Fucking Racist

[Sterling]

This rewards further investing because more investing means more monthly income for them while teaching concepts like making money your friend, growing money, seeing yourself as an owner, and developing your own income streams instead of depending upon bosses being seen as your only option.

Self-reliance and entrepreneurship are admirable teachings. However, at what age did you begin to educate your children regarding philanthropy? As demonstrated within this thread, self-reliance and sufficiency is more or less a last-resort than [that’s “then” for JsMom] a driving force for some members and their offspring. If not philanthropy, then [that’s “than” – again, for JsMom] please introduce them to Pareto’s Principle. You’re of Italian descent, yes? Prepare your decent children for the inevitable shock of demanded entitlement and special treatment [by many of their contemporaries] funded by the fruits of their labor.

[username]

My wife is an ESL teacher and they have their own classroom. It is amazing some of techniques they use. It helps that she knows french, german, spanish and latin, quite a bit of symbolism is used. Even the Asians learn, after one year alone they are fairly good at english.

Do you mind if I ask what grade, Maggot? Your wife sounds cool. I'd like to be bi-lingual much less multi-lingual. Good job marrying up.

I tried to find out on our district's website how they handle ESL students but couldn't find any information (if it's there, it's in Spanish). To my knowledge though, they don't have separate classes although maybe they get some time out of the regular classrooms to work on learning English.

Whenever our STAR test reports come out, there's a huge disparity between the ESL and non-ESL students. I found this little tidbit on the subject:

A study published last week by Californians Together, a civil rights coalition in support of English-learners, highlighted the significant gaps in public high schools across California, proving that our educational systems for English as Second Language students are severely lacking.

The study found that almost 60 percent of ESL students in California high schools have not achieved written proficiency in the language, even after six years of a U.S. education.

Though most of the polled students were bilingual citizens who preferred to speak English, the study showed that the disparity between speaking and reading comprehension was severe enough to jeopardize graduation in a majority of the cases.

We don't have the money to spend on these kids and yet, having them in regular classrooms isn't necessarily fair to the non-ESL students. We're fucked.

[Sterling]

My son has a very high IQ.

107 is not considered a high IQ. To you, with only a double-digit IQ, maybe - but not to the rest of the educated world.

[Maggot]

My wife is an ESL teacher and they have their own classroom. It is amazing some of techniques they use. It helps that she knows french, german, spanish and latin, quite a bit of symbolism is used. Even the Asians learn, after one year alone they are fairly good at english.

Do you mind if I ask what grade, Maggot? Your wife sounds cool. I'd like to be bi-lingual much less multi-lingual. Good job marrying up.

I tried to find out on our district's website how they handle ESL students but couldn't find any information (if it's there, it's in Spanish). To my knowledge though, they don't have separate classes although maybe they get some time out of the regular classrooms to work on learning English.

Whenever our STAR test reports come out, there's a huge disparity between the ESL and non-ESL students. I found this little tidbit on the subject:

A study published last week by Californians Together, a civil rights coalition in support of English-learners, highlighted the significant gaps in public high schools across California, proving that our educational systems for English as Second Language students are severely lacking.

The study found that almost 60 percent of ESL students in California high schools have not achieved written proficiency in the language, even after six years of a U.S. education.

Though most of the polled students were bilingual citizens who preferred to speak English, the study showed that the disparity between speaking and reading comprehension was severe enough to jeopardize graduation in a majority of the cases.

We don't have the money to spend on these kids and yet, having them in regular classrooms isn't necessarily fair to the non-ESL students. We're fucked.

Is making money off the system wrong?

[Middle Finger]

This rewards further investing because more investing means more monthly income for them while teaching concepts like making money your friend, growing money, seeing yourself as an owner, and developing your own income streams instead of depending upon bosses being seen as your only option.

Self-reliance and entrepreneurship are admirable teachings. However, at what age did you begin to educate your children regarding philanthropy?

Around 7 years old for all of those concepts, in some shape or form, on one level or another.

[username]

Is making money off the system wrong?

No but...is she teaching illegals?

[Cracker]

Hmmm, organic psychological problems can include emotional disorders.

"Anxiety (also called angst or worry) is a psychological and physiological state characterized by somatic, emotional, cognitive, and behavioral components".

My daughter has an anxiety disorder; her twin doesn't. She's in GATE, mostly A's with a B or two and isn't disruptive at school.

I agree that kids that are regularly out of line ought to be pulled out, rapped on the knuckles, whatever. I also think that kids that are slow learners ought to have their own classes (not only for the benefit of the "normal" kids but for their own benefit...it would suck to be the kid who is always failing next to his "peers").

Pretty much the only accomodation I ask for my daughter is the occasional extra time on a test when she's in "perfection" mode (and even that's rare--I'm fully aware that future employers won't give her extra time on projects).

You are getting EBD mixed up with kids who don't require the services. EBD is a pullout program for kids who can't function in a classroom. It takes quite a bit for a kid to get those services. They have to exhibit severe behavior disturbances like violence or complete lack of self-control (screaming, crying, throwing things, hurting others, cursing, sexual stuff, etc.).

