Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Butterfly Girl]

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[HairOfTheDog]

I was hoping there would be a hearing in open court so we might learn more about the evidence.

Would the reading of the affidavit disclosed evidence and that's why he choose not to have it read? If this is a dumb question please chalk it up to me not knowing better.

I rarely, if ever, see dumb questions in here.

Sometimes defendants want to skip a probable cause hearing to avoid public exposure.

Sometimes they know there's probable cause to support the charges against them, so why bother having an attorney argue it at the hearing, thereby showing their defense-strategy hand before it's necessary. I believe that's the most common reason that defendants, typically on advice of their attorneys, choose to waive the hearing and instead let it go directly to a secret grand jury.

[Duchess]

Thanks and thank you for putting it in easy to understand language.

I said it like that because I've been trying to find out about Ramirez' pension and if it would be forfeited. The legalese is mind numbing.

[Butterfly Girl]

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[Duchess]

Just an FYI you see more comments IF you log into facebook to look at this

I've been reading all the comments. People are glad he's off the streets and from the sound of a couple of them he was a real dick while he was out on them.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks and thank you for putting it in easy to understand language.

I said it like that because I've been trying to find out about Ramirez' pension and if it would be forfeited. The legalese is mind numbing.

I see. I'm very literal.

There's been public uproar about dirty cops (and other public workers) getting to keep some or all of their pensions when they resigned prior to felony convictions in Philly, Chicago, the state of Wisconsin...

I wouldn't be surprised if Ramirez gets to collect retirement benefits while his case is pending. He is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law and the state.

If he's convicted of the felony charge though, I imagine the Toledo PD will elect to lawfully terminate his retirement benefits, with the exception of what he contributed to the pension plan during his years of employment. Ramirez could then challenge or appeal that action in court.

Here's the Ohio statute: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2929.192

[imsuchawildflower]

Can we read the affidavit online somewhere??

[HairOfTheDog]

I've seen this section of it cited many times in the media reporting, Wildflower, but haven't seen the Affidavit doc published yet.

An affidavit states there was “evidence of communications between the defendant and another,” and the evidence was deleted “in an attempt to shield the defendant's involvement in a felonious assault plot.”

[imsuchawildflower]

Right...I guess what I was wondering was if it had been published online yet. You'd think if the media got a look at it, then it would be somewhere that we could see too. Hmm. I'll keep looking. I'm nosey

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm nosey too, but have been coming up empty.

I got the impression that the media picked up the quote from the Affadavit based on what was said at the arraignment and the press conference, rather than having gotten a copy of it.

But, I don't know for sure; wish we could get our hands on it.

If it's out there somewhere, I know you'll find it.

[imsuchawildflower]

Is there a certain place to look? I just Google til I find stuff. Lol

[HairOfTheDog]

Google's the way to go, for me too. I've tried several different search phrases since the arrests, but haven't hit on anything.

Checked the court docket site for Lucas County as well and haven't seen it as an attachment.

If it's not been made public yet, hopefully the press will petition the court to release it, as they have in other cases.

[Butterfly Girl]

Mr. Ramirez joined the police department in 1983 and became lieutenant in 1991. He was arrested Feb. 11 and released from jail on a $100,000 surety bond.

Active members of the Ohio Police and Fire Pension Fund with more than 25 years of service still receive a pension if convicted of a felony, said Dave Graham, spokesman for the agency.

A court could order restitution against the funds, he said.

Mr. Ramirez received $88,674 in base pay and about $8,300 in overtime last year.


Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2015/0...yMxeMKt.99

[HairOfTheDog]

Today's Blade article on Ramirez's resignation touches on your pension inquiry, Duchess.

Full Story: http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2015/0...enant.html

Snip:
Active members of the Ohio Police and Fire Pension Fund with more than 25 years of service still receive a pension if convicted of a felony, said Dave Graham, spokesman for the agency.

A court could order restitution against the funds, he said.

Mr. Ramirez received $88,674 in base pay and about $8,300 in overtime last year.

[Butterfly Girl]

https://www.facebook.com/wtol11/photos/a...81/?type=1

Tiffany Williams.... He should suffer like I have to
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[Duchess]

Today's Blade article on Ramirez's resignation touches on your pension inquiry, Duchess.

After I read about 4 former cops receiving their pensions after being filmed snorting coke & discharging their weapons into a ceiling I knew the chances of Lt. Ramirez receiving his was a very good possibility.

[imsuchawildflower]

I was reading that the union contracts make sure they receive their pension...the part that they've paid in. The part that the city has paid in can be revoked for restitution. I'd bet the cost to take that bit of money from him would cost more than the money they'd get, though.

[Duchess]

Here is some more info I received. Maytee is in some deep shit. Felony assault with a firearm...at least that's how I read it to be and I could be wrong.

