Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[heartbreaker6713]

This is very interesting! I have to run to school but what i will say before i got to school is this. I have stated before about the previous prescription use that i use because of back pain. I use oxycodone which percocet. Now i will say this (and this is why i am sharing this) that whenever i've had to have a root canal, they have given me vicodin to cover the tooth pain that wasn't touched by the oxycodone. I will say this about the combo of oxcodone and vicodin it makes you really high feeling. I wasn't expecting to get that drowsy or whoozing feeling the first time and i was knocked out when i went home. I took them for a few days to cover the pain but even for those few days i didn't do much because it made me so impaired. I know medicine can affect people differently and what not based on size, metabolism, previous use, etc. and we don't know when JC and LS took the drugs/medication but at the same time if it was at the same time this may have had some affect. Still not thinking i think they were drugged but i do still think that they were caught off guard and not on their "A" game because of it, as i stated previously.

[heartbreaker6713]

I was just rethinking my above post. I guess it is possible that Maytee HAS shared the truth with LE. She could have said to LE "My son and/or Lisa might possibly have been involved with prescription drugs..but I just don't want the public to know about it" I will give her that benefit of doubt. But if she truly believes what she commented to the Blade then she needs to face reality. IMO

and she contradicts herself, in one sentence she says that he has a prescription for an injury and in the next sentence says that he doesn't use prescription drugs. Not calling her a liar just not sure where to read between the line on this one. I like that she's not denying the part about the marijuana use though, not that i want anything to be a black cloud over this. I just think it's nice to see her being atleast upfront about some stuff.

[Duchess]

Fuck. I'll call her a liar. She's done this from the beginning in an effort to protect his memory. It's bullshit. They were abusing prescription drugs. Jesus Christ.

[kitty1]

I was just rethinking my above post. I guess it is possible that Maytee HAS shared the truth with LE. She could have said to LE "My son and/or Lisa might possibly have been involved with prescription drugs..but I just don't want the public to know about it" I will give her that benefit of doubt. But if she truly believes what she commented to the Blade then she needs to face reality. IMO

and she contradicts herself, in one sentence she says that he has a prescription for an injury and in the next sentence says that he doesn't use prescription drugs. Not calling her a liar just not sure where to read between the line on this one. I like that she's not denying the part about the marijuana use though, not that i want anything to be a black cloud over this. I just think it's nice to see her being atleast upfront about some stuff.

I'm guessing that she meant that they don't abuse prescription drugs, but rather they take as prescribed. IMO

[kitty1]

Fuck. I'll call her a liar. She's done this from the beginning in an effort to protect his memory. It's bullshit. They were abusing prescription drugs. Jesus Christ.

I was trying to be too nice, but yes, she is a liar! She simply cannot face reality! Let's see..the perps came in and said "let's have a Pepsi together then I'll kill ya both"! But I'll have to wait 20 minutes till the drugs take full effect! Or wait! Maybe they tied um up and poured the drugs down their throat! They are not gonna waste their drugs!! There is no reason to drug them! She's twisted if she thinks anyone believes her!

[Duchess]

I understand her desire to keep the less than favorable aspects of his life out of the public eye but this isn't a damn job interview it's a murder investigation. There will be arrests made & there will be a trial, she needs to prepare herself for every single negative aspect of his life to be made public.

[fabulous]

Let's get real, everyone in the South end has a very strong suspicion of who is involved. People are talking on the streets, in the corner carry outs, in the neighborhood and even within families. The rumor from "everyone" in the area is that there is substantial evidence that Johnny's Parents know more than they are saying and therefore they could possibly be involved.
If you doubt me: anyone in the Toledo area should take a trip to the South and Airport area and chat with some of the locals who are familiar with the family and you also be a believer!

I've heard the exact same thing...people are talking in the neighborhoods and on the street about the Clarke's having way more inforamtion than they are sharing. Just cause you're "calling the cops 5 times a day" doesn't mean that you are "cooperating" with the investigation.

it doesn't have anything to do with liking or not liking Maytee. Her son was a drug dealer, she knew it then and she knows it now.


IN YOUR OPINION? LC

[truth be told]

Fuck. I'll call her a liar. She's done this from the beginning in an effort to protect his memory. It's bullshit. They were abusing prescription drugs. Jesus Christ.

Of course she is lying...where do you think Johnny got the pills from? I have personally witnessed her giving/selling drugs to several neighborhood kids. Everything is slowing beginning to surface. "Freshbait78"--the article in The Blade is an example of just one of her lies, since you seem to think she is so honest (there is ton's more if you just pay attention.)

I cared deeply for both Johnny and Lisa. My sole purpose of being on here is for justice. I want the people responsible behind bars. Note: the Crime-stopper Billboard with Lisa and Johnny is back in at least one location this morning...on I-75 near the old Jeep plant.

[curious]

I find it extremely hard to believe JC was prescribed Percocet on Dec. 17 for a knee injury sustained over three years ago. My grandfather was an orthopedic surgeon and when I asked about this, he said if it was from a knee injury it would only be prescribed after a surgery and not for on going pain as over 90% of injuries sustained to the knee that do not require surgery are given an anti-inflammorty drug, to reduce swelling, not a pain reliever which would only mask
the pain temporarily.

In my book, every time Maytee opens her mouth it's one lie after another...and as far as calling LE five times a day, sounds to me like someone paranoid about what they have uncovered not to mention taking time away from the investigation.