Anxiety isn't EBD. Anxiety is just anxiety. ADHD is in that category, too. Some kids can't sit down and concentrate without medication. I know people get pissed when parents give their kids meds, but some kids really do need it and are "normal" when they are taking the meds. Your kid probably has a genetic tendency, unless you repeatedly forgot a kid at the mall or left the baby seat on top of the car a few times...

[Maggot]

Is making money off the system wrong?

No but...is she teaching illegals?

I dont believe so. There are quite a few from Cambodia and a bunch from Africa also a few Swedish. I guess the classes are very mixed. I believe it is a better system than when Ellis Island accepted tons of them. Hey......the way I look at it if they are willing and able to at least try and become functional thats cool. Another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is that the ones that make it in are usually the upper crust and are actually very smart. Do not confuse ignorance of a language with stupidity. These kids are the better ones and usually better behaved than the common Americans. Once a set of rules has become the law of the class and a few months have passed they are very pleasant.
She is tough at first but later after they know the rules they are cool. They hate her at first but like right now they are her little loyal army marching in and out of class.
She teaches K-5 but wants to deal with the teenagers in the future. I have no clue why as they will be tough.
She does not make much money as she just started But it is something she likes and has wanted to do this since she got out of H.S.

[Cracker]

39% of the students in my county are ELL. Most are illegal. You are lucky you are further away from Mexico because they don't usually send their best and brightest...

Your wife may want to wait and see what happens with NCLB before she moves up to older kids. They don't seem to bother with elementary schools, but they do take over high schools that don't make AYP for five years.

New Hampshire 2011 AYP:

Of the 469 school AYP reports released today, 131 schools (28%) made AYP in all areas measured and 327 (70%) did not make AYP in one or more areas. In addition, fourteen high schools missed the Graduation Rate target of 80%. Eleven of the 469 schools are receiving a small-school designation until AYP can be calculated. By subject area, 197 made AYP in reading, and 166 made AYP in mathematics.

Schools not making AYP for two consecutive years in the same area are designated a School in Need of Improvement (SINI). Based on the new results, 60 schools are identified as new Schools in Need of Improvement, increasing the total number of schools identified for improvement to 307. Schools not making AYP have 30 days to file an appeal with the State Department of Education.

Eleven schools in need of improvement made AYP for the second consecutive year, and therefore exited improvement status: Bridgewater-Hebron Elementary, Captain Douglass Academy (Brookline), Danbury Elementary, Gilsum Elementary, Lakeway Elementary (Littleton), Lisbon Regional Middle School, Loudon Elementary, Penacook Elementary, Symonds Elementary (Keene), Westmoreland Elementary and Woodsville Elementary.
To calculate AYP at the district level, student data is aggregated by grade span groupings: elementary/middle (grades 3-8) and high school (grade 11), and then compared to the performance targets in reading and mathematics. For the district to receive a negative AYP designation, both grade span groups must fail to make AYP in the same content area. Districts not making AYP for two consecutive years in the same content area are identified as districts in need of improvement.

Of the 161 AYP district reports issued, 54 districts made AYP and 104 did not make AYP, with three districts not receiving an AYP determination at this time. An analysis of the new results shows that two districts made AYP for the second consecutive year and exited improvement status: Brookline and Westmoreland Districts.
Twenty-four new districts are preliminarily identified as in need of improvement, increasing the number of districts in need of improvement to 87 (54%). The appeal process and timeline for districts is similar to the process provided for schools. In accordance with state and federal law, schools and districts identified as in need of improvement must develop plans focused on the area(s) which caused the designation.

[username]

You are getting EBD mixed up with kids who don't require the services. EBD is a pullout program for kids who can't function in a classroom. It takes quite a bit for a kid to get those services. They have to exhibit severe behavior disturbances like violence or complete lack of self-control (screaming, crying, throwing things, hurting others, cursing, sexual stuff, etc.).

Anxiety isn't EBD. Anxiety is just anxiety. ADHD is in that category, too. Some kids can't sit down and concentrate without medication. I know people get pissed when parents give their kids meds, but some kids really do need it and are "normal" when they are taking the meds. Your kid probably has a genetic tendency, unless you repeatedly forgot a kid at the mall or left the baby seat on top of the car a few times...

It was only once.

You're right though. I've never heard of an EBD program.

[sally]

This rewards further investing because more investing means more monthly income for them while teaching concepts like making money your friend, growing money, seeing yourself as an owner, and developing your own income streams instead of depending upon bosses being seen as your only option.

Self-reliance and entrepreneurship are admirable teachings. However, at what age did you begin to educate your children regarding philanthropy?

Around 7 years old for all of those concepts, in some shape or form, on one level or another.

What Frank is trying to say is that he owns a mob front deli where his kids work on the weekends and give all his fucking mortadella to the bums in the back.

[Middle Finger]

This rewards further investing because more investing means more monthly income for them while teaching concepts like making money your friend, growing money, seeing yourself as an owner, and developing your own income streams instead of depending upon bosses being seen as your only option.

