Stand Your Ground

[Jimbone]

Not that it really matters, but... the memorial fund that is set up for the victim's family has a website, and on the front page is a picture of him looking bad ass while holding a beer.

Probably not the best optic given the circumstances of the shooting.

[Lady Cop]

Jury got it right.

A Houston jury convicted a man Wednesday of murdering his neighbor during a confrontation outside the neighbor's home two years ago, rejecting his claim that he was within his rights to fatally shoot the man under Texas' version of a stand-your-ground law.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faces up to life in prison for the 2010 killing of Kelly Danaher.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1xmnh9FZg



Rodriguez





Danaher

[username]

Good riddance, asshole.

[username]

I remember LC posting that she thought (and perhaps it was widely felt in the Florida LE community) that the Stand Your Ground Law was an invitation for trouble. Here's another example. Your thoughts? Personally, I think it's nuking futs! It's one thing to defend your castle but this shit is just crazy...and I don't see any major differences with regards to this case and the Trayvon Martin shooting (except George ended up with a bump on his head...asshole).

ATLANTA — The fatal shooting of a Florida teenager who was listening to loud music in a car a week ago has drawn comparisons to the Trayvon Martin case, but the differences are significant.

Unlike the Martin case, several people witnessed this shooting and there was no scuffle before 17-year-old Jordan Davis was shot to death. And notably, the man accused of firing into the car was arrested a day later.

Michael David Dunn is charged with murder and attempted murder in the Nov. 23 shooting at a Jacksonville, Fla., gas station. The 45-year-old Dunn parked beside the sport utility vehicle occupied by Davis and three other young men and told them to turn the music down, police said. Dunn exchanged words with Davis, who was in the back seat, and started firing. He later told police he felt threatened. His attorney has said Dunn saw a gun and shot in self-defense, perhaps laying the ground work for a case under Florida's "stand your ground" law.

Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30...17444.html

[Midwest Spy]

I have no problem with what happened in the Trayvon Martin/GZ case.

This, on the other hand, is different.

[Sphincter Cop]

I love how the media loves to parallel stories that are not related, and this is nothing like the GZ case at all. The criminal matter is a homicide in my opinion, but that’s based on the article you have posted and not having all the facts. I cannot see a clear defense to this defendants actions.

As for the “stand your ground” premise; it was born out of the original and constitutionally approved castle doctrine (the right to defend your home). The law itself (SYG) is spelled out as an affirmative defense and when properly applied is an amazing tool for any defense attorney and even prosecutors. People have to be mindful that they have exhausted every avenue in providing themselves some sort of retreat first, but if it is proven they could not or did; they will likely not be prosecuted for protecting themselves or their home. I would employ the same tactics if my life, or that of a loved one who was about to be seriously threatened with extreme bodily harm due to a criminal act.

[Duchess]

It's a crying shame that we can't just lob grenades at those we don't want around.

[Eat Shit And Die]

I think you should all just shoot the fuck out of each other.

[Sphincter Cop]

I think you should all just shoot the fuck out of each other.

We do that already, I think people should be more inventive.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

No word as to if there actually a gun in the car?
If there was then its possible to assume that the shooter did see the weapon and may have been threatned. If there was no gun found thats a whole nuther deal, the shooter initiated the contact.

[Maggot]

It is probably real easy to get someone set up and killed with that law kicking around.

[username]

People have to be mindful that they have exhausted every avenue in providing themselves some sort of retreat first, but if it is proven they could not or did; they will likely not be prosecuted for protecting themselves or their home.

I don't see that part being consistently applied.

Although, I remember reading about this (other) case some time ago but I didn't know (until now) that this guy had been convicted. Good.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/20136...d-in-trial

[Donovan]

I think you should all just shoot the fuck out of each other.

If God wanted us to do that he wouldn't have invented brown people and third-world-countries.

[HairOfTheDog]

Dunn claims that he thought he saw a gun in the car and therefore he felt threatened. Not surprising; virtually impossible to disprove what another person claims to have "thought" they saw lying in a car.

However, imo it doesn't matter whether Dunn's lying about that or not in this case (and I think he is). He did not initially claim that he thought one of the boys pulled or aimed a gun at him (though his lawyer is now trying to spin something to that effect). He couldn't. It wouldn't make sense since witnesses could dispute the possibility or validity of that claim (never mind the fact that there's no gun to be found).

I think that Dunn is straight up lying. He didn't call the police even after he shot 8 or 9 times at the unarmed boys, confined in a car, who were committing no crime. He fled the scene without contacting police because he knew what he did was unjustified, imo. Now, his lawyer is claiming that Dunn didn't think anyone had been shot when he fled the scene (sure thing). Even if that were true, why wouldn't Dunn have called police on a car full of what he perceived to be thugs running around aiming a shotgun at people? Bullshit, imo. I think Dunn shot because he was annoyed, pissed, and/or irrationally afraid of a car full of black boys playing loud music.

snipped:
On the night of the shooting however, Dunn heard on the local news station that the shooting had been fatal. Despite this fact he fled the city, driving 159 miles to his home in Brevard County and was arrested the Saturday following the shooting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28...07287.html

Nothing in this story supports a claim of self-defense. I hope that Dunn and his lawyers aren't able to successfully exploit the stand-your-ground defense. Dunn's guilty of murder, imo.

RIP Jordan Davis.

[username]

It is probably real easy to get someone set up and killed with that law kicking around.

Exactly!!!

[Jimbone]

Dunn is done. He straight up murdered someone.

This is very different than the Zimmerman case.

[username]

Zimmerman didn't make every effort to retreat IMO. Quite the opposite.

[Jimbone]

Umm, user... stand your ground means you don't have to make an effort to retreat.

You're so pretty sometimes!

[username]

Umm, user... stand your ground means you don't have to make an effort to retreat.

You're so pretty sometimes!

I was referring to SC's post, grommet.

People have to be mindful that they have exhausted every avenue in providing themselves some sort of retreat first, but if it is proven they could not or did; they will likely not be prosecuted for protecting themselves or their home.

Still, Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well and since Zimmerman was pursuing him, he could have perceived HE was in imminent danger. It's a fucked up law IMO.

[Duchess]

I don't like George.