Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[NightOwl]

From Pettaway court document dated 6-11. The initial $7,500.00 has been eclipsed. Dr. Fabian normal rate is $250.00 per hour. He has reduced his fee to $200.00 for this case.

I missed this one Older Than Dirt, can you imagine $200.00 dollars per hour?

$20.000 is still through the roof! it's

[Lady Cop]

Mustang,

I can't hit on you with your mom here.

ho.

[Mustang]

Mustang,

I can't hit on you with your mom here.

Well...if you look anything like your avatar, I'm...er...um...I'm glad my mom being here is a deterrent.

[NightOwl]

Mustang,

I can't hit on you with your mom here.

Well...if you look anything like your avatar, I'm...er...um...I'm glad my mom being here is a deterrent.

[Older Than Dirt]

6/25/2012 1 Title : SUBPOENA TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE
ISSUED TO:
LUCAS COUNTY JAIL/LUCAS COUNTY CORRECTION CENTER
1622 SPIELBUSCH AVE
TOLEDO OH 43604
PARTY : D1 - PETTAWAY CAMEO

[Older Than Dirt]

6/25/2012 1 Title : SUBPOENA TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE
ISSUED TO:
LUCAS COUNTY JAIL/LUCAS COUNTY CORRECTION CENTER
1622 SPIELBUSCH AVE
TOLEDO OH 43604
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

[Older Than Dirt]

6/25/2012 2 Title : EVT:JE FILE/JOUR $ EFF 9/24/03
CSB RECORDS
E JOURNALIZED 06-25-12
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD





WHY WOULD THESE RECORDS BE NEEDED????? Anybody know????

[Older Than Dirt]

Redacted CSB records delivered to defendants counsel & State of Ohio. Unredacted and redacted CSB records, admitted as courts Exhibit A and placed under seal. This from court document 6-25-2012. Still don't know what all this means. Especially WHY????

[gurl2323]

Nice job Older Than Dirt, looks to me like a no winner for Williams.

I checked out the supplemental discovery some CD's were mentioned, witnesses not mentioned for safety reasons names withheld. Facebook pages were mentioned again so LE definitely check there. AG & CW on the list and Eric Taylor mentioned possibly a letter received from him, trying to recall what I read. Not a great deal of new information.

CW = Christopher Wealleans ( one of johnnys best friends )
CD = Chris Dale ( close friend of samuel williams , not family )
DM = Dustin Matney ( also one of johnnys close friends )

DM , was shot last weekend here in toledo , its so close in trial , wander if it had anything to do with with testifying on behalf , or if was just a random act a crime !

[Mustang]

Nice job Older Than Dirt, looks to me like a no winner for Williams.

I checked out the supplemental discovery some CD's were mentioned, witnesses not mentioned for safety reasons names withheld. Facebook pages were mentioned again so LE definitely check there. AG & CW on the list and Eric Taylor mentioned possibly a letter received from him, trying to recall what I read. Not a great deal of new information.

CW = Christopher Wealleans ( one of johnnys best friends )
CD = Chris Dale ( close friend of samuel williams , not family )
DM = Dustin Matney ( also one of johnnys close friends )

DM , was shot last weekend here in toledo , its so close in trial , wander if it had anything to do with with testifying on behalf , or if was just a random act a crime !

Doubt that it was random. After he was shot his house was torched.

[gurl2323]

Nice job Older Than Dirt, looks to me like a no winner for Williams.

I checked out the supplemental discovery some CD's were mentioned, witnesses not mentioned for safety reasons names withheld. Facebook pages were mentioned again so LE definitely check there. AG & CW on the list and Eric Taylor mentioned possibly a letter received from him, trying to recall what I read. Not a great deal of new information.

CW = Christopher Wealleans ( one of johnnys best friends )
CD = Chris Dale ( close friend of samuel williams , not family )
DM = Dustin Matney ( also one of johnnys close friends )

DM , was shot last weekend here in toledo , its so close in trial , wander if it had anything to do with with testifying on behalf , or if was just a random act a crime !

Doubt that it was random. After he was shot his house was torched.

Oh wow , so sad crime never ends when justice is not served well. Specially because there may be more out here that were involved with johnny and lisa's deaths, very sad that the house was torched , and also sad that they have noone in custody . I seen that they have an idea , but no names yet

[koko]

Mustang thanks for your insight. That's crazy.

[Older Than Dirt]

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...e-say.html IMO, these victims are not helping because they want to take care of this in their own way!!!!!! If you read the comments, the mother of one victim, says that they DO know who the shooter or shooters are. I know their names have been mentioned on FB! This victim was not killed, although I imagine that was by the Grace of God. The suspects have extensive criminal records. I'm not certain whose house was set on fire. I think that it was where the shooter lived. I could find out, but prefer not to because of personal reasons.