Public Documents LUCAS COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
J. BERNIE QUILTER, CLERK
700 ADAMS STREET
TOLEDO, OHIO
TIME: 5:53:32 PM
DATE: 2/20/2015

CASE: G -4801 -CR -201501293-000
TITLE: S/O V MAYTEE CLARKE ET AL
JUDGE: GENE A. ZMUDA
FILING DATE: 2/19/2015 CASE TYPE: CR CRIMINAL
MONETARY AMOUNT: DOCKET/PAGE:
ORIGINAL COURT: TAX TYPE:
PREVIOUS CASE NUMBER: STATE OF OHIO NUMBER:
Party Counsel Prosecutor
DEFENDANT 1:
CLARKE MAYTEE
429 DANBERRY ST
TOLEDO, OH 43609 JEROME PHILLIPS
4192556070
420 MADSION STE 1101
TOLEDO, OH 43604
DEFENDANT 2:
RAMIREZ FRANK
5925 TETHERWOOD DR
TOLEDO, OH 43613 JON D. RICHARDSON
4192416168
414 NORTH ERIE STREET
2^ND FLOOR
TOLEDO, OH 436040000
COUNT PARTY DESCRIPTION ABBREV.

1 (D -1)CLARKE MAYTEE FELONIOUS ASSAULT & 2941.145-FIREARM SPEC F2
2 (D -2)RAMIREZ FRANK FELONIOUS ASSAULT & 2941.145-FIREARM SPEC F2
3 (D -2)RAMIREZ FRANK TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE F3
4 (D -2)RAMIREZ FRANK OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE F3
DATE SEQ EVENT

2/20/2015 2 Title : FRM:CRM SUM-INDICT/PRNT EF5/13
PARTY : D1 - CLARKE MAYTEE
2/20/2015 3 Title : FRM:CRM SUM/INDICT ISS EFF5/13

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 4 Title : OPN:TOLEDO TRANSCRIPT FILED
FELONIOUS ASSAULT WEAPON OR ORDNANCE

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 5 Title : BND:TRANSCRIPT BOND
SURETY BOND ISSUED BY MUNICIPAL COURT
$100,000.00 POSTED BY WITTENBERG BAIL BONDS-GARY LEFEVER
POWER# AUL-2096949

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 6 Title : OPN:TOLEDO TRANSCRIPT FILED
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE DESTROY EVIDENCE/WITHOLD TESTIMONY

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 7 Title : BND:TRANSCRIPT BOND
SOR BOND ISSUED BY MUNICIPAL COURT

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 8 Title : OPN:TOLEDO TRANSCRIPT FILED
TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE ALTER DESTROY CONCEAL OR REMOVE
RECORD

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 9 Title : BND:TRANSCRIPT BOND
SOR BOND ISSUED BY MUNICIPAL COURT
PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK

2/20/2015 10 Title : OPN:ORIG INDICT BOOKED
FEL. ASSAULT WITH FIREARM SPEC.

PARTY : D1 - CLARKE MAYTEE
2/20/2015 11 Title : BND:NO BOND SET (CLERKS)

PARTY : D1 - CLARKE MAYTEE
2/20/2015 13 Title : OPN:INDICTMENT FILED
FEL. ASSAULT W/ FIREARM SPEC.
TAMPERING W/ EVIDENCE
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE

PARTY : D2 - RAMIREZ FRANK
2/20/2015 15 Title : JREENDING CR CASE-NEW FILING
SYSTEM GENERATED JUDGE: DUHART
PURSUANT TO AMENDED LOCAL RULE 4.02 EFFECTIVE 2/2/15
CASE REASSIGNED TO JUDGE: ZMUDA
DUE TO DEFENDANT HAVING THE FOLLOWING ACTIVE PRE SENTENCE
OR PROBATION CASE: CR201501022
PARTY : -

[Duchess]

...aaaaand some more -

CRA-15-02070-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE C 12/20/1970 FELONIOUS ASSAULT WEAPON OR ORDNANCE

Journal Details
Date Activity Record
02/11/2015 Complaint filed 02/11/2015 03:52, probable cause found. Warrant to issue. Clerk entry
View Scanned Document
02/20/2015 OPEN WARRANT ordered withdrawn. JUDGE WAGNER
02/20/2015 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE WAGNER

[Butterfly Girl]

...aaaaand some more -

CRA-15-02070-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE C 12/20/1970 FELONIOUS ASSAULT WEAPON OR ORDNANCE

Journal Details
Date Activity Record
02/11/2015 Complaint filed 02/11/2015 03:52, probable cause found. Warrant to issue. Clerk entry
View Scanned Document
02/20/2015 OPEN WARRANT ordered withdrawn. JUDGE WAGNER
02/20/2015 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE WAGNER

I think they're fucking dropping charges against her! or maybe the obstructing justice ones I dont see them on the other one although it does say indictment Nolle prosequi entered / indictment.