Celina Cass, 11. N.H. deceased

[LytoMe]

So my question is this, are ANY of the "male species" living in that home Registered Sex Offenders? I understand they have been charged with sexual crimes, but at any of them registered? I don't remember seeing if they were in fact registered.

HellNurse, are you personally familiar with the people involved? I also feel sorry for this father, he is very sick from what I understand. Unable to care for himself, let alone a little girl. Just sad, and if he has such a heart condition they are going to have to really medicate that poor man. Losing a child is hard on the heart. ALSO, I LOVE your insight. haha When it comes to movie references I was thinking more along the lines of "the hills have eyes". Scary Shit!!!

[LytoMe]

Whoever is posting the Facebook site asking for donations is an embarrassment to this entire family. Someone should bind and gag her fingers. The poor sick dad probably has no idea what is going on there. The mom certainly doesn't know.

Do you have the link? AND what was the creeper stepfreak's last post???

[HairOfTheDog]

Great find about the decomp speed that occurs under water--half the time if not warm water....wow.

I'm thinking the AAG had a good idea of cause of death the day they pulled the body from the river. Never seen Jane Young choke up before. In a way, guess it's good for Celina that she was dumped in water - first visual inspection probably gave LE more information to run with than if she'd been dry. Though water could diminish some DNA sources. MAN I wish we'd get an update..

And, I agree. If this doesn't end up being sexually motivated, Wendell looks like a stronger suspect to me. He was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, so possibly he went off his meds and got violent. IDK...

[HairOfTheDog]

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So my question is this, are ANY of the "male species" living in that home Registered Sex Offenders? I understand they have been charged with sexual crimes, but at any of them registered? I don't remember seeing if they were in fact registered.
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I don't think anyone known to be living in the house has ever been charged with sexual assault. Wendell was charged with violating a restraining order and threatening to throw an ex girlfriend down the stairs on a mattress. Kevin M was convicted for car theft.

As far as we know, the 2 sex offenders were not living in the home and are non-compliant (assuming that means they did not register or moved and did not update address)...

[LytoMe]

"As for as we know, the 2 sex offenders were not living in the home and are non-compliant (assuming that means they did not register or moved and did not update address)... "

Non-Compliant means that whatever he agreed to do at sentencing...probation, evaluations, drug screens, fines, registering, etc....he did not do!! AND if that is the case a court date is usually scheduled to review with the Judge WHY, and if they do not show up a nice little warrant is issued. SO my question now would be, is there any outstanding warrants on these men?
(Well that is what it means in NJ)

[HairOfTheDog]

Non-Compliant means that whatever he agreed to do at sentencing...probation, evaluations, drug screens, fines, registering, etc....he did not do!! AND if that is the case a court date is usually scheduled to review with the Judge WHY, and if they do not show up a nice little warrant is issued. SO my question now would be, is there any outstanding warrants on these men?
(Well that is what it means in NJ)

Yep, I'd like to know about warrants too. Also like to know if either of these fine gentlemen has been arrested on charges unrelated to Celina since she was located. Figure we'd have heard about it if a sex offender relative of a presumed murdered little girl was subsequently incarcerated, but we're not hearing much of anything in the press and LE is not releasing anything yet. Hopeful that means they have a good idea as to who and what and are compiling all the evidence for charges and/or a Grand Jury is underway.

[HairOfTheDog]

HellNurse,

I think the rate of decomp is half the time if submerged in water, regardless of the temperature.

If a body is submerged in cold water, it will decompose at half the rate of a dry body in cold air temps.
If a body is submerged in warm water, it will decompose at half the rate of a dry body in warm air temps.
So, a dry body in a warm climate could actually decompose more than twice as fast as a body submerged in cold water.

That's my interpretation of the poorly worded info I could dig up anyway...

[HellNurse]

So my question is this, are ANY of the "male species" living in that home Registered Sex Offenders? I understand they have been charged with sexual crimes, but at any of them registered? I don't remember seeing if they were in fact registered.

HellNurse, are you personally familiar with the people involved? I also feel sorry for this father, he is very sick from what I understand. Unable to care for himself, let alone a little girl. Just sad, and if he has such a heart condition they are going to have to really medicate that poor man. Losing a child is hard on the heart. ALSO, I LOVE your insight. haha When it comes to movie references I was thinking more along the lines of "the hills have eyes". Scary Shit!!!

Because their house might have been a "party stable", there is no telling if RSO were in and out there, but the Kevin guy living with them was not a RSO.

No, I don't know any of these people. I have vacationed there and in northern Vermont (skiing) and I took an interest for that reason.

