Did the ancients know more than we do?

[Cynical Ninja]

[Cracker]

Fuck you cracker, where do you think smokey the bear came from?

Right here in my desert forest that's where.

I remember the story. Forest fire, baby bear in a tree, burned his little paws. I just don't know when he learned to talk and why he wears dungarees.

Does Smokey Bear shit in the woods?

Where did Woodsy Owl come from? (I know you aren't supposed to end a sentence in a preposition.)

I didn't know this:

To understand how Smokey Bear became associated with forest fire prevention, we must go back to World War II. On December 7, 1941, Japanese planes attacked Pearl Harbor. The following spring in 1942, a Japanese submarine surfaced near the coast of Southern California and fired a salvo of shells that exploded on an oil field near Santa Barbara, very close to the Los Padres National Forest. Americans throughout the country were shocked by the news that the war had now been brought directly to the American mainland. There was concern that further attacks could bring a disastrous loss of life and destruction of property. There was also a fear that enemy incendiary shells exploding in the timber stands of the Pacific Coast could easily set off numerous raging forest fires. With experienced firefighters and other able-bodied men engaged in the armed forces, the home communities had to deal with the forest fires as best they could. Protection of these forests became a matter of national importance, and a new idea was born. If people could be urged to be more careful, perhaps some of the fires could be prevented.

With this is mind, the Forest Service organized the Cooperative Forest Fire Prevention Campaign with the help of the Wartime Advertising Council.

Posters and slogans were created by the Advertising Council, including "Forest Fires Aid the Enemy," and "Our Carelessness, Their Secret Weapon." By using catchy phrases, colorful posters and other fire prevention messages, the Advertising Council suggested that people could prevent accidental fires and help win the war.

[IMaDick]

http://www.smokeybear.com/vault/story_main.asp

[thekid65]

Nothing has changed, we just use a slide rule, calculator,and mechanical engineering to achieve the same thing a string with a knot tied in it and a water level, an abacus and soap stone was doing thousands of years ago.



technology is not always the advancement of knowledge but simply an application tool used to make it easier for lazy fucks to do the work.

I forget which ancient building it was they were discussing (one of the ones in Greece/Rome) in a documentary I watched a couple weeks ago, but they were discussing the precision of the curves on the columns, and other mathematical aspects that had to be done during construction. It was very interesting seeing them trying to re-create how it could have been done thousands of years ago.They were trying to restore the building columns (each column was made up of several pieces stacked on each other). They think they figured how it was done, and were able to re-create it using tools available during the time period. But they still needed a crane that was capable of lifting the several tons in order sections to get them into place.

That's the type of stuff that amazes me..the immense weight of the stones they used to build the ancient structures, and how they were able to move them.

[IMaDick]

They used their space ships.

They weren't ignorant to fulcrums. They also had massive amounts of slave labor.

[Maggot]

Clad believes they used water.

[IMaDick]

Which is the other weightless medium aside from space that is known to man.

[Lady Cop]

Kid: I forget which ancient building it was they were discussing (one of the ones in Greece/Rome)

it was the Parthenon. Athens, Greece.

[BlueTiki]

it was the Parthenon. Athens, Greece.

Visual trickery for esthetic’s sake.

Absolute mathematical genius!

"C'mon Aristotle . . . I'm never gonna use this math stuff in the real known world! We still have a supply of Jews . . . don't we?"

[Cracker]

"C'mon Aristotle . . . I'm never gonna use this math stuff in the real known world! We still have a supply of Jews . . . don't we?"

[cladking]

Where is my pyramid buddy? cladking, where are you?

Jeesh.

I gotta start checking in EVERY day here or these threads get away from me.

It's a great thead and I could spend hours commenting just on the first page.

I've finally got evidence for water to build pyramids that more people will consider solid evidence. I'll post it here after I write it up. It will be later this evening I think.

Just to save time catching up here it seems very apparent to me that not only did the ancients know more than we but they were somewhat smarter as well. They had to do everything without chemical plants and steel mills. Most people today who know much of anything are specialists and can't see the forest for the trees. Even specialists have a tendency to greatly overrate their knowledge and intelligence. People simply mistake consciousness for intelligence. If people today were plunked down into a primeval forest most of us wouldn't live long enough to even learn how to swing from trees or find a cave to live in.
Great thread.

Later...

[cladking]

Where is my pyramid buddy? cladking, where are you?

hahahaha right after i read this thread earlier i emailed it to him, he'll be here.

I'm running in low gear tonight.

[cladking]

Do you think cladking is really 21? Because I can't decide if that is creepy or not.

If you're old enough to vote and enter into contracts does it really matter if you're 21 or 91?

[Cracker]

If you're old enough to vote and enter into contracts does it really matter if you're 21 or 91?

Sexually? Yes. Don't want to have to figure out if someone is passed out or dead. haha

Can't wait to read your new evidence. I think modern man is distracted. We have too much to do. We can't sit around and think for years about stuff without being interrupted.

It would be nice to speak all the old languages so you could translate all the old writings youself. Not that there are a lot of primary sources left. Religion saw to the destruction of most soft writings. Good thing people put stuff down on stone.

