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SOCIOPATHS
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11-10-2011, 02:16 PM
I didn't want to take the J & L thread off topic but I have questions about behavior... How do people get to the frame of mind it would take to murder someone in that manner? I don't understand that lifestyle many of them appear to be living. It's like they have no soul. I don't see empathy for others either in their character. ![[Image: Zy3rKpW.png]](https://i.imgur.com/Zy3rKpW.png)
11-10-2011, 02:24 PM
they have to be sociopaths, no conscience. and as you said, no empathy. add drugs and it's a deadly combination.
11-10-2011, 02:29 PM
I called it the wrong thing so I'm going to change the title. This interests me, I have a sick fascination with this topic.
11-10-2011, 02:32 PM
you weren't wrong. PSYCHOPATHS could also be applicable. many use the terms interchangeably, although i think definitions may be different.
11-10-2011, 03:09 PM
They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. And then lie to cover their tracks as easy as can be.
Devil Money Stealing Aunt
11-10-2011, 03:51 PM
(11-10-2011, 03:09 PM)ramseycat Wrote: They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. I'd like to know how people get to "that place" in their minds. What makes someone like that?
11-10-2011, 04:19 PM
(11-10-2011, 03:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:(11-10-2011, 03:09 PM)ramseycat Wrote: They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. IMO, some are simply born evil... literally no qualms whatsoever in torturing, or killing another. Usually there are signs early in life. They'll start with animals and move to humans later. I believe some become that way after they've been harmed/abused in some way. It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL, to find that coach Sandusky may have been sexually abused as a kid. He in turn ends up doing the same thing. Just my 2 cents. 
11-10-2011, 04:20 PM
(11-10-2011, 03:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:(11-10-2011, 03:09 PM)ramseycat Wrote: They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. You tell us. http://www.okcupid.com/quizzy/take
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11-10-2011, 04:24 PM
(11-10-2011, 03:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:(11-10-2011, 03:09 PM)ramseycat Wrote: They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. They realize they suck at picking mates, get fat, date kids right out of college, and pretend that drinking hot chocolate with them is charming.  
11-10-2011, 04:33 PM
(11-10-2011, 04:24 PM)Middle Finger Wrote:(11-10-2011, 03:51 PM)Duchess Wrote:(11-10-2011, 03:09 PM)ramseycat Wrote: They have no empathy for other people. No conscience. They will do whatever they can get away with no matter how much it might hurt other people. Seriously MF, run along now and let the adults talk. Clearly you have no intelligent comments to add to the discussion.
Devil Money Stealing Aunt
11-10-2011, 04:41 PM
(11-10-2011, 04:19 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL, to find that coach Sandusky may have been sexually abused as a kid. He in turn ends up doing the same thing. Me either...whether it truly happened or not I can see it being said that it did in order to try & garner some sympathy for him.
11-10-2011, 04:50 PM
Of course they are going to use the he was abused as a child defense. Fuckers.
I think some people are born sociopaths. Something isn't wired right in their brains. You see signs of it at a very young age. There are some people that WERE abused and then turn into crazy serial killers. But those usually have some remorse and go after someone like whoever abused them. Sociopaths are not always killers or rapists. But they will steal your last dollar and not feel the least bit bad about it. They feel NO remorse for anything. No obligation to follow the rules or laws. They will do anything they can as long as they get away with it. On the other hand though, if someone does something to them? It's a different story.
Devil Money Stealing Aunt
11-10-2011, 04:51 PM
It is one thing for one person to be psycho enough to do something like that but it is really mind-blowing that they can find at least one friend to do it with them. "Hey man, lets go put a bag over these bitches' heads!", and then actually do it!
I think with this crowd their socioeconimic backgrounds play a large role. They were probably raised with abuse and poverty. There is no shame in dropping out of school, having numerous kids out of wedlock, and getting by on public assistance for them because that is their world. I would be mortified if I was arrested or a friend was murdered but they are like "Free Cam!" and make up tacky t-shirts for their "soldiers God wanted back". I think I would truly rather die than live like they do, but that is because I know a much better life. They don't have much to live for so they don't have much to lose. They probably feel they got cheated in life somehow so that makes it ok to steal from and hurt people more fortunate. Quite possible that jealousy/anger over Johnny being with a nice girl from the right side of the tracks and living in that nice house escalated some fued into a brutal murder. 