Yeah, the dad must have experienced cardiac arrest from a massive myocardial infarction to have been put in a medically induced coma. Where I have worked, they also put these patients into a 24 hour severe cooling stage with chilled saline IV and other methods to help prevent brain cell death from the lack of oxygen event (the cardiac arrest). The slang medical term is called "dunking" where I live....("drown" the patient in icy cold water). The patient must be put into a coma to tolerate the cold temp their body will be lowered to....around 90-92 degrees F. They are only kept in this cold temp for 24 hours and then gradually warmed. You have probably read about this same procedure to protect brain cells being done with drowning victims who have been found dead, but were resuscitated. I keep waiting to hear more info about the dad's prolonged stay in the hospital, but there is only silence. He looks very weak. I hope he lives to see the killer of his daughter brought to justice.

[HellNurse]

HellNurse,

I think the rate of decomp is half the time if submerged in water, regardless of the temperature.

If a body is submerged in cold water, it will decompose at half the rate of a dry body in cold air temps.
If a body is submerged in warm water, it will decompose at half the rate of a dry body in warm air temps.
So, a dry body in a warm climate could actually decompose more than twice as fast as a body submerged in cold water.

That's my interpretation of the poorly worded info I could dig up anyway...

I appreciate you finding that information.

[HellNurse]

Whoever is posting the Facebook site asking for donations is an embarrassment to this entire family. Someone should bind and gag her fingers. The poor sick dad probably has no idea what is going on there. The mom certainly doesn't know.

Do you have the link? AND what was the creeper stepfreak's last post???

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Celina-cas...9868772815
This cousin of the dad needs to figure out how to use spellcheck in a REALLY bad way. You have to have SEVERE dyslexia to not be able to spell "does". Kinda sad, actually.

Norman Bates (aka WN possibly) posted about 45 minutes after he supposedly realized that Celina was gone. He posted to some chick that he lived in Canaan instead of where he really lived (Stewartstown). Maybe he is so messed up in the head that he didn't know where he was? I did read that Canaan is only a few miles away from where he really was.

[HairOfTheDog]

Norman Bates (aka WN possibly) posted about 45 minutes after he supposedly realized that Celina was gone. He posted to some chick that he lived in Canaan instead of where he really lived (Stewartstown). Maybe he is so messed up in the head that he didn't know where he was? I did read that Canaan is only a few miles away from where he really was.

Gordon "Lewd and Lacivious" Noyes's criminal record lists his last known address as Canaan. Had me wondering if possibly Wendell let his child rapist brother use his name and profile to make connections in Canaan. Maybe child predators have restrictions against using social media (or their POs are supposed to monitor it). It doesn't add up with me that Wendell was casually posting on FB when the house was in panic and the cops were presumably there or en route. Could be someone else was posting under his name from a different location (or even in the same house), someone who really did live in Canaan. Or, maybe Wendell is just stupid and cold... Just speculating...

[HellNurse]

Norman Bates (aka WN possibly) posted about 45 minutes after he supposedly realized that Celina was gone. He posted to some chick that he lived in Canaan instead of where he really lived (Stewartstown). Maybe he is so messed up in the head that he didn't know where he was? I did read that Canaan is only a few miles away from where he really was.

Gordon "Lewd and Lacivious" Noyes's criminal record lists his last known address as Canaan. Had me wondering if possibly Wendell let his child rapist brother use his name and profile to make connections in Canaan. Maybe child predators have restrictions against using social media (or their POs are supposed to monitor it). It doesn't add up with me that Wendell was casually posting on FB when the house was in panic and the cops were presumably there or en route. Could be someone else was posting under his name from a different location (or even in the same house), someone who really did live in Canaan. Or, maybe Wendell is just stupid and cold... Just speculating...

Exactly. It doesn't add up. All of those friends were spamming items except for three.

Maybe Norman Bates-ter was so out of it that he didn't know those were spam facebook sites and he just thought sexy women liked him? He might have been so out of it that he actually was on FB while everyone else was freaking out the Celina was missing. Creepy.

[Lady Cop]

Boston Globe

CONCORD, N.H.—New Hampshire investigators hope to have lab results from toxicology tests within two weeks, potentially shedding light on how a missing 11-year-old died.

Lead prosecutor Jane Young said Thursday she anticipates no developments in the Celina Cass case in the immediate future.

Celina was last seen at her Stewartstown home -- near the borders of Canada and Vermont -- the night of July 25. Her body was recovered from the Connecticut River a week later, about a quarter-mile from her home.