Self-reliance and entrepreneurship are admirable teachings. However, at what age did you begin to educate your children regarding philanthropy?

Around 7 years old for all of those concepts, in some shape or form, on one level or another.

What Frank is trying to say is that he owns a mob front deli where his kids work on the weekends and give all his fucking mortadella to the bums in the back.

That sounds pretty fucking good if you ask me ...

[Cracker]

Great thread. Personally, as someone who takes responsibility for my kids in every way, I get sickened by the lack of standards by some parents. I have my own set of books, standards, and activities that are required in my house without regard to what is being taught in school.

But all in all it has Mocks Legend seal of approval.

Cracker seal of approval, too.

MFer, do you care to tell us which financial books for kids you recommend? I assume they will pick up decent financial habits because I'm not a complete tard, but I can get behind some additional targeted learning.

I'm not as stringent at home as MF is, but I admire his efforts (and resuls). Mine learned practical things because I have to do everything myself so they had to help. We also make sure to travel at least a few times a year so they have exposure to different things. I can answer 99% of the questions they have off the top of my head, which is an underrated skill. Kids don't talk shit to smart parents. I imagine they are saving their bile for my second childhood. Until then, I am the undisputed champ. If your kids are smarter than you are, you fucked up. You can't regain that advantage. If they are smarter than you are when they are grown, you won.

There is no getting away with being a dumbass at our house. I will ride you like a lame pony at the fair if you show any signs of mental defect.

[Sterling]

I will ride you like a lame pony at the fair if you show any signs of mental defect.

A trusted half-breed friend reminds her charges: "If you are going to ride the pony, always put a blanket on it." I'm sure some international Mock nutfuck will somehow think this is a pedo post.

[IMaDick]

everyone knows.

[Midwest Spy]

everyone knows i'm an idiot.

There. Fixed it for you.

[IMaDick]

everyone knows i'm an idiot.

There. Fixed it for you.

everyone knows i'm an idiot

I'm sure you got it right.

[Middle Finger]

Cracker, the two books in my possession are Neale S. Godfrey's "Ultimate Kids' Money Book," which they have all read, and then they will hit Adriane G. Berg's "The Totally Awesome Money Book For Kids." These are largely reinforcement/reading skill enhancement opportunities as I actually created a game a while back to teach them the fun of building up. I feel these books are a bit high in reading level for an 8 year old but they seem fine for 10+.

As for them picking up decent financial habits, don't count on it. The pressure to spend, consume, and think short-term is truly immense and (statistically) unless their skills, practice, habits, and mindset are shifted with clear purpose the odds of them becoming financial sheep are very good.

[Maggot]

I truly wish I had only two books...........I'm sick of building these shelves. Every month ..........maaaaaaaggot we need more shelves!.....Good Lord! .......Avast! Chum buckets!!!!

[cladking]

The tards had special schools and didn't sit in the same room with the "regular" kids. THAT is the difference. Public schools have to deal with the dumbasses at the same time they are trying to educate the other kids. You can thank the parents of special education/emotionally fucked up kids for that.

Is this chick for real? I think we've found the missing link. I am so glad she or a loved one doesn't have a child with learning disabilities or serious problems. There are no words...

You are a fucking idiot. You don't have words because you are an idiot.

I don't have kids with emotional problems. I made sure.

If you read my post, I said learning disabilities CAN BE OVERCOME. You just automatically took the liberal retard point of view.

You ever worked with kids? You ever see a kid who can't read act out all day because he/she is embarrassed and doesn't want the class to actually do any work so they don't have to? You think it is wonderful they give all the kids the same test and expect the same result?

You are just an idiot. List some reasons why you think I am wrong. You don't have any, so you will have to actually think for a minute.

You don't know anything because you don't actually try to help anything. You sit at home and dream about how wonderful you are. You would think more people would like you because you are always willing to kiss an ass, but it doesn't work for some reason. I'm sure you resent people who liked for their honesty rather than their allegiance to the weak minded.

My child behaves and is smart as fuck. I don't want my child in the same room with fucked up kids who interrupt all day. I don't care if that makes your heart hurt, I want my child to succeed and be happy. You people don't have a right to screw my child's education so you can pretend your child is just like mine. You should have read a ton of books to your kids and stimulated them intellectually and made sure you can help them with their homework instead of telling them how wonderful they were for doing nothing well.

Pretending isn't education, it is just another excuse to be less than you should be.

The hell of it is that if you twist these kids arms and demand they act rightthey almost all will. You coddle them and tell them they're weak and "different" and they will grow up to be weak and different. All kids need their damn little feelings hurt when they screw up whether it's a rare event or all the time.

There should be no tolerance for disruptive influences and this is one of the many root problems in education. We are teaching them how to get along and get by without any feelings getting hurt while no one gets a damn education. Slap the silly little ninnies once or twice until they figure out how to adapt to school instead of having the schools adapt to the lowest common denominator.

If they can't learn get them the hell out. If the schools can't teach fire the god damned school boards but do it NOW. Don't wait till we've lost another few million kids to incompetency and mediocrity.