Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[heartbreaker6713]

I know it may be different as a victim identify their attacker (as i had to do) but i don't regret my decision when i had to do. I really do think that someone will talk to someone and that someone will go to the authorities or the the weaker of the two or more people who did this will crack eventually. I think this is gonna eat them up. There are way worse things i've done on the moral code (i'm talking like making a fool of myself when i'm drunk that bother me years later) that i still stew over. I really think somewhere down the line that someone is gonna crack i just hope it's sooner than later. I heard they are capping the reward amount at 20k. Not sure how i feel about this. At first i was like why? then i realized maybe that's a good thing cause then the person couldn't keep holding out...idk.

I am also hoping that LE has an idea of who has done this and is just trying to get more to put behind this case to make sure when it goes to trial that it's a slam dunk. You only get one chance at trial (unless of course for mistrial/hung jury,etc) but you don't want to mess up and have it go the wrong way because you didn't have all your ducks in a row. Yes the LE has made some really bad decisions in their choice of comments, and maybe even that is an over generalized statement because it seems it was only one person in the dept.

I was also curious if they would hold off on releasing an autopsy report if the toxiology reporty isn't back yet. I believe i saw an article that said those results were still pending.

[Freshbait78]

That VD's girl, I thought maybe her because she looks like a baby getting mixed up with vipers, but now she has a whole new FB page, what's weird is she never, ever mentions Lisa anymore...On her info page she says she has 2 angels in heaven and Lisa isn't one of them, just seems weird, it's like she completely dropped saying anything about Lisa, like she's disconnecting Johnny from Lisa too, weird.
She and Tiffany both removed LS off their friend list. I know LS is gone but many of the people on her friend list still have her as a friend...just kind of weird especially it just shows that they really didn't consider Lisa to be one of them...

On her info page:
My Two Angels In Heaven ;
Johnny Clarke & Luis Ruiz ♥

This does not surprise me at all. Lisa wasn't one of them & never would be. I've seen this so many times. These girls come into the "hood" from the suburbs & they try to fit in and people will even treat them like they do fit in for awhile but it's all fake. She had nothing in common with them & there would even be some contempt, especially from the females.( Pic of TW looking like she's gonna ash a cig on Lisas head ring a bell?) The majority of the time when I've seen this the guys will hook up with girls like Lisa & her friends... use them use them use them & spit them back out. I've seen guys hang out with the girls from the burbs, rob their houses while the girls are having a "parents out of town" party & then act like they've never known them.

[Miss Conspiracy]

That VD's girl, I thought maybe her because she looks like a baby getting mixed up with vipers, but now she has a whole new FB page, what's weird is she never, ever mentions Lisa anymore...On her info page she says she has 2 angels in heaven and Lisa isn't one of them, just seems weird, it's like she completely dropped saying anything about Lisa, like she's disconnecting Johnny from Lisa too, weird.
She and Tiffany both removed LS off their friend list. I know LS is gone but many of the people on her friend list still have her as a friend...just kind of weird especially it just shows that they really didn't consider Lisa to be one of them...

On her info page:
My Two Angels In Heaven ;
Johnny Clarke & Luis Ruiz ♥

To be fair, it could have been someone from Lisa's side that removed Tiffany off Lisa's friends. But I wouldn't put it past Tiffany to do that either. And it doesn't seem that VD's gf was close to Lisa at all. Johnny was her friend, and good friend it seems.

[sealed27]

Another thought I have is this.... Now read this and think about the actual crime scene. I know for a fact that this crime scene was a " massacre". I will get this out of the way and let you all know I am "UNKNOWN" sister. Whoever did this had to have left the crime scene covered in blood. No way around it. Someome in her neighborhood had to have seen something. They might not consiously be aware of it but on that Sunday night/early monday morning (12ish) evening it was a beautiful night out people had been burdened by bad weather days before that. In that neighborhood to walk a dog at 11, 12 at night wouldnt have been unusual. Especially after being snowed in for a few days. I know if it is late in the evening my dog will hear people walking down the street and go nuts. I will get up and look. Dogs have a very keen sense of smell and hearing. You can rest assured even if the neighbors didnt hear it someones dog(s) did. Dogs pick up high pitch sounds, Commotion, Even if it is not in there yard. I can bet if LE went door to door to people who have dogs and askd about any behavior on that night from their own dogs... Whether a bark or a head lift... The majority of thier answer would be yes. Dogs are territorial. Think about it

Also was curious as to LS's dog, possible that the dog could react crazy around whomever did this?