I can't picture your mind in a 21 year old body, but I'll give it a shot if you want.

[cladking]

meh...not just math...but also construction. I don't know if it's "do they know more than we" but there are so many ancient monuments that to this day, puzzle us on how they were constructed..not only physically, but with such mathematical precision.

The attitude of specialists about the great pyramids simply astounds me. Everywhere they look they see only artefacts of religious beliefs. Most won't even give the Great Pyramid builders the benefit of having mathematics beyond the most primitive sorts. Planning and executing this job would have required vast knowledge of math and the abilities of their tools and men. Primityive bumpkins can't just go wander into the desert and start stacking up 480' piles of stone with perfect alignments and internal features. They had to have infrastructure to build these yet they see only temples and religious artefacts. The builders wrote of a "Great Saw Palace" yet modern scholars believe this was a place to butcher cattle! Without refrigeration they certainly didn't have central meat packing and they had to cut those millions of stones somewhere. The God Set was said to power this saw palace but I suppose this is assumed to mean the God guided the butcher's hand.

[cladking]

Nothing has changed, we just use a slide rule, calculator,and mechanical engineering to achieve the same thing a string with a knot tied in it and a water level, an abacus and soap stone was doing thousands of years ago.



technology is not always the advancement of knowledge but simply an application tool used to make it easier for lazy fucks to do the work.

Exactly.

People jump in the car and think they know everything there is to know but ancient people had to use their knowledge to actually get things done. This might mean understanding the principles of sailing or knowing where the sandbars were.

Everything is pretty easy today and things get increasingly idiotproof to the point where pilots don't even fly the planes any longer. As long as the computer works and nothing breaks you're OK.

[cladking]

Can't wait to read your new evidence. I think modern man is distracted. We have too much to do. We can't sit around and think for years about stuff without being interrupted.

We have a lot of problems that the ancients didn't share. I think the biggest is our specialization; nobody seems to see the big picture. We probably don't think like the ancients. I believe the ancients used common sense to develop writing and natural law to invent their Gods. Then they thought in terms of these Gods. It's a complicated concept until you get used to it but the beauty is that thought is faster. Also it makes miscommunication improbabe. You might often not be understood but you'll rarely be misunderstood. Today we always think we understand one another but in actuality communication is never perfect and usually poor.

We're distracted a lot by our modern conveniences but also out preconcieved ideas and poor communication.

I was about ready to start learning the heiroglyphs but backed off since there are severl higher priorities in solving this still. I don't think translation here is going to be key anyway. Mercer translated what exists as well as it can be done probably until it is understood. It's mostly a matter that no one wants to believe what the authors actually said. "The earth is high under the sky by means of thine arms Tefnut". If you solve the work for "Tefnut" than you'll learn she is the Goddess of Downward. "Osiris tows the earth by means of balance in his name of Seker." If you solve for Osiris he is the geyser and Seker is the name of Osiris when he sits in the []nw-boat (the counterweight).

I've been around a while. They've changed the name of Peking about seven times in my life time.

I'll wager the Chinese never changed their maps or styationary even once. But they get those silly Americans jumping through hoops.

[Cracker]

Effen Americans. I don't know what we are going to do about them.

If the world would just say, "The boundaries we have NOW are the final World Boundaries for each country" we could get back to being constructive. If you don't like the laws or customs in one country or region, go somewhere else. We just can't, though, because of our greed and our tendency to be tied to every past situation and attached to things that don't matter. A little Tao would do the Western world a lot of good. I'm not sure what would help the Eastern world as half of it already has Tao and other half has Allah.

We have lost a lot of our abilities to deal with figurative language. We took all the good old stories and made them FACT and we will not be deterred from this belief. It closes off a lot of original intention.

Our use of symbolism has degenerated to only being familiar with the golden arches and the Nike swoosh. Even though education is widely available, we don't have a larger proportion of our society aware of concepts like the golden mean than the ancients did. Most people don't care. They don't want to understand the world around them because they are busy doing other things. I had to let go of half of my worldly belongings to free up time. That seems crazy to people who spend all day trying to get MORE things.

Puma Punku amazes me as much as anything the ancients did. How the hell did they do that? They say the edges on the stones are so sharp they will cut you.

[Duchess]

We can't sit around and think for years about stuff without being interrupted.

Shit. I wouldn't even ask for years, I'd be happy with one day, just one day to think about everything that's in my head. I can't do it because I don't have time, it gets shoved back down waiting, waiting, waiting for another opportunity that never comes. I have a lot of things on my mind, damnit.

[Cracker]

Shit. I wouldn't even ask for years, I'd be happy with one day, just one day to think about everything that's in my head. I can't do it because I don't have time, it gets shoved back down waiting, waiting, waiting for another opportunity that never comes. I have a lot of things on my mind, damnit.

You should make time to think EVERY DAY. Stress will kill you. People have to have time to digest data and make sense of things. If you don't take that time, you are causing yourself great harm.

Here, honey, do your I Ching. Take five minutes to yourself:

http://www.way-of-tao.com/pages/oracle-i-ching.php