An autopsy failed to determine how she died. Investigators got search warrants to comb her house and family's vehicles for clues.

failed to determine or not telling?

[HellNurse]

I think they got the second search warrant to go back inside and look for the scissors, knife, hammer, or instrument that Norman Bates-ish used to attack her. Why did they need a search warrant anyway? Did LN not give them permission to go back inside after they found Celina's body?

[HairOfTheDog]

I think they got the second search warrant to go back inside and look for the scissors, knife, hammer, or instrument that Norman Bates-ish used to attack her. Why did they need a search warrant anyway? Did LN not give them permission to go back inside after they found Celina's body?

You're probably right Nurse. Once they found the body and deemed it a "suspicious death" based on visual inspection, LE would have a better idea about what type of weapon they were looking for if Celina had wounds. If she was really wrapped in a blanket, they might be looking for matching blankets, pillow cases, duct tape or clips... At the time it became an official criminal investigation, guessing LE would want warrants for all searches (which shouldn't be hard to get). Everything documented.

Would love to know what was in those 'barrels of evidence" removed from the house...Based on the update LC posted above, it might take weeks before we hear anything more.

[HellNurse]

In addition to all of her bedding, I wonder if the barrels contained Norman Bates-ish's long diaries of how he was being persecuted or followed by the popo. Paranoid schizos David Berkowitz and Ted Kaczynski had numerous long journals of really freaky shit.

[HairOfTheDog]

In addition to all of her bedding, I wonder if the barrels contained Norman Bates-ish's long diaries of how he was being persecuted or followed by the popo. Paranoid schizos David Berkowitz and Ted Kaczynski had numerous long journals of really freaky shit.

Hmm, could be an interesting read (or not)!

Being prone to paranoia and then actually being watched and suspected could make Wendell act very odd, like he did in the driveway. He might have been on his meds and acting fairly normal for a long time before Celina went missing. I"m suspicious of him (especially if he was off his meds), but no moreso than the rest of the family, the Noyes SOs, Kevin M, and frequent visitors to the house. Too many possible suspects for me to be convinced yet that Wendell went all freaky and killed Celina. But, he's among the top 4 on my suspect list. And I do think there are accomplices (at least in a cover-up capacity). Just my opinions.

[HellNurse]

In addition to all of her bedding, I wonder if the barrels contained Norman Bates-ish's long diaries of how he was being persecuted or followed by the popo. Paranoid schizos David Berkowitz and Ted Kaczynski had numerous long journals of really freaky shit.

Hmm, could be an interesting read (or not)!

Being prone to paranoia and then actually being watched and suspected could make Wendell act very odd, like he did in the driveway. He might have been on his meds and acting fairly normal for a long time before Celina went missing. I"m suspicious of him (especially if he was off his meds), but no moreso than the rest of the family, the Noyes SOs, Kevin M, and frequent visitors to the house. Too many possible suspects for me to be convinced yet that Wendell went all freaky and killed Celina. But, he's among the top 4 on my suspect list. And I do think there are accomplices (at least in a cover-up capacity). Just my opinions.

Schizophrenics are known for not taking their medicines. They quickly decide that they do not have schizophrenia and they just stop taking them. Only like 25% of them will still be on their medicines two years after being put on antipsychotic medicines. These 25% will, of course, be the ones that have educated and assertive family members (not seeing this in WN's case).

Yeah, there are a lot of sickos that were familiar with Celina's family. Her life was at risk with all these icks and the party stable atmosphere.

[HairOfTheDog]

Celina Cass death draws more than a dozen investigators
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110.../708129989

Investigators have reviewed and categorized an estimated 539 leads received so far on the case, Young said.

“New information continues to come in as recently as the last few hours,” she said.

This article was updated last night and published at 3 a.m. Maybe more locals have started talking if Louisa and Kayla have left Stewartstown? There's a local band arranging a concert to raise money for them to pay the funeral home and support their moving expenses. On their Facebook wall, the bands claims that Celina's mom and sister have already moved to leave their nightmare behind. No mention of others who were living in the house...
https://www.facebook.com/knotomorrowband?sk=wall

[HellNurse]

That's an interesting article. I don't doubt that they wouldn't want to go back to the house where Celina disappeared, but could it mean that they left because they need to escape from someone? Did the psych hospital release WN? (Gawwwwwwd....how would you deal with the fear that your schizophrenic husband, who might have murdered your child, was being discharged and returning to your city....yikes!

If you read that she moved her daughter and herself down to Concord (where WN is hospitalized), we might need to form a rescue posse for Celina's sister.
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