[sealed27]

Another thought I have is this.... Now read this and think about the actual crime scene. I know for a fact that this crime scene was a " massacre". I will get this out of the way and let you all know I am "UNKNOWN" sister. Whoever did this had to have left the crime scene covered in blood. No way around it. Someome in her neighborhood had to have seen something. They might not consiously be aware of it but on that Sunday night/early monday morning (12ish) evening it was a beautiful night out people had been burdened by bad weather days before that. In that neighborhood to walk a dog at 11, 12 at night wouldnt have been unusual. Especially after being snowed in for a few days. I know if it is late in the evening my dog will hear people walking down the street and go nuts. I will get up and look. Dogs have a very keen sense of smell and hearing. You can rest assured even if the neighbors didnt hear it someones dog(s) did. Dogs pick up high pitch sounds, Commotion, Even if it is not in there yard. I can bet if LE went door to door to people who have dogs and askd about any behavior on that night from their own dogs... Whether a bark or a head lift... The majority of thier answer would be yes. Dogs are territorial. Think about it

Also was curious as to LS's dog, possible that the dog could react crazy around whomever did this?

Like as a witness, the dog may also identify the perp's

[Lady Cop]

i understand the dog was a puppy. i doubt he can be relied upon as a witness, nomatter how he may react around people. he may be psychologically damaged for a while.

[Lady Cop]

off-topic but may interest you, execution in Lucasville Ohio today.
post #60:

http://mockforums.net/post-143905.html#pid143905

[sealed27]

i understand the dog was a puppy. i doubt he can be relied upon as a witness, nomatter how he may react around people. he may be psychologically damaged for a while.

Yes poor dog

[Inspector Gary]

I know it may be different as a victim identify their attacker (as i had to do) but i don't regret my decision when i had to do. I really do think that someone will talk to someone and that someone will go to the authorities or the the weaker of the two or more people who did this will crack eventually. I think this is gonna eat them up. There are way worse things i've done on the moral code (i'm talking like making a fool of myself when i'm drunk that bother me years later) that i still stew over. I really think somewhere down the line that someone is gonna crack i just hope it's sooner than later. I heard they are capping the reward amount at 20k. Not sure how i feel about this. At first i was like why? then i realized maybe that's a good thing cause then the person couldn't keep holding out...idk.

I am also hoping that LE has an idea of who has done this and is just trying to get more to put behind this case to make sure when it goes to trial that it's a slam dunk. You only get one chance at trial (unless of course for mistrial/hung jury,etc) but you don't want to mess up and have it go the wrong way because you didn't have all your ducks in a row. Yes the LE has made some really bad decisions in their choice of comments, and maybe even that is an over generalized statement because it seems it was only one person in the dept.

I was also curious if they would hold off on releasing an autopsy report if the toxiology reporty isn't back yet. I believe i saw an article that said those results were still pending.

IMO, capping the reward at $20,000 may be done so that people don't keep waiting to see how high the amount goes. If they know that $20,000 is the MAX, then they know there is NO point in waiting any longer for the purpose of getting a larger amount. Could be other reasons, but that was just my thought on it!

[Nina]

Posted on MM's wall today "Y U ACTIN LIKE U AINT THE POLICE U HOE ASS NIGGA... U SCARY ASS FUK ALL U DO IS CALL THE POLICE IF SOMEONE PUTS THERE HANDS ON U.. HOW THE FUK U GET PICKED UP IN KANSAS AND GET A OR BOND??? SNITCHHHHHHHH ..... ALL U GOOD AT IS MAKIN KIDS N DISSAPEARING U FUKIN LOSER ASS BITCH DEAD BEAT PIECE OF SHIT!!! SN... UR BITCH IS UGLY!!!"