[Methusala]

…i use because of back pain. I use oxycodone which percocet.

Do you mean:

"oxycodone which is percocet"

or do you mean

"oxycodone with percocet?"




Percocet contains oxycodone.

[Methusala]

This chart may be helpful in furtherance of our discussion and speculation as to what may have occurred that night.



Credit: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...codone.png

[Methusala]

Another thought:

More than 1,800 pharmacy robberies have taken place nationally over the last three years, typically conducted by young men seeking opioid painkillers and other drugs to sell or feed their own addictions. The most common targets are oxycodone (the main ingredient in OxyContin), hydrocodone (the main ingredient in Vicodin) and Xanax.

The robbers are brazen and desperate. In Rockland, Me., one wielded a machete as he leapt over a pharmacy counter to snatch the painkiller oxycodone, gulping some before he fled. In Satellite Beach, Fla., a robber threatened a pharmacist with a cordless drill last week, and in North Highlands, Calif., a holdup last summer led to a shootout that left a pharmacy worker dead.

(emphasis supplied)

New York Times
February 6, 2011
"Pharmacies Besieged by Addicted Thieves"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/07/us/07p...nted=print

[heartbreaker6713]

…i use because of back pain. I use oxycodone which percocet.

Do you mean:

"oxycodone which is percocet"

or do you mean

"oxycodone with percocet?"




Percocet contains oxycodone.

i take oxycodone sorry for the confusion. I do take it with other medication that my doctor has prescribed for the back injury including a nerve medication and a muscle relaxer but i take them as directed. The only time i've ever taken anything else was when i had a root canal as i stated earlier.

[heartbreaker6713]

[color=#FF1493]I find it extremely hard to believe JC was prescribed Percocet on Dec. 17 for a knee injury sustained over three years ago. My grandfather was an orthopedic surgeon and when I asked about this, he said if it was from a knee injury it would only be prescribed after a surgery and not for on going pain as over 90% of injuries sustained to the knee that do not require surgery are given an anti-inflammorty drug, to reduce swelling, not a pain reliever which would only mask
the pain temporarily.

i am on the fence with this. While i had a knee injury and did have as your grandfather said they gave me anti-inflammorty drugs for years till they did surgery and then was given pain meds for that. The pain meds for the knee surgery i was given was about 3 months if i remember right. (it was almost 10 years ago) However, the pain meds i take now are for an injury i sustained from a car accident over two years ago. Patients go through something called pain management. NOW i don't believe Johnny was doing this for a knee injury at all. But injuries can be treated with pain medication over a long period of time and not just anti-inflammorty drugs depending on the injury. i am speaking from my personal experience on both a knee injury and back injury.

[Freshbait78]

Of course she is lying...where do you think Johnny got the pills from? I have personally witnessed her giving/selling drugs to several neighborhood kids. Everything is slowing beginning to surface. "Freshbait78"--the article in The Blade is an example of just one of her lies, since you seem to think she is so honest (there is ton's more if you just pay attention.)

Did you call the police on Maytee when you witnessed her selling & giving kids drugs? Just wondering.... if not then you're no better IMO

About the blade article: I think Maytee is in denial or she's attempting to protect her sons reputation or both. I don't think anyone crushed up pills & slipped them into their drinks.

"Although the test does not show what dosage was taken or when, Dr. Patrick said the drugs were probably ingested "a few hours" before they died. "If your thesis is that somebody drugged them and then did this to them, that's unlikely," Dr. Patrick said." A few hours before meaning more than 2. So LS must have taken the percocet/oxy & vicoden while still at work? & JC had taken his pills before he picked her up, possibly while at VDs house?

As far as where they got the pills, wouldn't LE be able to contact JCs PCP to find out if he infact had a Rx for any pain pills?

[NightOwl]

Duchess of Mock - Post #14518 Thanks for Toledo Blade article - it states Sylvania Township - when it should state Springfield. Wondering why?

[Duchess]

Duchess of Mock - Post #14518 Thanks for Toledo Blade article - it states Sylvania Township - when it should state Springfield. Wondering why?

I don't know. I swiped it from toledoblade.com. *shrugs*

[Adub]

It says Springfield Township now. The Blade article, that is.

[WolfHouse]

I live near two universities, so I took a walk and played interviewer
while standing on the steps where the kids were having their cigarette
break. In a group of 10 - all 19 to 21, I asked, 'How many of your
parents know what prescription drugs you take, legitimately, prescribed
by your doctor." They laughed until they had tears in their eyes.
Only ONE would tell their 'mom' anything about their medical care.
How nice of Johnny to share all this info with the mom he requested
(from the court) not to live with. (Or did the court request he find a
different place to live?) I am not trying to diss Maytee, but just find
it very odd that a 21 year old would share this with his mom.

[NightOwl]

Freshbait78,

"Although the test does not show what dosage was taken or when, Dr. Patrick said the drugs were probably ingested "a few hours" before they died. "If your thesis is that somebody drugged them and then did this to them, that's unlikely," Dr. Patrick said." A few hours before meaning more than 2. So LS must have taken the percocet/oxy & vicoden while still at work? & JC had taken his pills before he picked her up, possibly while at VDs house?"
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I thought the same thing - they started in on the "Hillbilly Heroin" early - it is all tragic! Recently the Toledo Blade had an article on Prescription Drug abuse & how it's now an epidemic in the State of Ohio. Big question WHY?

No one drugged them I have to agree with Doctor Patrick.