[NightOwl]

Redacted CSB records delivered to defendants counsel & State of Ohio. Unredacted and redacted CSB records, admitted as courts Exhibit A and placed under seal. This from court document 6-25-2012. Still don't know what all this means. Especially WHY????

Older Than Dirt, all very queer! we do know the Redacted CSB records have been delivered it all sounds like more rigmarole to me. Why would Williams and his issue with the CSB be brought up in the middle of a murder case? does he still have custody of children and Starla lost custody to her mother so, he's trying to get custody transferred to his mother Doris IMO.

[NightOwl]

Nice job Older Than Dirt, looks to me like a no winner for Williams.

I checked out the supplemental discovery some CD's were mentioned, witnesses not mentioned for safety reasons names withheld. Facebook pages were mentioned again so LE definitely check there. AG & CW on the list and Eric Taylor mentioned possibly a letter received from him, trying to recall what I read. Not a great deal of new information.

CW = Christopher Wealleans ( one of johnnys best friends )
CD = Chris Dale ( close friend of samuel williams , not family )
DM = Dustin Matney ( also one of johnnys close friends )

DM , was shot last weekend here in toledo , its so close in trial , wander if it had anything to do with with testifying on behalf , or if was just a random act a crime !

Doubt that it was random. After he was shot his house was torched.

Oh wow , so sad crime never ends when justice is not served well. Specially because there may be more out here that were involved with johnny and lisa's deaths, very sad that the house was torched , and also sad that they have noone in custody . I seen that they have an idea , but no names yet

Gurl2323 nice job!!! DM initials above are mentioned on the Discovery list (LCSO report from Detective Kozak regarding 10/11/11 interview of DM.)
(CW report from Detective Kozak regarding 2/16/11 interview of CW.)
Christopher Wealleans and Dustin Matney both are on Mugshotsonline

Lady Cop mentioned someone with the name Dale in a bit of a pushing match with Big John, Johnny's father at the Court House this weasel Chris Dale could be him and if his middle name is Jordan well there are 7 Mugshotsonline with him. I wish I had a big broom so I could sweep them all out of Toledo!!

[gurl2323]

Nice job Older Than Dirt, looks to me like a no winner for Williams.

I checked out the supplemental discovery some CD's were mentioned, witnesses not mentioned for safety reasons names withheld. Facebook pages were mentioned again so LE definitely check there. AG & CW on the list and Eric Taylor mentioned possibly a letter received from him, trying to recall what I read. Not a great deal of new information.

CW = Christopher Wealleans ( one of johnnys best friends )
CD = Chris Dale ( close friend of samuel williams , not family )
DM = Dustin Matney ( also one of johnnys close friends )

DM , was shot last weekend here in toledo , its so close in trial , wander if it had anything to do with with testifying on behalf , or if was just a random act a crime !

Doubt that it was random. After he was shot his house was torched.

Oh wow , so sad crime never ends when justice is not served well. Specially because there may be more out here that were involved with johnny and lisa's deaths, very sad that the house was torched , and also sad that they have noone in custody . I seen that they have an idea , but no names yet

Gurl2323 nice job!!! DM initials above are mentioned on the Discovery list (LCSO report from Detective Kozak regarding 10/11/11 interview of DM.)
(CW report from Detective Kozak regarding 2/16/11 interview of CW.)
Christopher Wealleans and Dustin Matney both are on Mugshotsonline

Lady Cop mentioned someone with the name Dale in a bit of a pushing match with Big John, Johnny's father at the Court House this weasel Chris Dale could be him and if his middle name is Jordan well there are 7 Mugshotsonline with him. I wish I had a big broom so I could sweep them all out of Toledo!!

yes jordan is middle name , and im right along with you ill have the other broom sweeping the rest off of the these streets

[Older Than Dirt]

http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/obpublicacc...0c060855bc

[NightOwl]

http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/obpublicacc...0c060855bc

This was all about a possible conflict of interest with Mr. W who could be a witness for the State of Ohio, John Thebes, Samuel Williams lawyer was also Mr. W's lawyer and a waiver has been signed now and John Thebes is still Williams lawyer.

[Adub]

So now the State has five confidential witnesses, plus this Mr W?

[Older Than Dirt]

http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/obpublicacc...0c060855bc

This was all about a possible conflict of interest with Mr. W who could be a witness for the State of Ohio, John Thebes, Samuel Williams lawyer was also Mr. W's lawyer and a waiver has been signed now and John Thebes is still Williams lawyer.

Good job Night Owl! That's a skill I don't own. Everybody who knows me would agree that I can't be brief. They always ask if there's a short version!!!