[Duchess]

That made me laugh...forgive me.

[Lady Cop]

i'm not sure where that was posted, i don't see it. link?

sounds like someone worried, scared, pissed off but frightened of a "snitch".

[Inspector Gary]

Posted on MM's wall today "Y U ACTIN LIKE U AINT THE POLICE U HOE ASS NIGGA... U SCARY ASS FUK ALL U DO IS CALL THE POLICE IF SOMEONE PUTS THERE HANDS ON U.. HOW THE FUK U GET PICKED UP IN KANSAS AND GET A OR BOND??? SNITCHHHHHHHH ..... ALL U GOOD AT IS MAKIN KIDS N DISSAPEARING U FUKIN LOSER ASS BITCH DEAD BEAT PIECE OF SHIT!!! SN... UR BITCH IS UGLY!!!"

I think this chic needs to be invited to join us here!! :B

[Inspector Gary]

i'm not sure where that was posted, i don't see it. link?

sounds like someone worried, scared, pissed off but frightened of a "snitch".

LC, a girl posted this on MM's facebook page ABOUT MM in response to the message below:

MM: "policeass nigga's kill me..just remember i know the real...you won't bust a grape at a fruit fight so act tuff to your people on fb my shit ain't blocked..."

[Nina]

Does this link work? A girl posted it. Or someone posting from a girl's FB.........

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?i...24&sk=wall

[Lady Cop]

Does this link work? A girl posted it. Or someone posting from a girl's FB.........

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?i...24&sk=wall

OK so we don't know who it is and they are not connected to case that we know of.
link does work.
that party has also not been connected to case by LE. but someone is mad!

thanks.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Hopefully LE has paid a visit to the company VD works for according to his FB profile...type of industry caught my attention, wonder if the employees drive Econ white vans to the construction sites

Or if Black Duct Tape is kept in their trucks for their work?

[toledoarea]

i'm not sure where that was posted, i don't see it. link?

sounds like someone worried, scared, pissed off but frightened of a "snitch".

LC, a girl posted this on MM's facebook page ABOUT MM in response to the message below:

MM: "policeass nigga's kill me..just remember i know the real...you won't bust a grape at a fruit fight so act tuff to your people on fb my shit ain't blocked..."

Haha. "bust a grape in a fruit fight". What a douche bag, he stole that from Jay-Z

[WolfHouse]

That VD's girl, I thought maybe her because she looks like a baby getting mixed up with vipers, but now she has a whole new FB page, what's weird is she never, ever mentions Lisa anymore...On her info page she says she has 2 angels in heaven and Lisa isn't one of them, just seems weird, it's like she completely dropped saying anything about Lisa, like she's disconnecting Johnny from Lisa too, weird.
She and Tiffany both removed LS off their friend list. I know LS is gone but many of the people on her friend list still have her as a friend...just kind of weird especially it just shows that they really didn't consider Lisa to be one of them...

On her info page:
My Two Angels In Heaven ;
Johnny Clarke & Luis Ruiz ♥

ThAis does not surprise me at all. Lisa wasn't one of them & never would be. I've seen this so many times. These girls come into the "hood" from the suburbs & they try to fit in and people will even treat them like they do fit in for awhile but it's all fake. She had nothing in common with them & there would even be some contempt, especially from the females.( Pic of TW looking like she's gonna ash a cig on Lisas head ring a bell?) The majority of the time when I've seen this the guys will hook up with girls like Lisa & her friends... use them use them use them & spit them back out. I've seen guys hang out with the girls from the burbs, rob their houses while the girls are having a "parents out of town" party & then act like they've never known them.

Angels may be the guys who are dead who she has slept with, too. (shorthand)

[Snoopy]

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On her info page:
My Two Angels In Heaven ;
Johnny Clarke & Luis Ruiz ♥

Angels may be the guys who are dead who she has slept with, too. (shorthand)

Or they are just two people who passed away, that she loved and cared about. There is no reason to imply anything more.