11-10-2011, 05:19 PM
Ramseycat and Nina already made some really great points. Some are just "born that way" as in bad wiring, others are "taught" by their parents, and the rest are a product of the society they live in.
It is surprising how many sub-sects of our society do not think twice about stealing, violence or murder, (and all combination of the above), because they feel that they deserve to have the same amount of status/money/possessions as the next guy, without having to actually work for it. To many people, the criminal activity is their occupation. Think of it in terms of the Italian Mafia...the thieves and murderers, are just doing their "job". 
11-10-2011, 10:24 PM
I too think with this crowd their socioeconimic backgrounds played a large role.
Poverty, abuse,  jealousy/resentment of the well off, genetic desposition, drugs + perfect storm = psychopath.
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11-10-2011, 11:04 PM
In the 60's -70's this was called Character Disorder and Psych units would discharge these patients ASAP as they were considered untreatable.
NIH: Antisocial personality disorder Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal. Causes The causes of antisocial personality disorder are unknown. Genetic factors and child abuse are believed to contribute to the development of this condition. People with an antisocial or alcoholic parent are at increased risk. Far more men than women are affected. The condition is common in people who are in prison. Fire-setting and cruelty to animals during childhood are linked to the development of antisocial personality. Some people believe that psychopathic personality (psychopathy) is the same disorder. Others believe that psychopathic personality is a similar but more severe disorder A person with antisocial personality disorder may: Be able to act witty and charming Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions Break the law repeatedly Disregard the safety of self and others Have problems with substance abuse Lie, steal, and fight often Not show guilt or remorse Often be angry or arrogant Exams and Tests Like other personality disorders, antisocial personality disorder is diagnosed based on a psychological evaluation and the history and severity of symptoms. To be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, a person must have had conduct disorder during childhood. Treatment Antisocial personality disorder is one of the most difficult personality disorders to treat. People with this condition rarely seek treatment on their own. They may only start therapy when required to by a court. The effectiveness of treatment for antisocial personality disorder is not known. Treatments that show the person the negative consequences of illegal behavior seem to hold the most promise. Outlook (Prognosis) Symptoms tend to peak during the late teenage years and early 20s. They sometimes improve on their own by a person's 40s. Possible Complications Complications can include imprisonment, drug abuse, violence, and suicide. Alternative Names Sociopathic personality; Sociopathy; Personality disorder - antisocial http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...000921.htm
11-10-2011, 11:13 PM
I really question if poverty and childhood abuse creates a Psychopath.
BD Lisa Straub's ex-boyfriend is back in court for assault again another angry dude and he is not from an impoverished background, Scott Peterson was not from an impoverished background and he was so likable - a Psychopth hides his feelings much of the time, I think it's a very tricky situation trying to diagnose one. There is a book out there "Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us" this is a review on the book the SOBs are all around us!! Review as follows:- "Not all Psychopaths are criminals, nor do all of them turn physically violent. In truth most of them are our neighbors, friends, family members, spouses, and even our own children. Most Psychopaths stay so low key that it's hard (next to impossible) to pick up on what is happening until it's too late. By then you are in over your head, financially and emotionally devastated. I know, because I was a target of one of these people." Out of control rage and anger to me could be the trigger JMO.
"A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to let alone."
Henry David Thoreau 
11-11-2011, 03:21 AM
God I hope there are no sociopaths in my life. I don't want them in my life, I don't need them and I certainly didn't ask for one. How do you know if a sociopath is lurking? God save the Queen.
11-11-2011, 04:54 AM
(11-11-2011, 03:21 AM)aussiefriend Wrote: God I hope there are no sociopaths in my life. I don't want them in my life, I don't need them and I certainly didn't ask for one. How do you know if a sociopath is lurking? God save the Queen. Sounds like someone is not happy I am no longer paying them any attention. I suppose any attention is better than no attention to some sad and tragic lonely people.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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