working toward getting them back within jurisdictional bounds.

you know the old saying the more you talk the less people have to guess if you're a fool or not.

believe me they have information, they have people of interest, they have evidence, and they have the right idea of keeping quiet about it.

Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

[imsuchawildflower]

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John Sr. was busted for pot (a lot of it!)...served nearly 5 years. Maytee should have been sitting in a cell herself because she was really the kingpin. Finding info about John Sr. is a bit tricky because of the fact that he was sentenced to a Federal prison. Federal prisons are harder to get info. on prisoners.

I thinking that "dismissed because the police had the wrong man" may be whats is being view with suspicion and futhering the belief by "some" that he had a streak of the Benedict Arnold in him.

Perhaps you meant to use "viewed" instead of "view" above?

I really dont understand this new found side thread of correcting everyones spelling and choice of words esp when its obvious what they meant. Use
either word and it doesnt change the meaning of her statement.

That was just me busting chops because ZERO had "mocked" a post i had made using "processional" instead of "professional". I thought it was pretty funny but thought i would poke back a bit.

Ohhh ok.
No harm, no foul.
Poke away. LOL

[Lady Cop]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

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[kitty1]

Lady Cop, don't you have contacts, or contacts with contacts, that can unearth SOMETHING for us, lol!!! Maybe find out why in the hell they aren't saying anything.

The reasoning behind the silence is simple, they don't want anyone to flee, they don't want anyone to spoil the info by it being posted everywhere on the internet and locally (they will need a non contaminated jury pool)and they don't want to say anything stupid that will come back to bite them in the ass. it's also possible that the people have already flee'd and they are working toward getting them back within jurisdictional bounds.

you know the old saying the more you talk the less people have to guess if you're a fool or not.

believe me they have information, they have people of interest, they have evidence, and they have the right idea of keeping quiet about it.

I have to agree with Dick for two reasons. He was so polite to me in the initiation and torture room and secondly because the family tells me that this is indeed the situation as of now. They assure the family that they are on the "trail". Can u imagine all the hoodrats they have had to interview? All of Maytee and John Sr.'s aquaintences. Lisa's aquaintences. Well u all know the humongous set of characters. We have all been on Facebook. Actually Facebook has been helpful in gleaning info regarding friends and activities. Have u noticed that Maytee's rantings have changed tone? IMO They have gone from "I want to know who did this to my baby" to the exact demonic potion she has whipped up for them.

[imsuchawildflower]

I'm sure TW was going over to buy drugs, and big tine dealers usually keep a close eye on who their "runners" sell too. On top of that, JC could have been TW's dealer, there's a ranking system when it come to drug dealing and the ones t the top only have a select few they deal with. Therefore, I don't think they would be concerned at all if he was on the phone...assuming it was someone he was selling to, would know the reprecutions if they snitched. If you go back to when TW was anawering questions on the thread, she made it clear JC dealt with a lot of people that was kept on the down-low, again under the assumption there's a ranking system when it comes to the diatribution/selling of drugs.

I believe you're right about the "ranking system". I still think the reason Tiffany didn't call LE right away, was because SHE was going to get drugs from JC. In MY mind, it makes sense she wouldn't call LE, if that's the case. You just don't run & call the cops, in cases like this. She knew Johnny was a big guy, & probably deep into drug dealing, & honestly, probably thought he had everything under control. If those words were the only ones she heard, she MAY have figured something bad might be going down, but since everything revolved around drugs, she decided to wait it out, & see if she could get hold of him later. That's not far-fetched, imo. IF this was a professional hit, & Tiffany was to set Johnny up, then I don't believe she'd have EVER called ANYONE that night. Much less actually go over to the home. She would have kept her mouth shut tight. I don't think the perps gave a damn about who JC was talking to. They may have come upon him smiling, calm, not acting like crazed thugs, making him believe AT FIRST, he could keep the situation in control himself. Remember, several of us speculated that Johnny wasn't fearful, at least for the first few seconds.

