(05-21-2011, 04:36 PM)IMaDick Wrote: So the UN is the defining factor, I thought you said it was a human right not an imposed guideline?
please clarify your position because as of right now you have a UN directive confused with a God given right.
No I don't. I think the UN is more relevant than God when it comes to defining human rights policy, don't you? The UN is the principal organization involved in defining human rights. They actually have little power when it comes to imposing those guidelines though -- this is why the US (and Canada to some degree) often do not follow them.
(05-21-2011, 04:12 PM)melrose Wrote: I believe that education is a human right
I believe in an education, I think knowledge is power & I'll call someone out on being a lazy bastard because I think much of stupidity stems from simple laziness & lack of drive/ambition. I don't believe in taking America's resources & educating illegals, if one is an illegal they are not entitled to anything free in America. Period.
(05-21-2011, 04:37 PM)melrose Wrote: Keep in mind that part of the reason for the low number of "illegal" immigrants is that we have some of the most liberal immmigration policies in the world. People don't have to be illegal.
Ba-zing.
And dick takes another heavy right cross to the jaw.
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(05-21-2011, 04:37 PM)melrose Wrote: Keep in mind that part of the reason for the low number of "illegal" immigrants is that we have some of the most liberal immmigration policies in the world. People don't have to be illegal.
Ignorance is no excuse.
Canada wants cheap assed labor, the ones who get in are brought in based on skills and necessity for canadas work force.
read it for yourself.
In the economic category, the 2011 immigration plan of Canada balances predictable admissions between federally and provincially selected workers to gather Canada’s national and regional labor market needs. Provincial programs assist deal out the benefits of immigrant’s crossways the entire country. Twenty-five percent of economic immigrants are now intended for provinces other than Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec, contrast to 11 percent in 1997.
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(05-21-2011, 04:37 PM)melrose Wrote: Keep in mind that part of the reason for the low number of "illegal" immigrants is that we have some of the most liberal immmigration policies in the world. People don't have to be illegal.
Ba-zing.
And dick takes another heavy right cross to the jaw.
I don't think so bezerko.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
(05-21-2011, 04:40 PM)melrose Wrote: I think the UN is more relevant than God when it comes to defining human rights policy, don't you?
You might regret saying that, Jebus is set to return on his long awaited comeback tour in about an hour and quarter, he'll be wanting a private chat with you.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
(05-21-2011, 04:36 PM)IMaDick Wrote: So the UN is the defining factor, I thought you said it was a human right not an imposed guideline?
please clarify your position because as of right now you have a UN directive confused with a God given right.
No I don't. I think the UN is more relevant than God when it comes to defining human rights policy, don't you? The UN is the principal organization involved in defining human rights. They actually have little power when it comes to imposing those guidelines though -- this is why the US (and Canada to some degree) often do not follow them.
Fuck the UN, they have no clue about human rights.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
(05-21-2011, 04:44 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: You might regret saying that, Jebus is set to return on his long awaited comeback tour in about an hour and quarter, he'll be wanting a private chat with you
haha.
Dick, I'm not sure I understand your point that ignorance is no excuse. For what? Yes, I understand that immigration in Canada (as elsewhere) is largely based on ability to contribute the workforce and economy, but I'm not really following what this has to do with your feelings about education and fucking the UN.
Please never expect a cohesive opinion or rational debate from dick, he is basically a right wing doll with a drawstring that you pull on for a variety of GOP cliches to spew forth.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
The United States does not get to vet the illegals as to the potential to help our country, the majority remain a burden on the tax payer, education costs money, educating the world does not fall under the US immigration policy anymore than it falls under canadas immigration plan.
Your stating that most of the immigrants to canukville are legal is ignorant, your government carefully screens the immigrants that are allowed in to make sure they are usable assets.
It is still illegal to cross canadas border anywhere but through proper channels.
now do you want to talk about the limited immigration numbers canada has imposed on the rest of the world?
UN decree my ass, if that was the case your government would not be able to impose a 250.000 limit this year.
educate yourself and come back when you're no longer ignorant.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
I freakin' love Canada & spent a tremendous amount of time there, I considered the St. Lawrence my playground growing up. Quebec is my favorite place in all the land. Ah, nostalgia. *sigh*
(05-21-2011, 04:56 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Please never expect a cohesive opinion or rational debate from dick, he is basically a right wing doll with a drawstring that you pull on for a variety of GOP cliches to spew forth.
I don't think so bezerko, AKA delusional psychosis boy.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
(05-21-2011, 04:56 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Please never expect a cohesive opinion or rational debate from dick, he is basically a right wing doll with a drawstring that you pull on for a variety of GOP cliches to spew forth.
I don't think so bezerko, AKA delusional psychosis boy.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
(05-21-2011, 05:00 PM)IMaDick Wrote: The United States does not get to vet the illegals as to the potential to help our country, the majority remain a burden on the tax payer, education costs money, educating the world does not fall under the US immigration policy anymore than it falls under canadas immigration plan.
Your stating that most of the immigrants to canukville are legal is ignorant, your government carefully screens the immigrants that are allowed in to make sure they are usable assets.
It is still illegal to cross canadas border anywhere but through proper channels....
I think you're conflating immigration policy with the question about illegal immigrants, which this post was about. The people who are considered 'illegal' immigrants sending their kids to school are usually not the ones immigrating under normal legal channels in the US or in Canada. If we're talking about legal immigration, yes, the American govt. does have the right, as much as the Canadian govt. does, to decide who can and cannot get into the country.
What's interesting about what you're saying though, is that I think it reflects how differences in attitude about immigrants (legal and illegal) may be tied to differences in these different policies. (There was a good article about this in the Economist just yesterday, if you're interested). The gist of it is that in Canada, immigration policy favors skilled workers and institutes training programs and education for immigrants. We also have a general attitude that immigration is good for the economy, despite there also being a lot of immigrants (legal and illegal) who end up on welfare and creating other costs for regular tax payers and citizens. The US policies are very different and do not place as much emphasis on skill and education, and there is a huge problem with undocumented workers where the debate is mainly about tolerating or deporting them. No doubt this contributes to the feeling that immigrants (in general) are a burden.
Anyway, the fact that there are less illegal immigrants immigrants in Canada does, in part, have to do with the fact that we have more liberal immigration and refugee laws than the US. But the other obvious point here is that it we do not border a poor country, but a country where people are raised to believe their country is the best in the world and anyone would be a fool to leave it. (We're fine with that, by the way ) I would imagine that Americans living in North Dakota might sympathize more with Canada's policies than someone living in Texas because the degree to which illegal immigrants impact the local economy and life is very different.
Illegal immigrants impact this country on the national level, our school system is under the DOE.
it makes no difference if you have 5 in your city or 5 million, every american pays the taxes that support them, locally is whole nother can of worms that you're not prepared to deal with.
Like I said you're speaking from a position of ignorance" I'm rapidly changing that opinion to that of stupid" the more you write about your bullshit socialistic system in canada.
The simple fact is it's illegal to border jump canada just like it is here. illegal aliens are just that illegal, they have no rights, or privileges in this country or yours.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
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) I would imagine that Americans living in North Dakota might sympathize more with Canada's policies than someone living in Texas because the degree to which illegal immigrants impact the local economy and life is very different.