If you watch Ganglad or Mobsters, you will know that the ranking system is exactly what they do. Most successful gangs based their hierarchy on
the example the Sicilian Mafioso, or Mob set up to begin with. They may have changed the names of the positions within the gangs, but its still their
example.

[IMaDick]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Not retired simply Ex. LEO, with enough years to have seen more than my share of crime scenes and investigations to speculate with more than a just little understanding of what's happening.

[shitstorm]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Well, lets hope that you guys are right and I'm just a cynical onlooker. I want to be wrong.

To either of you - Do you think that DNA as a means of nailing perps has made investigators too reliant on technology to solve cases?

Also, don't a fair amount of murders go unsolved?

[shitstorm]

I have to agree with Dick for two reasons. He was so polite to me in the initiation and torture room and secondly because the family tells me that this is indeed the situation as of now. They assure the family that they are on the "trail". Can u imagine all the hoodrats they have had to interview? All of Maytee and John Sr.'s aquaintences. Lisa's aquaintences. Well u all know the humongous set of characters. We have all been on Facebook. Actually Facebook has been helpful in gleaning info regarding friends and activities. Have u noticed that Maytee's rantings have changed tone? IMO They have gone from "I want to know who did this to my baby" to the exact demonic potion she has whipped up for them.

Assurances to the family are great news!

I think Dick is nice, too Not a dick, at all.

[kitty1]

Mine won't work unless I go to the top and type in page number. My page or next doesn't work. I don't care what I have to do. I will find my Mock!!!

[ZEROSPHERES]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Not retired simply Ex. LEO, with enough years to have seen more than my share of crime scenes and investigations to speculate with more than a just little understanding of what's happening.

Hi Dick,

Please elaborate on a question you posed back in the thread about the kitchen was an unusual place to commit this crime and where something like this would statistically take place.

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[Lady Cop]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Well, lets hope that you guys are right and I'm just a cynical onlooker. I want to be wrong.

To either of you - Do you think that DNA as a means of nailing perps has made investigators too reliant on technology to solve cases?

Also, don't a fair amount of murders go unsolved?

that's OK, i'm cynical too. after years of being a LEO.

yes many murders are unsolved, usually when there is no nexus between victim and killer. a national DNA database will help rectify that in the case of serial killers who are highly mobile.

and i don't think DNA has made investigators lazy about working a case. it's simply another tool and a damn accurate one. it's good for not only proving cases, but proving innocence.

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and i don't think DNA has made investigators lazy about working a case. it's simply another tool and a damn accurate one. it's good for not only proving cases, but proving innocence. [/b]

That's a very good point because time isn't wasted on the wrong people, I would think.

What are your thoughts about Tiffany, at this point?

[imsuchawildflower]

Yes, we're on the same page. I don't LIKE this scenario, but I have to go with what LE released - "not random", "not a robbery" "professional" "drug related". That's really all we have to go on, now, unless something else is released. If this was a professinal hit, then in my mind, the perps wore gloves.

It is very difficult to use duct tape with gloves on. Jus sayin

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Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.
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I think thats reaching too far...People only overthink their crimes in
movies.
what was the quote someone posted yesterday or the day before
about simplicity?
It was perfect.

[IMaDick]

SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Well, lets hope that you guys are right and I'm just a cynical onlooker. I want to be wrong.

To either of you - Do you think that DNA as a means of nailing perps has made investigators too reliant on technology to solve cases?

Also, don't a fair amount of murders go unsolved?

that's OK, i'm cynical too. after years of being a LEO.

yes many murders are unsolved, usually when there is no nexus between victim and killer. a national DNA database will help rectify that in the case of serial killers who are highly mobile.

and i don't think DNA has made investigators lazy about working a case. it's simply another tool and a damn accurate one. it's good for not only proving cases, but proving innocence.

check it out,

DNA is a tool, not the only tool.

unsolved murder numbers include all kinds of variables, from drive by shootings to unknown and unassociated assailant, (people who are killed by people with no ties to them), it's very tough to collect any type of evidence from some crime scenes.

cold,frost,rain,heat, so many things can degrade or erase evidence there will always be a percentage of homicides which go unsolved.